Jaipur Dreams

#41 gujjubania

Your ignorance about Jammu&Kashmir is as profound as your lack of humanity and aggressive intolerance towards others. Don`t waste our time with your crude ethnic insults, nauseating and ignorant rants about indians/muslims/hindus whatever. They are boring, repitive and waste of my time.

Why don;t you get together with Urstruly and form a haters group? You areboth at the same level and could keep each other happy with your ``outputs``.

#33, Kaurassach:
****``. read my post on the Mahatir topic disucssion #15. ``****

In #15 of this thread I do not find your statement. Besidws your wholesale prejudicial statement about the South Asians is myopic and meaningless and does not shed any light on the real problems. I do not know where you are from but it shows you in the light of a westerner who is out there to denigrate the entire population of South Asia.

#38 and 41, Gujjubania:
You seem to be trying to score a point over me by praising India and its progress. Do you know that I am an Indian Hindu? Who is criticizing you for opposing anti-Indians?
You misunderstood and misquoted my #24. My statement there:
``There are legitimate grounds for a secession. Let us not be childish about it. Now do not infer from this that there is any legitimate ground for the current secessionists in Kashmir today. ``
means that any population group reserves the right of secession but this is not currently valid for Kashmir because we have not shown the secession to be desire of majority let alone the vast majority. No doubt some want that but that is due to the encouragement from Pakistan.

As for Kashmiri Pandits, those who can not defend themselves and are willing to turn tail and run do not deserve the land they live on. They should have organized the armed resistance against their Islamic oppressors. If that is true.

****``Well,,who the hell are you to decide whats Hindu or un-Hindu ? The great thing about Hinduism is that There Are No Rules. If anything the Bhagwat Gita preaches ACTION and DUTY. Not a word of Gandhian non-violence. That is a Christian thing. Not Hindu. ``****

This statement places you squarely in the agents of Modi. I am a Hindu, I know what Hinduism is and unlike your anarchist views on Hinduism, I know that there are rules of conduct with decency. You are definitely maligning Hinduism. Gita teaches you right action not dacoity and exploitation of minorities as you seem to imply.

Of course you can not dare to be aginst Azim or Kalam they are the ones that feed you.

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...unkil inquirer!
in hindsight do you now accept that my assumption about gujjubaniya is correct...?

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This article brought back many memories for me. I belong to the generation called Midnight Children or those born on the eve of Partition of the sub continent. Zia Ahmed should know this Hilal Ahmed Khairi and yours truly were both born in 1946 and migrated to Pakistan with our parents just after Partition. My life long dream was realised when I travelled to India in 1999. It was like going back in time My genaration has no memories of Pre partition India just the stories we heard from our parents and other elders of the family. I travelled to Delhi, Meerut my birth place, and Sardhana. It was an educating experience. I did not find any bitterness or hatred anywhere It was like being in a place I know very well . It was a thrill to go back to the house I was born in that is Aftab Manzil my Grandfathers house in Meerut believe my Zia it was a Mansion! Even some of the old people who worked for my family and their off spring were so very glad to see me somebody they had never seen in their lives I was just a ghost from their past but the display of love and affection was truly amazing and I was invited to their homes and entertained lavishly All of them are Hindus but their attitude and behaviour was totally different from what I had heard I mean the Horror stories we heard about the atrocities committed by the Hindus during Partition. All the time I kept wondering how could such nice decent gentle people do all that? the answer is simple Intolerance is the greates of all vices and religious intolerance can turn men into beasts. Visiting Sardhana was memorable. to stand before the statue of my earliest known ancestor and gaze in wonder at the chiselled features belive me I did find an an uncanny resemblance to my own grandfather. Well that is another story! Keep writing Zia I just stumbled onto your article by accident.Good Luck!
Tariq Aqil

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Thankyou, Mr. Ahmed,
Bahut din baad kuch aisa padhne mila that touched the heart and also made sense.
Come visiting anytime...........................................

``So, Messrs. Musharraf and Vajpayee and others of your kind, listen up. I am tired of the bellicosity. I am tired of the rhetoric. Kashmir doesn`t run in my blood. It is not my jugular vein or inseparable part. I am tired of barbaric jihadis and freedom fighters and army jawans and lines-of-control and Siachens and grand slams. My India is a slightly portly, bespectacled man of charming disposition who calls me beta (son) and means it. I want to take the ferry to Bombay and meet the woman who grew up next door to my father and never tires of forwarding him nauseating emails from self-help gurus about God and peace and love and spirituality. I want to take the train to Rajasthan and see Dada Abba`s house in Jaipur. I want to fly to Delhi and visit all the friends that I admire and work with, to say namaste to their mothers and not feel weird. These are my Jaipur dreams. ``


...AMEN...

Hi again Zia . . .

1) Jaipur would be decent enough to visit, ofcourse there would be more signs of development and it is also a tourist trap supreme so it helps if you behave & dress like a native. That should take you a day, two max, from what I can make out.

2) Baraut is another of the Western U.P. towns which are currently slowly going off the map as far as anything useful is concerned. Don`t think too much about it, my advice. Sorry, but that`s the truth.

For the rest who are about to start the usual f*&$ing competition here on the standard subjects, my take on this article is that it does not go back to wistful re-unification nostalgia, because that is not going to be so easily achieved and the writer seems to know that.

What it does get across, however, is that if you want to go somewhere, then you live by the rules of that environment. If you come to India, for example, you will meet portly middle aged men with lots of paternal love in their hugs and who will stay away from discussions on religion and ummah.

As I have said and written before, come to India, come to my country, and try to merge into the scenery while you are here. India has been and will remain one of the safest places on this earth for people of all religions (aberrations aside, ofcourse).

I mean, maybe some of us slightly more westernised types are used to string quartets while tailgating at the ball game with caviar and foie gras . . . but still, if in India there are loud festivals and street food, we shouldn`t take offence, right?

Point I am making here is warts and all, visit us.

And at Jaipur, yes, the ``agents`` will always rip you off.

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#27, Kaurasach:
Your second paragraph shows your ignorance of the subcontinent. If you are from West you should have the humility to understand and atone for the wickedness of the political British.

Gujjubania is gonna get slammed. HAHAHA!!