Outsourcing Torture

No paki on Chowk answered this to my satisfaction ..... If living in U.S of A is so painful for you guys, then why don`t you leave U.S of A ? Just curious... that`s all.

Romair,

`....The reason I moved is because I do not want my future generations to be exposed to an environment, which I think will come into existence, if another attack takes place against the USA. ...`

In spite of your prolific writings you are some what naive. As you said the environment came into existence because of the attack, otherwise USA was a good place for all. So the reason of the change is the attack on 9/11 and the same can happen in Canada. Your belief that it will not happen there has no foundation. If there was a logical thinking behind the jihadi acts the attack on WTC center would not have happened either. The jihadis are motivated by blind hate for non-Muslims and if there is an opportunity, Canada will be a legitimate target. Remember the French engineers killed in Karachi? They were helping the Pakistanis by building the subs. But that did not save them.

If people like you who wish to enjoy the opportunities offered by non-Muslim countries, you should come out with unqualified condemnation of these acts. If something prevents you from doing so, then you should not complain when you suffer the consequence of these acts.

rsridharji:

bhai aap nay abhi tuk koi article kyun nahiN likha yahaN per?...

khair..re#7:

...we never know where these nut cases will strike next...(and i hope they do not strike here...or anywhere else for that matter)...and if they do strike here am not sure what the response will be... surely there will be response and resentment... but canada is a very small power compared to the US...their...our response will be muted i tend to think...

..t

re:#7 by Urstruly
There is a price to pay for terrorism. Wonder how canadians will react if a tragedy similar to 9/11 get re-enacted over Candadian soil. Do you think Canadians will be as liberal in their attitude as they are today?
Sridhar

arjun #52:

i responded specifically to #49 where you mentioned the arrests in toronto in bold...as you are aware am not interested in put-downs or pissing matches...have no idea who the others you mentioned are...re: terrorism be it individual or state sponsored have expressed my views enough times already:)

rgds,

t

ps: and your comments on the second half of my post?

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arjun #49:

if you search for the truth ...the real truth not biased reports...you will find the pie in your face....

not one detainee has been charged with terrorism...in fact the third day after their detention the RCMP commissioner came on record saying those held have not been and are not a threat to canada in any way at all...

...also ...ironically...the local desi community launched Operation Threadbare...to get these detainees justice and to get them out of maximum security prison while their cases were heard...and some of the leading activists and members of this Operation Threadbare include indian born hindus and christians...and of course pakistanis...at the same time i am somewhat saddened that the larger pakistani community did almost nothing to protest the arrest and detention of these young men...

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on a related note...disagree with me or disagree with Romair all you want...but tell me... and here i include other chowkies too...what is is with calling him names?...
has he ever called any one of you any names?...then why singling him out calling him captain clueless, air marshall or whatever?...if you disagree make your point like he does...(but briefly please if you want to be read not as long winded as him) ;)

rgds,

t

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Dost Mittar ji . . . yes, I shall be in Delhi around the dates mentioned by you. You could email me on veeresh@chowk.com . . .

So that makes you a Canadian of Pakistani origin :) ... every day I get a new reason to be proud of Pakistan.

Manto:
``I was wondering... what you write for `Born in?` Pakistan, India or British India?``
All three are correct answers, though I chose to identify Pakistan in my passport.
Actually, I was born in a small village near Pind Dadan Khan, which is/was definitely a Muslim ``country``:-).

Dear Dost Mittar...

You wrote : ``I too was born in a Muslim country``

I was wondering... what you write for `Born in?` Pakistan, India or British India? If I am not mistaken you were born in Lyallpur in 1940 ... Thats a tricky one ain`t it?

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Dost-mittar and others: apologise for this intrusion...also i do not have a link so regrettably i will have to paste the entire letter here...

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Date: Nov 9, 2003.

To,
Friends believing in principles of democracy and human rights!

Dear Friends,

You must be aware of the arrest of Acting President and Parliamentary leader of PML-N and ARD’s President Makhdoom Javed Hashmi, who was picked up in a Gestapo-like operation around midnight on Wednesday October 29, 2003.

Being his daughter, I have been knocking in vain at government doors to know my father’s whereabouts. The only indication of his whereabouts, was given by the Interior Minister Faisal Saleh who told daily Nawa-i-Waqt the next day that “security agencies” had taken him, which means that he is in the custody of military agencies. I suspect that he is being physically tortured, because even after ten days of his arrest (when I’m writing this letter) none of his relatives or lawyers has been allowed their legal and constitutional right to visit him.

I want to draw your attention to the following facts in this respect:

· Makhdoom Javed Hashmi, in addition to being the Acting President and Parliamentary leader of PML-N, is the President of a 16-party Alliance for Restoration of Democracy(ARD), and leads 78 opposition members in the National Assembly.
· According to the constitution, he could not be arrested without approval of the National Assembly Speaker.
· No warrant was shown at the time of his arrest.
· He was picked up from Parliament Lodges that are part of the Parliament, and as such his arrest was contempt of the Parliament.
· He was not produced before a magistrate, as required by law, and a police officer mysteriously announced that a court had remanded my father to police custody for five days. He refused to identify the court.
· Later, on Nov 4, government lawyers, declining to produce him in person, told the High Court that he had been further remanded to police custody for nine days. He refused to produce remand order, or name of the magistrate who was supposed to have signed it.
· The Police are reluctant to provide a copy of the report detailing charges against him.
· The FIR was not even produced before the High Court. According to the Interior Minister’s claim, my father has been booked under five different laws related to sedition, abetting mutiny, defamation, fraud and rumour mongering. If convicted, he can be sentenced to an approximate total of 65 years jail.
· Speaker National Assembly is required by law to order production of a detained member in the house for participation in proceedings, but he has refused to do so despite a request by opposition parliamentarians, which is breach of privilege of Javed Hashmi.
· It is being wrongly propagated by official spokesmen, including the Interior Minister and Prime Minister Jamali that Makhdoom Javed Hashmi has written a letter to incite the armed forces to mutiny.
· Fact is that Javed Hashmi did not write any letter. He only stated at a news Conference, that several parliamentarians received an anonymous letter addressed
to the “National Leadership” on behalf of military officers, urging the Parliamentarians to work for restoration of democracy, and demand formation of a judicial commission to probe into objective and consequences of the Kargil operation of May 1999, as well as events of October 12, 1999. He showed the letter to the reporters.
· The government authorities, rather the military agencies, have made a fake case against my father to punish him for his undaunted campaign for the end of military rule and restoration of the constitution and supremacy of Parliament.
· The demands made in the letter are the same that opposition have been publicly making for the past four years for the end of military rule and restoration of democracy under the consensus 1973 Constitution of the country.

The facts mentioned above clearly show that Javed Hashmi’s basic rights as a human being and constitutional rights as a citizen of Pakistan have been abused and his privileges as a Member and opposition leader of the Parliament have been breached.

I, therefore seek your help and support, in individual or organizational capacity:
· to raise a voice against the illegal detention of Makhdoom Javed Hashmi;
· in urging the Government to respect the basic human and constitutional rights of Javed Hashmi and to release him immediately, and;
· in the meanwhile, produce him before a court of law and allow his relatives and lawyers to visit him.

I must point out here that my father, aside from recently having undergone a major surgery, is a patient of asthma and needs constant medical care. I am afraid that his jailors, whoever they are, are not providing him necessary medicines and services of a physician. If anything happens which endangers his life, the responsibility would lie on the civilian and military leaders of the present government.

I request you to please take up this matter urgently at all possible levels in whatever capacity you can, and save not only the life of my father, but also the future of democracy in this country. I hope the civil society comprising of vocal advocates of human rights and democracy, would not let me down.

With hopes of solidarity,
Maimoona Hashmi
Member National Assembly of Pakistan
F-106 Parliament Lodges, Islamabad.
Phone# 051-9222804.

Dear Zahra:
The Canadian media are already full of outrage over this episode. Surprisingly, even the right wing opposition, the generally pro-American Canadian Alliance and the Asper-family controlled media, have been pro-Arar.
As far as the weather, the tussle is over here and the Fall has fallen. We already had our manhoos freezing rain last week. There is not a leaf left on the trees, only the rustling of dead leaves littered over the lawns of some lazy homeowners (like your uncle:-).