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Actually, Ii am sorry I posted that last comeback. Gijjubania, feel free to go on and on about how great you, Hindus and Gujratis are and how useless Indian Muslims, Pakistanis and even Indian Punjabis are.

Pretty soon you`ll be talking to yourself.

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gujjubania #159 We panjabis may LOOK mentally retarded but i like to think that we are not totally stupid, at least not all of us. (this was meant to be a joke incidentally).

While you are correct in saying that panjabis call everybody in deccan a ``madrassi`` ignoring internal differences, that is human nature that you yourself display as well in the very same post: you refer to all panjabis as if we are a monolithic entity (as many non-panjabis do), when in fact panjabis to vary widely as individuals and even in terms of cultural and other groups. So, i dont think this is a legitimate complaint.

you say ``Punjabis always put up a facade of sophistication , but underneath it all is a very debased mind possibly because of frustration/inadequecy``. I must admit to having been all of the above at times: frustrated, feeling inadequate, and having a debased mind (particularly when seeing an attractive female) and pretending to be sophisticated (like when i put on my suit and tie and pretend to be a gracious gentleman, or gen-tul-man as we unsophisticated panjabis say). However, that just makes us human. One would have to be a god (and the only god we have on chowk is Romair) to never feel frustrated, feel inadequate, or have debased thoughts.

You say you call yourself gujjubani because panjabis despise both these. Why are you letting your concern for what panjabis think (or pakistanis think) define your entire presence on chowk? I am sure you are a nice fellow and smart too (and as i said to stuka, i am assuming this until i get evidence to the contrary and so far i dont know you well enough since you are new to chowk). Why the hell do you care what panjabis think of you?

Finally, as for the GNP of India, that would be very good if the GNP of India rises of course. This can only translate into good for pakistan. Since the example set by India is the best defense we pakistanis have against the anti-democratic forces in pakistan (military or religious). and in a number of other ways as well. $1000 seemed to be too high a number though, and i checked the 2002 figures from the world bank and those are $2450 vs $1940 (PPP method) or $480 vs. $410. The important thing is that both indian and pakistan remain almost rock bottom in the list. India is 145th and Pakistan 158th in the PPP method, and both are still considered ``poor countries`` (not even middle income, like Mexico). So there is a long way to go, and there are too many poor people in both countries who have more serious problems to worry about than getting into these pointless gloating and insulting matches.

Punjabis and Others

It’s truly sad that while rest of the enlightened world, after bitter experiences, is getting away from the curse of ethnicity, if Chowk can be used as a gauge, South Asia with its heavy weight of inferiority complex is emphasizing ethnicity more than ever.

Overemphasis on ethnicity is a cancer that destroys the social fabric of a nation. Perhaps South Asia is doomed after all, if not with its nuclear bombs or Hindu-Muslim hatred, then certainly with its emphasis on ethnicity. Divide and destroy. One can see its victims, but its beneficiaries? Does one see it? Wonder who that would be...

ahmedmadani#150:
I recently read about the murder of an Indian engineer in Kabul. I wonder if it had anything to do with what you wrote about. BTW do you have an email address where you can be contacted?
Regards.

tahmed#157:
Beware of generalisations based on small sample size!
I agree with you wrt bengalis and your observations, I believe, are based on a larger sample. About panjabis, I think that we may not be emotional but we do tend to be passionate and sentimental fools. The feelings of love and hatred are easily aroused in us, but they dont last long. Nor are we very good at hiding those feelings. In Canada, I find ourselves more similar to French Canadians with their jois de vivre than with the Anglos.

Gujju Bania:

As usual your garbage is based on superficial knowledge and blatantly untrue.

Punjabis never dominated politics. It is the Cow Belt (UP, Bihar) that dominated and still does dominate politics in independent India.

The Central Bureaucracy too is dominated by Cow Belt ethnicity. The Armed Forces is not dominated by anyone in terms of absolute majority. The Punjabis did have a disproportionate number in the officer cadre, that too because post partition the Armed Forces provided a career for those who had lost property, business etc but belonged to educated families.

All of your generalizations, be it about ethincity or religion, do not stand to even basic scrutiny. Your posts reveal you for what you are, a shallow, immature kid. Your self delusions about capitalism and the free market do not consider even the basic rule of exponential prosperity which is based on a win win scenario.

`Having been educated, worked and lived in the states for 10 years, I can safely say that your inspiration is not the American model but something akin to Nazi Germany which was superficially pro-freemarket but was inherently contradictary in its support of free enterprise but its suppression of individual liberty.

If the rightists of todays India, and I was a rightist when it was unfashionable to be one in India, are represented by the likes of you, then all Pakistan has to do is sit back and wait and not waste any money on weapons. People like you will wreak havoc enough.

#165 D. Mitter.... my email address is aminapk@yahoo.com. Obviously you know my home minister is woman named Amina.

Khusra-Bania

~~Punjabis always put up a facade of sophistication , but underneath it all is a very debased mind possibly because of frustration/inadequecy. So Stuka`s penis talk is typically Punjabi~~

You are a neo-nazi who gets aroused at the thought of barbecuing muslims and turning them into bars of soap. You are a degenerate fascist. Go jump in front of a train you degenerate fascist.

stuka No156

~~Hhmm, u are wasting your time with Gujjubania. As a young Indian albeit one with a small penis, he has too many complexities that give rise to irrational paranoia~~

Are you being serious stuka? You really believe this khusra has got a penis?

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gujjubania #170 you write `` but I dont give a damn what Pakis and other anti-India folks say or think about me``

very good. that is what i wanted to hear (at least the part about your not giving a damn what pakis think of you). now i hope you will walk the talk and change your nick so your entire presence on chowk is not defined by what you think pakis think of you (as i discussed in my previous post).

the part about about pakis by definition being ``anti-india`` (whatever that means) as you continue to believe despite my earlier explanation (i.e. socio-economic progress in india is bound to have positive direct and indirect affects on pakistan, and so is good for pakistan as well), that is fine. i dont expect you to change what you have obviously been learnt while growing up in india on the basis of one chowk post. nor are your beliefs of any particular interest to me except to pass some idle time on chowk.

gujjubania:
``Never said I represented Hindutva. Never was a religious sort.``
...neither was Veer Savarkar, the agnostic god worshipped by the hindutavavadis!
As regards my remark about your hating Muslims, didn`t you say that you regard Modi as your hero? And is he not the guy who faciliated the killings of the very citizens he was constitutionally bound to protect just because they were Muslims? And since you put so high a value on making money, you should know that many of those killed and plundered could also justifiably be called ``Muslim banias``.

godot #164 generalizations and stereotypes do indeed quickly fall apart when one meets with people from other communities. as i said, this was a theory that i put together to explain this weird phenomenon that on chowk indian panjabis tend to be more friendly than, and not as boastful as, people from south india. i dont know how else to explain it.

certainly in real life i have known many south indians as well as north indians and they have almost invariably been very nice and friendly people. maybe the folks showing up on chowk represent a frustrated lot perhaps - but then why this asymmetry?

i also reject the obvious explanation that south indians tend to be nicer on the surface and their true hatreds come out on chowk: i would have seen through that if that was the case with the ``real`` people i worked with. they were genuinely good, professional people and proved their sincerity over the years.

the whole thing is a puzzlement, as the king of siam said.

dost mittar #165 your warning concerning small samples is well taken, and certainly chowk is a tiny, tiny sample (also distorted by the nature of the medium, which makes communication seem more hostile than intended - a phenomenom that was actually studied by psychologists soon after email became popular several years ago). still, after three years on chowk i must say this has been a consistent observation.

re:#171 by tahmed32
tahmed sahib,
I, like many other Chowkies, am very disgusted with the likes of Gujjubania. If this is progress, then India is better off without such progress. What India seems to be producing of late is people like Gujjubania who just see the $ sign and nothing more. They have no class, no culture. I bet this guy Gujjubania will not hesitate to sell his mother or wife or sister for some extra money.
I have had personal experience with at least one such person (also a Gujarati; just a coincidence?) for whom i worked initially soon after my fellowship. I was so disgusted with that guy (his work ethics sucked big time) that i left that job within a few months of joining.
People like Gujjubania are becoming a liability. If they do not temper their hatred of other communities and keep indulging in muslim-bashing, the rest of India may have to show them how to behave. And it will not be pleasant for them.
Sridhar

gujju bhai,

Take it EZ.

Sorry to nitpick, but PunjabiZulu is ONLY half punjabi. The other half is Zulu...sorry, kashmiri. Kaurasach is related to PanjabiZulu and he too is half-and-half. They are both nephews of Ahmadzai...who, BTW, is half punjabi and half pathan!

ahmadmadani: Thanks for the reply. Greatly appreciated.