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Soysauce ji

All I am asking you to do is to explain your statement that ``hindu tolerance of sati was (the same as) hindu tolerance of wholesale massacre of muslims because the latter was simply a reaction to the burning of the yatris``

I am asking you to share with us the logic you used to arrive at that conclusion. If you used no logic, then you would be making a ridiculous and bigotted statement simply in order to have something to say against Hindus. I hope that is not so. Now, please explain to us why you are not a raving bigot who makes ridiculous and far-fetched leaps of reason merely to criticize Hindus.

Thank you in advance for your explanation.

Re:plats8

No, the men, women and children killed in Gujarat were not murderous thugs from northwest. But neither were they exclusively Muslim or Hindu. They were people who were caught in a vicious cycle started by murderous thugs from northwest. And it is the same murderous thugs from northwest who by their crocodile tears are trying to use those horrible happenings for their murderous ends. The thugs always had a one track mind that drove them to try to destroy the kaffirs, and they are at it right now. The only difference is that Indians have changed, and they could see through these murderous designs (including a large number of muslim Indians).

#224
It`s not clear to me what you`re asking. You apparently have a set of assumptions that you`re asking me to justify.
Are you saying hindu tolerance of sati was different from hindu tolerance of wholesale massacre of muslims because the latter was simply a reaction to the burning of the yatris?
Are you saying sati doesn`t enter into it because muslims did it too? What?
If you`re going to butt into an argument, at least clarify what it is that you`re asking. I think I have made my equation clear. Since you disagree with it, why don`t you spell out for me why instead of putting questions to me. I have no idea what your position is on these things and have no intention of going round and round. Maybe you should start with an intro or something. At least i know where Harimau the bigot stands.

#225
Unkalji, maybe you have a point that the burning of the train had been planned - how far ahead, who knows. What we do know is that the assault on the muslims had been in the works for some time and the state machinery colluded with the thugs. Very different scenario altogether.
I have no intention of going thru your bazillion posts. But you did say that the hindu reaction was to be expected. You also keep bringing up how horrid it was that the yatris were burned with no similar sympathy for the ordinary muslims who were hunted and killed. Since i know that you don`t think that hindus are murderous thugs, it seems to me that you think hindu reaction was justified. QED

#226
Did I say it excuses the Gujarat riots?

You didn`t have. Context is everything. You certainly implied that it does.
It`s like Dubya saying we had to invade iraq because we were attacked on 9/11. The connection isn`t made explicitly but it certainly is implied.

Ref plats8 #221

[Harimau #210,

Would you care to explain why the act of hoodlums in Madras in 1986 excuses the
orchestrated killing of Muslims in Gujarat in 2002 ? I fail to see it.]

Did I say it excuses the Gujarat riots?

I am asking that idiot Soysauce why he has different scales for different people.

Ref Sudalaimuthu #223

[#220

Hmm, i wonder if you`re just another alias for Unkal Harimau.]

If so, you wouldn`t have been addressed as Soysauce. That is a dead giveaway.

[Before i go on, would it be correct to assume that you see what happened in Gujarat (``riots``) as a spontaneous reaction to the burning of the yatris?]

Should AnOrdinaryHindu assume that what happened at Godhra was a spontaneous reaction to the singing of bhajans? Should he assume that it is normal for a mob of 2000 to gather within 5 minutes with cans of gasoline, stop the train and burn a carriage when bhajans are sung? Should we assume that The Tea Vendor`s Daughter, who was allegedly kidnapped by the Hindu pilgrims, escaped from a carriage locked from outside because she received the special blessings of Allah while that same Allah blocked Lord Ram, the false god that the benighted Hindus were worshipping, from providing a similar escape for the Hindus?

If these pilgrims had followed Father Big Man`s advice about not worshipping the Aryan god Ram and were singing bhajans in praise of Ravana the Dravidian, do you think they would have escaped? Do you think all Indians should heap abuse on Hinduism`s gods while kissing the butt of mullahs and priests, like Doctor Artist Leader does?

Soysauce

You made an argument. If it is possible for you, you should defend that argument. If you can`t, or have to stretch analogies to make your case, say so. The only thing I ask is that you be ready to judge other communities using your same standards, using your same kind of logic, and using your same kind of assumptions.

#220
Will you make your association of Sati with Gujrat riots by Hindus after the burning down of train compartments full of Hindu men, women, and children clear to us, please?

Hmm, i wonder if you`re just another alias for Unkal Harimau.
Before i go on, would it be correct to assume that you see what happened in Gujarat (``riots``) as a spontaneous reaction to the burning of the yatris?

Satish #216,

``At least now we will probably not be expected to roll over and play dead
when the hordes of murderous thugs come from north west.``

I see. So the Gujarati men, women and children killed and burnt alive were
all murderous thugs from the north west ? And the next time such thugs
invade, should we expect Gujarati businessmen to be at the frontlines ?

Harimau #210,

Would you care to explain why the act of hoodlums in Madras in 1986 excuses the
orchestrated killing of Muslims in Gujarat in 2002 ? I fail to see it.

Soysauce

``Going by that gujarat is a rotten place indeed. If you read the history of Sati you`ll find that ordinary hindus accepted it as a fact of life. I bring this up to argue that the acceptance of murderous behavior on the part of hindus as somehow limited in scope and situation can be dangerous.``

Will you make your association of Sati with Gujrat riots by Hindus after the burning down of train compartments full of Hindu men, women, and children clear to us, please?

#217
Why don`t you phrase your question more clearly? What innuendo, what wishy-washy logic? Judge other communities, why not? Do you believe only a hindu should criticize hindus & so on?

Ref AnOrdinaryHindu #217

[re: soysauce # 213

My dear friend, you are relying on the tactic of innuendo and wishy-washy logic. Would you care to explain your reasoning, and would you be willing to judge other communities using this same logic?]

Maasanamuthu aka Soysauce is the representative of the Dravidian School of Logic as propounded by Father Big Man and The Great Intellectual. So don`t expect anything better from him.

re: soysauce # 213

``If you read the history of Sati you`ll find that ordinary hindus accepted it as a fact of life. I bring this up to argue that the acceptance of murderous behavior on the part of hindus as somehow limited in scope and situation can be dangerous.``

My dear friend, you are relying on the tactic of innuendo and wishy-washy logic. Would you care to explain your reasoning, and would you be willing to judge other communities using this same logic?

Re: Soysauce

Yes, Hindus are getting as bad as that, and thank God (or whatever suits you) for that. At least now we will probably not be expected to roll over and play dead when the hordes of murderous thugs come from north west.

Thanks for your caring concern for the Hindu society, and also happy to know you are reading the History of Suttee, one of the burning economic topics of present day land of the pure! (And to think that some people are still surprise why the land of the pure is in the self-destruct mode!!)