A Gory Tale of Lies, Greed and Deception

SuperBania

You will have to do better than that, making a few references to faggots and stuff. It is so unoriginal.

Now go and count your money you snivelling cowardly little fascist thug.

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re:#56 by kaurasach
Why are you so angry? Did any bania or hindu sodomise you? Chill off with a beer, will you?
Sridhar

the article definitely highlight a very relevant issue...but lets not get carrie away over here...true the current military regime has suqandered the nations wealth but by being so anti military basically negates your purpose.....by being so biased against them you are hurting your own credibility.
You shouldnt forget that military comes from our own society...it doesnt come from mars does it ? ....One brother would be in the army ...the other would be in any civilian profession ( like in my case )....to suggest that one is thoroughy corrupt and evil and the other an innocent soul being exploited is an overstatement.......The problem lies with the society as a whole...not just the military....i refuse to believe that my brother as an army officer becomes evil while i remain innocent as a civilian....the same social pressures are acting upon him as me.
Furthermore some of the points you made are in quite bad taste.......true zia ul haq was the worst leader we ve had so far.....but the fact that he died on an official tour and duty does classify him as a martyr (atleast officially ).....and same with the 56 others people in the plane with him. In my own point of view we are no one to judge who is a martyr and who aint......NOR R U...

Apart from that dont take the individual excesses of a certain class of generals of the army and use them to classify the whole military as being defunct. As to your referal to the generals grabbing land...well it is upto us and the civil society around us to highlight the issue.........which we somehow always dont do at the national level....

cheers
raza

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Since this website is infested with hate-Pakistani extremist Indians, at least I have the comfort that my posts will not be classified as run of the mill stuff.

I posted some of my observations on this article yesterday. Here are some other observations:

This article is emotionally written. Many of her arguments are childish. For example, she talks about Army`s depot tragedy as if it was brought upon the common people by army wallas on purpose. First, a conspiracy theory that actually makes sense and is widely believed to be true is that the post-Afghan war, Americans wanted to ensure that no extra high quality arms are left inside Pakistan to fall into the hands of war lords. Hence, the incident to destroy them all.

Second, ammo dump disasters are not uncommon. Read about Some Ammo Dump Disasters of the last 100 years By Nowamagbe Omoigui [SOUTH CAROLINA, U.S.A.] at :

http://www.gamji.com/NEWS1130.htm

Blasts in army depots in India:

Read an interesting account from BBC here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1304432.stm

Although the Indian army has also hijacked India as my previous posts illustrate, the Indians do not castigate their army or Government for arms shopping. Instead, they are all sold on the idea to make India a global economic and military player. Indians have ensured that they do not criticise their military purchases, but work extra hard on economic fronts to supplement the national vision.

Unfortunately, as Tauheed pointed out in lighter vein, Pakistanis waste their time in writing about things that are beyond their control. Military cannot be sent back to barracks by writing. You have to do it using practical means. Pakistanis should go back to their elected members in their own constituencies and advise them to refrain from desk thumping and instead to make democratic system stronger. Musharraf will not live for ever.

kaurasach

You forgot the most important line about 1 momin = 10 kafirs. And that the dirty banias worship the unmentionables.

[The value of this land had been evaluated at Rs. 25,000 per square yard for commercial use and Rs. 15,000 per square yard for residential purposes.]

...where is this figure coming from. a residential plot of 1000 sq yd @15,000 per square yard would mean Rs.15,000,000.00(Rs. Fifteen million) for an undeveloped plot. I can get you a 1000 sq. yd plot in phase ll of defense housing society(oldest phase) for less than 10,000,000.00 (Rs. Ten million) fully developed and with all the utilities and in phase viii for half the amount. it is good to expose corruption, but with figures like this you lose your credibility.

#54 by Zakkk on November 11, 2003 5:57am PT
[I believe Punjabis have their own Nationalist Party]

Yes, I believe PML (N) is becoming more and more Panjabi nationalists party with the rise of Khawaja Asif (son of Khawaja Safdar), Ch. Anwar (son of Ch. Mohammad Ali, former Primeminister) and Ch. Ahsan Iqbal athough Javed Hashmi is not much a Panjabi nationalist. More and more former commies and leftists are becoming sympathetic to them with names like Aziz Uddin Ahmed, M. A. Niazi. PML (N) is cutting into PPP support in Panjabi literary and intellectual circles in cities. Only known secular/ liberal still fiercely against PML (N) is Najam Sethi of TFT who has personal reasons to hate PML (N). The reason is understandable.

The religious public is lined up behind MMA, the feudal and pirs are with military and PPP is dominating progressive, shias and liberals in addition to leftover feudals. For PML (N) to establish a contituency in this megapower politics, being centrist alone is not sufficient. They must have the credentials of strongest anti-establishment and proud of their cultural heritage to keep the support base in Panjabi cities. And it is working. Right now, it might be the strongest party in Panjabi cities and gaining support with sidelining of people like Raja Zafar ul Haque who was a useless leader with connections to military and Saudi Arabia.

The current leadership of PML (N) is youngest than any other party and these people will be around long time. Panjabi card is most useful for them at this stage with rumors of Panjabi military officers upset at mostly non-Panjabi promotions to general ranks during last 4 years. So on one side they are creating support within military and on the other gaining support in cities. Unlike PPP, if PML (N) comes to power again, the Sharifs will not have the kind of dominance over the party they once had or Benazir still has over PPP.

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Nighat and others: apologise for this intrusion...also i do not have a link so regrettably i will have to paste the entire letter here...

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Date: Nov 9, 2003.

To,
Friends believing in principles of democracy and human rights!

Dear Friends,

You must be aware of the arrest of Acting President and Parliamentary leader of PML-N and ARD’s President Makhdoom Javed Hashmi, who was picked up in a Gestapo-like operation around midnight on Wednesday October 29, 2003.

Being his daughter, I have been knocking in vain at government doors to know my father’s whereabouts. The only indication of his whereabouts, was given by the Interior Minister Faisal Saleh who told daily Nawa-i-Waqt the next day that “security agencies” had taken him, which means that he is in the custody of military agencies. I suspect that he is being physically tortured, because even after ten days of his arrest (when I’m writing this letter) none of his relatives or lawyers has been allowed their legal and constitutional right to visit him.

I want to draw your attention to the following facts in this respect:

· Makhdoom Javed Hashmi, in addition to being the Acting President and Parliamentary leader of PML-N, is the President of a 16-party Alliance for Restoration of Democracy(ARD), and leads 78 opposition members in the National Assembly.
· According to the constitution, he could not be arrested without approval of the National Assembly Speaker.
· No warrant was shown at the time of his arrest.
· He was picked up from Parliament Lodges that are part of the Parliament, and as such his arrest was contempt of the Parliament.
· He was not produced before a magistrate, as required by law, and a police officer mysteriously announced that a court had remanded my father to police custody for five days. He refused to identify the court.
· Later, on Nov 4, government lawyers, declining to produce him in person, told the High Court that he had been further remanded to police custody for nine days. He refused to produce remand order, or name of the magistrate who was supposed to have signed it.
· The Police are reluctant to provide a copy of the report detailing charges against him.
· The FIR was not even produced before the High Court. According to the Interior Minister’s claim, my father has been booked under five different laws related to sedition, abetting mutiny, defamation, fraud and rumour mongering. If convicted, he can be sentenced to an approximate total of 65 years jail.
· Speaker National Assembly is required by law to order production of a detained member in the house for participation in proceedings, but he has refused to do so despite a request by opposition parliamentarians, which is breach of privilege of Javed Hashmi.
· It is being wrongly propagated by official spokesmen, including the Interior Minister and Prime Minister Jamali that Makhdoom Javed Hashmi has written a letter to incite the armed forces to mutiny.
· Fact is that Javed Hashmi did not write any letter. He only stated at a news Conference, that several parliamentarians received an anonymous letter addressed
to the “National Leadership” on behalf of military officers, urging the Parliamentarians to work for restoration of democracy, and demand formation of a judicial commission to probe into objective and consequences of the Kargil operation of May 1999, as well as events of October 12, 1999. He showed the letter to the reporters.
· The government authorities, rather the military agencies, have made a fake case against my father to punish him for his undaunted campaign for the end of military rule and restoration of the constitution and supremacy of Parliament.
· The demands made in the letter are the same that opposition have been publicly making for the past four years for the end of military rule and restoration of democracy under the consensus 1973 Constitution of the country.

The facts mentioned above clearly show that Javed Hashmi’s basic rights as a human being and constitutional rights as a citizen of Pakistan have been abused and his privileges as a Member and opposition leader of the Parliament have been breached.

I, therefore seek your help and support, in individual or organizational capacity:
· to raise a voice against the illegal detention of Makhdoom Javed Hashmi;
· in urging the Government to respect the basic human and constitutional rights of Javed Hashmi and to release him immediately, and;
· in the meanwhile, produce him before a court of law and allow his relatives and lawyers to visit him.

I must point out here that my father, aside from recently having undergone a major surgery, is a patient of asthma and needs constant medical care. I am afraid that his jailors, whoever they are, are not providing him necessary medicines and services of a physician. If anything happens which endangers his life, the responsibility would lie on the civilian and military leaders of the present government.

I request you to please take up this matter urgently at all possible levels in whatever capacity you can, and save not only the life of my father, but also the future of democracy in this country. I hope the civil society comprising of vocal advocates of human rights and democracy, would not let me down.

With hopes of solidarity,
Maimoona Hashmi
Member National Assembly of Pakistan
F-106 Parliament Lodges, Islamabad.
Phone# 051-9222804.

lets face it - it is not the army that is at fault here. It is the people of pakistan that are fault here.

(a) they are bunch of apathetic people who can be fooled by the army everyime

(b) they do not understand that they have to stand up for their true rights (not imagined ones)

(c) they are always overjoyed when the army takes over - little realising that the politicians are a reflection of themselves

(d) too much of religion has pickled their intellect - at one level. Mind you they are very adept and can out perform others in many jobs. This intellectual pickling causes them to over moralise when there is nothing to moralise about.

(e) (d) often leads them to be a bunch of whinging and whinning hypocrites.

And yet the people are a bunch of good people with their hearts one their sleeves. That is a contradiction which needs to be fathomed.

Some comments: I believe Punjabis have their own Nationalist Party..it`s called the PML (N) remember the election slogan jaag Punjabi jaag in `88? And recently how anti Army people like Zafar ul Haq and Hashmi have become?

Secondly using Indian papers and Sehbai`s articles as examples of gross corruption in Pakistan`s Army is a more than a bit funny, Sehbai (although I am sympathetic to his personal plight) has a major axe to grind against Mushharraf. He has also published articles which almost everyone agrees are gross exaggerations. Indian papers, like rediff are not exactly noted for their balanced view towards Pakistan :) , what is interesting again, is that almost all cases cited in the rediff article occurred during civilian governments. Power and fincnacial corruption are a problem in Pakistan..and again Armed forces corruption is the hardest to manage because of it`s insulated nature..but as I have said before an Army is drawn from society..

Re : Article
I have said this before ….. most countries have an army Pakistani Army has a nation!


Faruk

Super-Bania

Put a can in it you pathetic obnoxious little thug. That is all you are, a pathetic cowardly common little thug. Apologise to kaurasch you pathetic cowardly common little thug. I bet you are a puny little thing too, arent you? Counting your bania money like a snivelling little thug.

After the Major General and Police constable episode in Lahore, Army has completely lost its respect in my eyes except those people who are ready to sacrifice their life for this land while gaurding our frontiers and those who serve army without any selfish motives.

Imran Hafeez
Islamabad