Nighat Yasmeen November 10, 2003
#209 Posted by hozeifa on December 31, 2003 7:57:45 am
Neo-feudalism
Editorial
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/Dec-2003/30/EDITOR/edi3.asp
IN answer to a Question in the Senate, the federal government has revealed that 485 residential plots in various cities of all four provinces were allotted to Army officers between October 1999 and July 2003. Though the plots were allotted to officers of all ranks from full general down to lieutenant, no less than 103 plots of 800 sq yds (plus or minus) were allotted to 45 general officers (major-generals and above). Of these plots, 46 were allotted in Karachi, 36 in Lahore. These plots were not allotted at a subsidy; they were given away almost free. Technically leased, the terms were token: Rs 5 per sq yd premium, with an annual lease of Rs 0.50 per sq yd. This works out to Rs 4000 for a plot just over one and a half kanals, with an annual rent of Rs 80. Even in a depressed real estate market, the worth would be at least Rs 6 million. The plots were allotted according to a policy framed in 1978, by the Zia military regime, but that is no excuse for what is now an institutionalised abuse.
First of all, the principle of giving land, which is a non-replenishable resource, for services is a bad one. In the classic feudalism of medieval Europe or the Mughals, land was given in exchange for military service, and was resumable by the Crown. Here we seem to have a neo-feudalism, in which land is given as a reward for military service. What happens when the land runs out? How will future generals be rewarded for meritorious service? The classic feudalism ran into trouble on this count, for the need to give fiefs or mansabs created a pressure for unbridled expansion, leading ultimately to overstretch and the collapse of the system (in the Mughal case, of the empire itself). The link of the military with land, whether it be allotment of agricultural land, or of urban plots both commercial and residential, whether embroilment in land disputes such as the Okara military farms, or whether the cutting edge of the real estate market, creates the kind of bad impression which echoed in the National Assembly during Saturday’s debate on the 17th Amendment.
Simply put, the military must not allow itself to be seen as an institution which protects and promotes its members’ acquiring real estate interests cheaply. The 1978 policy, among others, should be quietly shelved.
Editorial
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/Dec-2003/30/EDITOR/edi3.asp
IN answer to a Question in the Senate, the federal government has revealed that 485 residential plots in various cities of all four provinces were allotted to Army officers between October 1999 and July 2003. Though the plots were allotted to officers of all ranks from full general down to lieutenant, no less than 103 plots of 800 sq yds (plus or minus) were allotted to 45 general officers (major-generals and above). Of these plots, 46 were allotted in Karachi, 36 in Lahore. These plots were not allotted at a subsidy; they were given away almost free. Technically leased, the terms were token: Rs 5 per sq yd premium, with an annual lease of Rs 0.50 per sq yd. This works out to Rs 4000 for a plot just over one and a half kanals, with an annual rent of Rs 80. Even in a depressed real estate market, the worth would be at least Rs 6 million. The plots were allotted according to a policy framed in 1978, by the Zia military regime, but that is no excuse for what is now an institutionalised abuse.
First of all, the principle of giving land, which is a non-replenishable resource, for services is a bad one. In the classic feudalism of medieval Europe or the Mughals, land was given in exchange for military service, and was resumable by the Crown. Here we seem to have a neo-feudalism, in which land is given as a reward for military service. What happens when the land runs out? How will future generals be rewarded for meritorious service? The classic feudalism ran into trouble on this count, for the need to give fiefs or mansabs created a pressure for unbridled expansion, leading ultimately to overstretch and the collapse of the system (in the Mughal case, of the empire itself). The link of the military with land, whether it be allotment of agricultural land, or of urban plots both commercial and residential, whether embroilment in land disputes such as the Okara military farms, or whether the cutting edge of the real estate market, creates the kind of bad impression which echoed in the National Assembly during Saturday’s debate on the 17th Amendment.
Simply put, the military must not allow itself to be seen as an institution which protects and promotes its members’ acquiring real estate interests cheaply. The 1978 policy, among others, should be quietly shelved.
#208 Posted by hozeifa on December 26, 2003 11:45:13 pm
The growing divide
Mr Irfan Hussein in his column ``The growing divide`` (December 23) has rightly pointed out the growing resentment against army officers acquiring more and more power, wealth, plots of land, etc. However, the problem is not merely due to the greed of a few (or many) individuals but the widely accepted, systematic and official creation of a privileged class.
It can be argued that those serving in the armed forces should receive greater rewards since they risk their lives in defending the country. Perhaps one should just look at the facts: we have not fought a formal war for 33 years and yet we continue to support five soldiers versus only two policemen per 1,000 citizens. Could a well-equipped and trained police force also not defend the country in the unlikely event of war?
As far as laying down one`s life is concerned, the total number of men and officers killed in all three previous wars put together is less than the number of policemen killed in Karachi alone over the last 10 years.
The problem is also not merely of officers grabbing plots of land; the official system of salaries and rewards is intrinsically corrupt. The inspector-general of the Punjab police commanding more men than three corps put together gets a monthly uniform allowance of Rs250, whilst an army second lieutenant is paid Rs1,250 per month as kit allowance (in addition to ``disturbance pay`` for being married, a batman allowance, etc.)
Armed forces personnel are also apparently taxed differently to us mere mortals and receive rent-free quarters, entertainment allowance, foreign allowance, ration allowance, pension, deferred pay, disturbance pay, conservancy allowance and leave encashment preparatory to retirement free of tax, according to an English daily`s report (March 23).
Mr Hussein`s article in the light of these facts puts to shame the widely held belief that better pay and conditions lead to less greed and corruption. The exact opposite seems to be the case with the highest paid group of public servants wanting more and more.
However, the obvious and ruthless unfairness and inequality in our society extends far beyond the army alone. The same issue of Dawn reports an over 20 per cent increase in the salaries of higher court judges from July 2003, following a 40 per increase in January 2002.
I applaud Mr Hussein`s efforts in pointing out the gross injustice and staggering inequalities in our society, but perhaps he should not confine his ire just to the groups with which he is not associated.
N. AHMED
Kidderminster, UK
http://www.dawn.com/2003/12/27/letted.htm#2
Ref:
The growing divide
By Irfan Husain
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/mazdak/20031220.htm
Mr Irfan Hussein in his column ``The growing divide`` (December 23) has rightly pointed out the growing resentment against army officers acquiring more and more power, wealth, plots of land, etc. However, the problem is not merely due to the greed of a few (or many) individuals but the widely accepted, systematic and official creation of a privileged class.
It can be argued that those serving in the armed forces should receive greater rewards since they risk their lives in defending the country. Perhaps one should just look at the facts: we have not fought a formal war for 33 years and yet we continue to support five soldiers versus only two policemen per 1,000 citizens. Could a well-equipped and trained police force also not defend the country in the unlikely event of war?
As far as laying down one`s life is concerned, the total number of men and officers killed in all three previous wars put together is less than the number of policemen killed in Karachi alone over the last 10 years.
The problem is also not merely of officers grabbing plots of land; the official system of salaries and rewards is intrinsically corrupt. The inspector-general of the Punjab police commanding more men than three corps put together gets a monthly uniform allowance of Rs250, whilst an army second lieutenant is paid Rs1,250 per month as kit allowance (in addition to ``disturbance pay`` for being married, a batman allowance, etc.)
Armed forces personnel are also apparently taxed differently to us mere mortals and receive rent-free quarters, entertainment allowance, foreign allowance, ration allowance, pension, deferred pay, disturbance pay, conservancy allowance and leave encashment preparatory to retirement free of tax, according to an English daily`s report (March 23).
Mr Hussein`s article in the light of these facts puts to shame the widely held belief that better pay and conditions lead to less greed and corruption. The exact opposite seems to be the case with the highest paid group of public servants wanting more and more.
However, the obvious and ruthless unfairness and inequality in our society extends far beyond the army alone. The same issue of Dawn reports an over 20 per cent increase in the salaries of higher court judges from July 2003, following a 40 per increase in January 2002.
I applaud Mr Hussein`s efforts in pointing out the gross injustice and staggering inequalities in our society, but perhaps he should not confine his ire just to the groups with which he is not associated.
N. AHMED
Kidderminster, UK
http://www.dawn.com/2003/12/27/letted.htm#2
Ref:
The growing divide
By Irfan Husain
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/mazdak/20031220.htm
#207 Posted by Subedar on December 19, 2003 6:12:15 am
Queries about ex-generals’ assets rejected
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/dec2003-daily/19-12-2003/main/main19.htm
ISLAMABAD: The Senate Secretariat has scrapped opposition senators’ questions seeking details of assets of late Gen Ziaul Haq, Gen Akhtar Abdur Rehman during the period 1977-1985, arguing they were of secret nature and could not be disclosed to public.
Likewise, another question regarding allotment of a plot in the Police Foundation, Islamabad to Gen Pervez Musharraf has not been accepted on the grounds that no question could be put against the president of Pakistan.
This is not for the first time that such questions particularly raised by Senator Farhatullah Babar have been turned down by the chairman Senate on the grounds of secrecy. Earlier, Babar had asked the defence minister to state whether the practice of asset declaration by the army officers before the central officers record office (GHQ) was still continuing or has been discontinued.
If the practice was continuing, then assets of Gen Zia during 1977 when he imposed military rule and in 1985 when elections were held be declared. Likewise, the government was also asked to give similar details about the assets of Gen Akthar Abdur Rehman during the same years. The defence minister was also asked to tell whether General Pervez Musharraf had obtained a plot for himself from the Police Foundation.
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/dec2003-daily/19-12-2003/main/main19.htm
ISLAMABAD: The Senate Secretariat has scrapped opposition senators’ questions seeking details of assets of late Gen Ziaul Haq, Gen Akhtar Abdur Rehman during the period 1977-1985, arguing they were of secret nature and could not be disclosed to public.
Likewise, another question regarding allotment of a plot in the Police Foundation, Islamabad to Gen Pervez Musharraf has not been accepted on the grounds that no question could be put against the president of Pakistan.
This is not for the first time that such questions particularly raised by Senator Farhatullah Babar have been turned down by the chairman Senate on the grounds of secrecy. Earlier, Babar had asked the defence minister to state whether the practice of asset declaration by the army officers before the central officers record office (GHQ) was still continuing or has been discontinued.
If the practice was continuing, then assets of Gen Zia during 1977 when he imposed military rule and in 1985 when elections were held be declared. Likewise, the government was also asked to give similar details about the assets of Gen Akthar Abdur Rehman during the same years. The defence minister was also asked to tell whether General Pervez Musharraf had obtained a plot for himself from the Police Foundation.
#206 Posted by waqartalib on December 6, 2003 12:30:55 pm
Confessions of a failed jihadi
By Syed Saleem Shahzad
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EL06Df01.html
KARACHI - He was always considered extraordinary. He was an excellent pupil, a good cricketer, a natural student leader, and a popular teacher in the medical career that he chose to pursue.
Then he decided on a radical change in direction. He would become a jihadi, undergo a six-month training program, and then die as a martyr in the Kashmir Valley.
On the journey toward the ultimate sacrifice of his life, though, his views underwent another radical change, and what had appeared as reality became an illusion as the bitter realization hit home of how cheap life is in the military games that Pakistan and India play.
...````You know, the military establishment is flourishing on our revenues. It has consumed our resources, and now it aims to consume the whole of our society in the name of jihad. My problem is, we spend so much of our national budgetary resources on our army, yet it sends young civilian lads to fight in the occupied valley [of Kashmir]. Why don`t they wage this `jihad` themselves, for which they get fat salaries and dozens of other benefits which a civilian cannot even dream of?``
and much more .....
validating this article to great extent.
By Syed Saleem Shahzad
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EL06Df01.html
KARACHI - He was always considered extraordinary. He was an excellent pupil, a good cricketer, a natural student leader, and a popular teacher in the medical career that he chose to pursue.
Then he decided on a radical change in direction. He would become a jihadi, undergo a six-month training program, and then die as a martyr in the Kashmir Valley.
On the journey toward the ultimate sacrifice of his life, though, his views underwent another radical change, and what had appeared as reality became an illusion as the bitter realization hit home of how cheap life is in the military games that Pakistan and India play.
...````You know, the military establishment is flourishing on our revenues. It has consumed our resources, and now it aims to consume the whole of our society in the name of jihad. My problem is, we spend so much of our national budgetary resources on our army, yet it sends young civilian lads to fight in the occupied valley [of Kashmir]. Why don`t they wage this `jihad` themselves, for which they get fat salaries and dozens of other benefits which a civilian cannot even dream of?``
and much more .....
validating this article to great extent.
#205 Posted by tahmed32 on November 19, 2003 9:29:30 am
bongdongs #204 i think you should have more confidence in your country. if your reference is to pakistan (where indeed allah, army and america are important), then you are oversimplifying the situation. given differences in circumstances (historic, ideological, quality of leadership), india may well have escaped certain bad effects of taking clear sides in the cold war that pakistan got stuck with (military dictators being the main one).
#204 Posted by bongdongs on November 18, 2003 11:03:12 pm
tahmed
``i dont think anyone thought less of germany or japan because they chose to live under the US umbrella in the 60`s``
Both Germany and Japan had a homogenous educated populace, a tradition of quality manufacturing. These things count for a lot in the economic progress of a country.
India is a poor, fractitous country, I dont think the results would have been the same. We might have ended us as a country where ``Ram, Army and America`` ran the country :-)
``i dont think anyone thought less of germany or japan because they chose to live under the US umbrella in the 60`s``
Both Germany and Japan had a homogenous educated populace, a tradition of quality manufacturing. These things count for a lot in the economic progress of a country.
India is a poor, fractitous country, I dont think the results would have been the same. We might have ended us as a country where ``Ram, Army and America`` ran the country :-)
#203 Posted by RationalFaith on November 18, 2003 8:40:58 pm
ijaz_gul # various
So the great strategic mind of Pakistani army is back offering everybody his brilliant theses.
If such people pass for `strategic` thinkers in Pakistan, enemies of Pakistan should send more Dinars to schools that educated him.
:)
So the great strategic mind of Pakistani army is back offering everybody his brilliant theses.
If such people pass for `strategic` thinkers in Pakistan, enemies of Pakistan should send more Dinars to schools that educated him.
:)
#202 Posted by tahmed32 on November 18, 2003 8:40:57 pm
bong dongs #200 i dont think anyone thought less of germany or japan because they chose to live under the US umbrella in the 60`s. they were in fact seen as great success stories at the time, with west germany being called the engine of growth for all of europe in the 60`s, and japan being seen as an economic giant by the end of that decade. UK was the sick man of europe at the time, and the brits used to wonder who won WWII. and certainly, the collapse of the soviet union shows that post war germany and japan had bet on the right system and the right superpower in the 1960`s.
so i wouldnt knock a policy of keeping a low profile politically and focussing on economic progress. after all, that is pretty much the policy india has adopted nowadays, having realized at great cost that nationalism and economic progress dont mix and money talks louder than nuclear weapons. now you just have to explain it to our militarists.
so i wouldnt knock a policy of keeping a low profile politically and focussing on economic progress. after all, that is pretty much the policy india has adopted nowadays, having realized at great cost that nationalism and economic progress dont mix and money talks louder than nuclear weapons. now you just have to explain it to our militarists.
#201 Posted by bongdongs on November 18, 2003 2:06:27 pm
Rightly or wrongly, non-alignment and total independence on strategic affairs have been corner-stones of Indian foreign policy (a ``never-again`` response to the colonial experience)
-With due respect Brazil, South Africa haven`t had to deal with a hostile nuclear armed neighbour occupying a few thousand square miles of your territory. Or another superpower backed neighbour packed to the gills with US made arms. I know that you dont think China was any threat to India after we were taught-a-lesson in `62, its just that we just learnt the ``lesson`` really well, there is no permanent ``bhai-chara`` in relationship between nations. Nehru and Menon`s ``hot air`` powered foreign policy was no match for the PLA`s plutonium backed one. Also Mao`s china was very different from Deng`s China. Upto `79 China was training Naga`s in Yunnan.
-Germay and Japan were firmly under the US nuclear umbrella. We could do the same and become yet another 3rd world country where the US state department sets your national policies. Something we could never accept.
So what option would you suggest India follow (lets imagine you are Nehru in `63)?
-With due respect Brazil, South Africa haven`t had to deal with a hostile nuclear armed neighbour occupying a few thousand square miles of your territory. Or another superpower backed neighbour packed to the gills with US made arms. I know that you dont think China was any threat to India after we were taught-a-lesson in `62, its just that we just learnt the ``lesson`` really well, there is no permanent ``bhai-chara`` in relationship between nations. Nehru and Menon`s ``hot air`` powered foreign policy was no match for the PLA`s plutonium backed one. Also Mao`s china was very different from Deng`s China. Upto `79 China was training Naga`s in Yunnan.
-Germay and Japan were firmly under the US nuclear umbrella. We could do the same and become yet another 3rd world country where the US state department sets your national policies. Something we could never accept.
So what option would you suggest India follow (lets imagine you are Nehru in `63)?
#200 Posted by bongdongs on November 18, 2003 2:06:27 pm
I cant even figure out ``harimau`` for that matter :-)
#199 Posted by tahmed32 on November 18, 2003 1:07:17 pm
bongdongs #196 i understand that there were other factors. as i have been saying in previous posts. my point though was that ALL these factors put together had more to do with national pride than with any real strategic thinking on the part of indian leaders. this includes the rationale provided by MS. arundhati (now i know the gender!). so my reading that article simply reinforces the point i was trying to make.
In fact, in the her writeup following the bjp explosions in 1998, arundhati did not refer to pakistan at all - but named a number of other countries (germany, japan, south africa, brazil) whom she refered to slightingly as ``nuclear power wannabes``!
and incidentally, on these ``other factors`` you referred me to arundhati, she obviously didnt know what she was talking about anyway: none of these countries could hardly be called ``nuclear wannabes`` today or in 1998. germany had of course raced to build the bomb to try and win WWII - and that at least was a rational reason. after WWII, both germany and japan have been strongly against nuclear weapons. and their non-nuclearization stems from their experience with the ravages of war, not from lack of technological capacity. Even brazil, which once had plans to build the bomb, had dropped them by 1998 given up the program in order to avoid an nuclear arms race with argentina. similarly, south africa under the apartheid regime had in fact built and secretly tested the bomb according to many reports. both these countries knew better than to introduce nuclear weapons in their continents - and they certainly had the expertise to nuclearize.
but i`ll be glad to give a ``friend of pakistan (even if unwittingly)`` medal to arundhati too, along with all the other deserving people from Bhabha to indira to advani to your current president. They have worked long and hard to ensure that india can never again threaten to overrun pakistan.
In fact, in the her writeup following the bjp explosions in 1998, arundhati did not refer to pakistan at all - but named a number of other countries (germany, japan, south africa, brazil) whom she refered to slightingly as ``nuclear power wannabes``!
and incidentally, on these ``other factors`` you referred me to arundhati, she obviously didnt know what she was talking about anyway: none of these countries could hardly be called ``nuclear wannabes`` today or in 1998. germany had of course raced to build the bomb to try and win WWII - and that at least was a rational reason. after WWII, both germany and japan have been strongly against nuclear weapons. and their non-nuclearization stems from their experience with the ravages of war, not from lack of technological capacity. Even brazil, which once had plans to build the bomb, had dropped them by 1998 given up the program in order to avoid an nuclear arms race with argentina. similarly, south africa under the apartheid regime had in fact built and secretly tested the bomb according to many reports. both these countries knew better than to introduce nuclear weapons in their continents - and they certainly had the expertise to nuclearize.
but i`ll be glad to give a ``friend of pakistan (even if unwittingly)`` medal to arundhati too, along with all the other deserving people from Bhabha to indira to advani to your current president. They have worked long and hard to ensure that india can never again threaten to overrun pakistan.
#198 Posted by harimau on November 18, 2003 1:07:16 pm
Ref bongdongs #197
[tahmed,
That is strange, I would never make a mistake in identifying the gender of a ``Fatima`` or a ``Mazhar`` but you (a person who is probably a well educated elite) tripped on a simple name such as ``Arundhati`` (and a famous one at that).]
OK bongs, how about Nusrat? What gender is that name? ;-)
[tahmed,
That is strange, I would never make a mistake in identifying the gender of a ``Fatima`` or a ``Mazhar`` but you (a person who is probably a well educated elite) tripped on a simple name such as ``Arundhati`` (and a famous one at that).]
OK bongs, how about Nusrat? What gender is that name? ;-)
#197 Posted by bongdongs on November 18, 2003 11:12:21 am
``arundhati ghosh and read one of his write-ups``
she ... not he :-)
The NPT/CTBT thing was to point out that there were other considerations in the `98 test.
she ... not he :-)
The NPT/CTBT thing was to point out that there were other considerations in the `98 test.
#196 Posted by bongdongs on November 18, 2003 11:12:21 am
tahmed,
That is strange, I would never make a mistake in identifying the gender of a ``Fatima`` or a ``Mazhar`` but you (a person who is probably a well educated elite) tripped on a simple name such as ``Arundhati`` (and a famous one at that).
the conclusions one can draw are interesting.
That is strange, I would never make a mistake in identifying the gender of a ``Fatima`` or a ``Mazhar`` but you (a person who is probably a well educated elite) tripped on a simple name such as ``Arundhati`` (and a famous one at that).
the conclusions one can draw are interesting.
#195 Posted by tahmed32 on November 18, 2003 9:01:17 am
bongdongs #194 I agree. There is a long line of Unsung Heroes of Pakistan (including Dr. Bhabha and Indira down to Advani and Kalam) who have fearlessly bolstered the defense of Pakistan. As I said, with enemies like these, we dont need friends. :-)
i took your suggestion, googled arundhati ghosh and read one of his write-ups on the subject (in the Telegraph) following the explosions (in May 1998). His basic argument is that if the existing (at the time) five nations can have the bomb, and unless and until they get rid of their bombs, they are in no position to call for india to join NPT and CTBT. That is fine, but of course does not address the issue of the impact on the balance of power with pakistan.
i took your suggestion, googled arundhati ghosh and read one of his write-ups on the subject (in the Telegraph) following the explosions (in May 1998). His basic argument is that if the existing (at the time) five nations can have the bomb, and unless and until they get rid of their bombs, they are in no position to call for india to join NPT and CTBT. That is fine, but of course does not address the issue of the impact on the balance of power with pakistan.
#194 Posted by bongdongs on November 17, 2003 9:06:30 pm
``and that is why i think pakistan should give the Nishan-i-Haider (our highest military award) to Advani and other strategic geniuses of the bjp for services (albeit involuntary)``
In that line of argument more appropriate recepients would be people like Bhabha, PK Iyengar, Chidambaram, Kalam, Indira Gandhi i.e people who actually contributed toward building the bomb and not ``johnny-come-lately`s`` like Advani.
On the other hand conducting the test in 98 of course is significantly associated with the BJP. But the bomb has been a factor in the Indo-Pak strategic calculus since the mid 80`s , the `98 tests were but another milestone (albeit significant) in this story.
The points I am trying to make are:
- that the building of the bomb has less to do with the BJP than what you believe.
- testing in `98 is but another event (albeit significant) in the Indo-Pak nuclear story.
- also you are totally ignoring the NPT/CTBT story, please read up on the indefinite NPT extension (`95?) and any of Arundhati Ghosh`s speeches on that issue.
(Yes, thats another Arundhati too, no less articulate than the other one!!)
In that line of argument more appropriate recepients would be people like Bhabha, PK Iyengar, Chidambaram, Kalam, Indira Gandhi i.e people who actually contributed toward building the bomb and not ``johnny-come-lately`s`` like Advani.
On the other hand conducting the test in 98 of course is significantly associated with the BJP. But the bomb has been a factor in the Indo-Pak strategic calculus since the mid 80`s , the `98 tests were but another milestone (albeit significant) in this story.
The points I am trying to make are:
- that the building of the bomb has less to do with the BJP than what you believe.
- testing in `98 is but another event (albeit significant) in the Indo-Pak nuclear story.
- also you are totally ignoring the NPT/CTBT story, please read up on the indefinite NPT extension (`95?) and any of Arundhati Ghosh`s speeches on that issue.
(Yes, thats another Arundhati too, no less articulate than the other one!!)
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