Karamatullah K Ghori November 5, 2003
#1 Posted by saminshah on November 5, 2003 11:17:23 am
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_442701,00300006.htm
#3 Posted by arjun_m on November 5, 2003 12:34:01 pm
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#4 Posted by kaurasach on November 5, 2003 12:34:01 pm
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#5 Posted by khotasikka on November 5, 2003 3:22:55 pm
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There was, equally, an element of comical inanity in the Indian offer to treat 20 Pakistani children free of cost in Indian hospitals. This was in extremely poor taste and betrayed a tendency to denigrate Pakistan even at the risk of looking silly. Pakistan is not a dirt poor African country to need a neighbour’s largesse to treat its sick children.
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That the EA Ministry has chosen to make this a brownie point scoring device is sad. I can assure you folks, however, that the sentiments for Baby Noor were genuine.
The entire problem with the CBM ``war`` is that they are attempting diplomacy through the media. Which is foolish. You want to talk then you must talk *to* the other party and not *at* the other party.
Chapree public hai yaar. Akkal ghas khane gayela hai.
There was, equally, an element of comical inanity in the Indian offer to treat 20 Pakistani children free of cost in Indian hospitals. This was in extremely poor taste and betrayed a tendency to denigrate Pakistan even at the risk of looking silly. Pakistan is not a dirt poor African country to need a neighbour’s largesse to treat its sick children.
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That the EA Ministry has chosen to make this a brownie point scoring device is sad. I can assure you folks, however, that the sentiments for Baby Noor were genuine.
The entire problem with the CBM ``war`` is that they are attempting diplomacy through the media. Which is foolish. You want to talk then you must talk *to* the other party and not *at* the other party.
Chapree public hai yaar. Akkal ghas khane gayela hai.
#6 Posted by gujjubania on November 5, 2003 5:37:56 pm
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#7 Posted by ijaz_gul on November 5, 2003 8:25:04 pm
This is not Cricket. Well cricket as we know is no more a game of gentlemen and high integrity. There is sledging and God knows what else. But still it remains a sport.
Politics is a mean game of power and aggrandissement. Those who play it believe in the `law of the fishes`. There are no permanent friends or foes, only permanent interests. So let us not expect morality and crib about the lack of it as the topic suggests.
Indo Pakistan relations are a constant which deprives the people of South Asia the true benefits of socio economic development. Though Pakistan`s case on Kashmir has been consistent since 1947, India`s position has changed and hardened contineously. So Pakistan should not expect any dramatics for the better. Periferal gestures like the Bus Yatra, Fishermen and Medical Treatment would continue. No more. However, Pakistan will continue to be blamed even for a mosquitoe bite.
Somehow war seems an inevitable end and George Fernandes and Co want to put all those latest acquired munitions and surveillance systems to purposeful use. When countries have superior weapon systems, there is always a tendency to use them. The final outcome would not be to India`s advantage; for that matter to nobody`s advantage. Thats for sure.
On the internal front, hardliners like the extremists who keep popping up on these interacts like unwanted ads are doing a good job of hate for Pakistan. Please keep it up #4 and #6.
Politics is a mean game of power and aggrandissement. Those who play it believe in the `law of the fishes`. There are no permanent friends or foes, only permanent interests. So let us not expect morality and crib about the lack of it as the topic suggests.
Indo Pakistan relations are a constant which deprives the people of South Asia the true benefits of socio economic development. Though Pakistan`s case on Kashmir has been consistent since 1947, India`s position has changed and hardened contineously. So Pakistan should not expect any dramatics for the better. Periferal gestures like the Bus Yatra, Fishermen and Medical Treatment would continue. No more. However, Pakistan will continue to be blamed even for a mosquitoe bite.
Somehow war seems an inevitable end and George Fernandes and Co want to put all those latest acquired munitions and surveillance systems to purposeful use. When countries have superior weapon systems, there is always a tendency to use them. The final outcome would not be to India`s advantage; for that matter to nobody`s advantage. Thats for sure.
On the internal front, hardliners like the extremists who keep popping up on these interacts like unwanted ads are doing a good job of hate for Pakistan. Please keep it up #4 and #6.
#8 Posted by khotasikka on November 5, 2003 8:25:05 pm
gujjubania
## Majority of India agrees with Georgie on that one.
Yaar, why do you speak for everyone - in that respect you are just like the Sanghi chaddis.
You represent nobody. Not the hindus. Not the banias. Perhaps not even gujjus. So speak for yourself and yourself alone, alright ?
Its like these VHP and Bajrang idiots come up and say ``the hindus`` want a temple - ``the hindus`` want this and that. Aray, who died and made you king anyway?
I don`t want a confrontationist attitude with anyone. You have to understand how Pakistanis think. India should have a policy that gives Pakistan the illusion of getting something while actually conceding nothing. And wait for them to digest the thought that they will never get Kashmir. The more you push them around and shout hawkish nonsense, the worser the situation gets. But Pravin Togadia followers will not understand all this. They want to organize an army of nanga trishul waving sadhus to run across the LOC and ``take`` PoK.
India ka vaat lagarele tum log.
## Majority of India agrees with Georgie on that one.
Yaar, why do you speak for everyone - in that respect you are just like the Sanghi chaddis.
You represent nobody. Not the hindus. Not the banias. Perhaps not even gujjus. So speak for yourself and yourself alone, alright ?
Its like these VHP and Bajrang idiots come up and say ``the hindus`` want a temple - ``the hindus`` want this and that. Aray, who died and made you king anyway?
I don`t want a confrontationist attitude with anyone. You have to understand how Pakistanis think. India should have a policy that gives Pakistan the illusion of getting something while actually conceding nothing. And wait for them to digest the thought that they will never get Kashmir. The more you push them around and shout hawkish nonsense, the worser the situation gets. But Pravin Togadia followers will not understand all this. They want to organize an army of nanga trishul waving sadhus to run across the LOC and ``take`` PoK.
India ka vaat lagarele tum log.
#9 Posted by Ras on November 5, 2003 8:47:49 pm
Cricket is known to be a game played by ``Gentlemen``.
We remain in search of this nearly extinct species today
not only in South Asia but on a global scale.
Ras
#10 Posted by arjun_m on November 6, 2003 6:55:09 am
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#11 Posted by harish_hyd on November 6, 2003 6:55:09 am
#7 by ijaz_gul on November 5, 2003 8:25pm PT
[However, Pakistan will continue to be blamed even for a mosquitoe bite.]
Spoken like a typical Paki. The whole world knows Pakistan sponsors the Kashmir insurgency and yet you have the gall to say India blames Pakistan unreasonably? Why else does every Tom, Dick and Harry visiting Islamabad regularly reiterate the need for Pakiland to do more to curb infiltration into Indian Kashmir while Paki faces wear forced smiles through red faces?
[The final outcome would not be to India`s advantage; for that matter to nobody`s advantage. Thats for sure.]
Not if India pre-empts the nuclear Paki strike and pounds Pakiland into a position where it is unable to retaliate. Didn`t George Fernandes say sometime back Pakistan would be wiped off the world map?
[On the internal front, hardliners like the extremists who keep popping up on these interacts like unwanted ads are doing a good job of hate for Pakistan. Please keep it up #4 and #6.]
Coming from a Paki, it sounds funny to say the least.
[However, Pakistan will continue to be blamed even for a mosquitoe bite.]
Spoken like a typical Paki. The whole world knows Pakistan sponsors the Kashmir insurgency and yet you have the gall to say India blames Pakistan unreasonably? Why else does every Tom, Dick and Harry visiting Islamabad regularly reiterate the need for Pakiland to do more to curb infiltration into Indian Kashmir while Paki faces wear forced smiles through red faces?
[The final outcome would not be to India`s advantage; for that matter to nobody`s advantage. Thats for sure.]
Not if India pre-empts the nuclear Paki strike and pounds Pakiland into a position where it is unable to retaliate. Didn`t George Fernandes say sometime back Pakistan would be wiped off the world map?
[On the internal front, hardliners like the extremists who keep popping up on these interacts like unwanted ads are doing a good job of hate for Pakistan. Please keep it up #4 and #6.]
Coming from a Paki, it sounds funny to say the least.
#12 Posted by RationalFaith on November 6, 2003 6:55:10 am
Another brilliant article by Mr. Ijaz Gul
http://www.dawn.com/2003/11/06/op.htm#2
http://www.dawn.com/2003/11/06/op.htm#2
#13 Posted by jay on November 6, 2003 6:55:32 am
Yet another pak stereotype,
The author has put the offer from pakistan to treat the injured from kashmir at par with the indian offer. This shows the pak.org brian washing the author suffers. This would have been at par with the indian offer if india had said that hindus or ahmadias will be treated. The offer was unconditional, and surprisingly it was not the the children of hindu bonded labourers, affectionately called ``hari`` in pakistan who came to bangalore.
The old rehetoric of nuclear armed rivals is no more used because the yanks have taken the bomb. It is rather puzzling that the nuclear armed rivals who fought 3 wars has gone out of the pak vocabulary.
The author has put the offer from pakistan to treat the injured from kashmir at par with the indian offer. This shows the pak.org brian washing the author suffers. This would have been at par with the indian offer if india had said that hindus or ahmadias will be treated. The offer was unconditional, and surprisingly it was not the the children of hindu bonded labourers, affectionately called ``hari`` in pakistan who came to bangalore.
The old rehetoric of nuclear armed rivals is no more used because the yanks have taken the bomb. It is rather puzzling that the nuclear armed rivals who fought 3 wars has gone out of the pak vocabulary.
#14 Posted by RationalFaith on November 6, 2003 9:13:41 am
``The whole world knows Pakistan sponsors the Kashmir insurgency and yet you have the gall to say India blames Pakistan unreasonably?``
Ijaz_Gul is probably another nickname for AhmedZai. The difference is that under the Ahmedzai nick he makes no claims to any education or intelligence. As Ijaz_Gul he claims to rub shoulders with Putin, Bush, and Osama bin Laden every day :)
Yet, you will rarely find a person as ill-informed. Tragically, he also claims to be an Islamic dhimmi -that too, a Christian :(
Ijaz_Gul is probably another nickname for AhmedZai. The difference is that under the Ahmedzai nick he makes no claims to any education or intelligence. As Ijaz_Gul he claims to rub shoulders with Putin, Bush, and Osama bin Laden every day :)
Yet, you will rarely find a person as ill-informed. Tragically, he also claims to be an Islamic dhimmi -that too, a Christian :(
#15 Posted by ijaz_gul on November 6, 2003 11:08:47 am
RationalFaith, your faith does not seem to have instilled any rationality in you. I put you in the same league as #6 and #11. How petty minded to attack religious beliefs. You feel so offended because your entire coloured image of Pakistan falls apart because of my beliefs.
``Oh Lord, forgive them for they do not know what they do``.
I am disappointed.
``Oh Lord, forgive them for they do not know what they do``.
I am disappointed.
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