Jaipur Dreams

#8 gujjubania

You are bigot, a hate-monger and a fool. In previous e-mails you have told us of your admiration for Narendra Modi and how ``natural`` it is that murder of innocent pilgrims at Godhra should be followed by murder of innocent people in Ahmedabad.

A person who says such a thing is at the same level as a jihadi supporter. Justifying murder of innocent people FOR ANY REASON, as you have done, is truly a despicable thing. Jihadi supporters find the reason for murder within islam, you find it in the nauseating illogic of the VHP. There is no difference between the two. They are both sides of the same coin of intolerance, hatred and bestiality.

#1 by veeresh
Hi Veeresh - the phantom nostalgia of us second-generationers can be quite poignant :)
The only close Partition casualty that I’m aware of in the family is Amreeka-wali-phuppo’s husband. An egregious family legend holds that - sick of married life - he faked his own death and lived out a happy life in Macondo.

#5 by temporal, #12 by anil
Thanks for the compliments, guys.

#8 by gujjubania
Dear gujjubania: Surprise, surprise, “our” soldiers are called jawans too!

#11 by Inquirer
Thanks – I thought zia was a particularly abstruse Urdu word!

#14 by Mantolives
Dear YLH: it wasn’t my intent to peddle a unification pipe dream.

#17 by ijaz_gul
Dear Ijaz: Thank you for the history lesson. I have no intention of “undoing history” but I really am sick of the ideological drivel.

#22 by yantric
Dear Yantric: I am not trying to change history here – I’d just like to visit Jaipur. And a small town near Meerut called Baraut. Don’t think Mr. Jinnah or Abbu can help out there. Oh and I think he left Jaipur because Dada Abba mandated it so!

#25 by Maharana
Thanks – I just might take you up on the offer!

#27 by kaurasach
Courage friend, whatever happened to Gramsci’s optimism of the will?

Dear Hindus

Please let this man see your country without lynching him and following him with maltov cocktails, ok. be nice to him. I am telling ya.

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Iinquirer:

Thank you. I think people misunderstand your words. You should clarify better.

``You Indian Muslim!!!! ``

??? Hain? If anything I am a Pakistani Hindu ;)

Zia,

You are always welcome to jaipur. I hope you get to see not just jaipur but also udaipur, jodhpur and jaiselmer. These are truly some of the most beautiful cities i`ve seen in the world. Don`t let your spirits sink reading hatefilled posts.

Adios

#13, Mantolives: You seem to have an obsession. I have never recommended absorption of Pakistan into India. I have always only said that the divisionist policies of Pakistan need to be abandoned BY PAKISTAN. As sometime back I had suggested to you, may be, that Pakistan should invite the Hindus back and back that invitation by declaration of secular governance for Pakistan. Revert to Jinnah`s view. Materialize his first speech to Pakistan parliament.
Upon your suggestion I read Amir`s article and I suggest you follow it. I have no problem with it.

#15, Stuka: Welcome! Long time no see!! You are ideal!!! You Indian Muslim!!!!
Hey, where did you see the ``Python Hug?`` I have never said the Pakistan should be absorbed in India. What do you say?

Gujjubania:
You are consciously or unconsciously an agent of the divisionists. It is people like you who give Hindus a bad name.
While I agree with you that Kashmir is an integral part of India, you have to remember that Gulab Singh had merely bought the land of Kashmir from the British. Therefore, even though under the partition legalism he had the right to decide the fate of Kashmir it does not mean that the aspirations of the vast majority can be suppressed/ignored. It is people like you who fall into the trap of stating that Kashmiris have to be subjugated even at the cost of chronic war. There are legitimate grounds for a secession. Let us not be childish about it. Now do not infer from this that there is any legitimate ground for the current secessionists in Kashmir today.

Your callousness in repudiating the feelings of Zia because he is Pakistani is doubly obnoxious. You do seem to be prejudiced against Muslims. You should remember that this intolerance is looked down upon in India and is totally un-Hindu. IT IS THE PREVENTION OF THIS INTOLERANCE CULTIVATED UNDER NEHRU WHICH IS LARGELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STABILITY OF INDIA. Bereft of this Hindu trait we will also fall in the sad mess that Pakistan currently is in.

Khamkhwa: Please do not lower the level of conversation.

Zia

Why are u blaming Musharaff and Vajpayee ? The persons that you should blame should be Jinnah, the entire Pre partition Umaah and your Father. Why did your father leave Jaipur ? Was he being discriminated or harassed ? Did you ever ask him about his reasons for leaving Jaipur ? If he left it in mid sixties, he should have realized that the schism between Indians and Pakistanis was going to be deep and last for a long time. By the way Jaipur is the most beautiful old city in India - and the level of culture and politeness is very high.

BTW my parents left Lahore and I have heard such nostalgic and long reminisces about that city. However, I have no desire whatsoever to visit it althought I have been invited a few times. I feel that except for a few buildings, Lahore of my parents days has vanished. I guess since your father chose to leave Jaipur and my parents were forced to leave the city, we have different pespectives about our ancestral towns.

Khamkhwa: A Thakur does not talk. A Baniya does not fight. Hope you get the drift..

Khamkhwa: A Thakur does not talk. A Baniya does not fight. Hope you get the drift..

Ijaz Gul:

``I too would love to visit India and see the richness of culture in Lucknow and Jaipur, but only when this war of mutual hate and suspicion is over. ``

Your thinking is confused. The hate and suspicion is there between the two countries, agreed. But, WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH VISITNG JAIPUS AS A TOURIST?

Will Pakistan be lessened if I am allowed in as a tourist to come, roam around, take a few pics and go back? I am a hawk on Indo-Pak issues vis a vis Kashmir etc. I am sure you are too. Fine, we can both be hawkish in our drawing room conversations, which is where our hawkishness ends. Allowing each other to visit, even the Soviets and the Americans did that. Since when did tourism dissolve nations? The Gujjubanias do not have to travel, you and I and the author can have the option too if we desire.

gujjubaniya....
for a baniya you sure are talking like a thakur...abay tou kissi thakur ki najayaz aulaad to nahin hai...:)

Zia sahib, lets put the record straight. The seperate electorate was the demand of muslim minorities of India living particularly in UP and states like Jaipur etc. The political impetus was provided by the Bengali muslims led by Sir Nawab Salimullah. Once the electorates were done these very people conspired to remove him from the Presidentship of the all India Muslim League. When the division took place, these people moved over to Pakistan with no political constituency, but they dominated the bureacracy. These very people forced Jinnah to declare urdu as the national language that estranged the Bengalis for the second time. They deported Jinnah to a God forsaken place like Ziarat, devoid of any medical facilities where I would hate to live even if i had a cold. Imagine a high altitude place for a person who suffers from asthma and tuberclosis. It was the same elite that failed to give Pakistan a constitution because in a democratic setup, they had no constituency. Now many like you want to undo history. Do you remember the cost of 1947. This one will be even higher.

If you feel a virtual citizen of India thats your choice. This psuedo intellectualism has already done enough harm to Pakistan. Radcliffe gave us a state in the form of geography but where is the nation. So far we have not been able to make a cognitive construct that binds the people as a nation and the educated elites are the biggest hurdle. Yes, I too would love to visit India and see the richness of culture in Lucknow and Jaipur, but only when this war of mutual hate and suspicion is over.

Lets start loving our country and project it as best we can. Muslim freedom fighters pinch because the wave in the world is now anti Islamic. See what the hindus keep doing to others in India. Comments such as yours only give a chance to cynics like #9 gujjubania to pass slanted comments and that too at your cost.

Its time we move out of self pity and self humilation and light our own candle. I tell you Pakistan would be a much better place. It already is.
Ijaz

PS: When I talk of `Independence` and `sovereignty` ... I am ofcourse referring to what is left of it anyway.. I atleast am not ready to part with my identity as a Pakistani, as much as I am a peacenik and ... as much as I admire the Indians and their achievements.

Zia Ahmed has written a beautiful article... not only is it reflective of his feelings of amity and friendship, but also shows that he is completely at home and secure in his identity as a Pakistani... therefore he is not threatened by peace as some of our more Islamically charged compatriots are.

This article is a good reason to increase people to people contacts. No more and no less.

We have our Gujjubanias, one look at whom dissipates the desire for Pakistanis to be too close to Iindia. We also have the Inquirers who want to hold Pakistan in a hug like that of a Python. Well meaning or not, there are tangible issues of our recognizing a tangible Pakistani identity distinct from an Indian one.

That, however, should not take away from allowing tourism and normal relations which the rest of the civilized world enjoys.