The Most Ineffective Ban Ever

Gaurav, you walk like a duck, talk like a duck but insist that you are not one......

Ban on Indian movies has nothing to do with Islam or Sharia like a RSS wala with his head stuck in his saffronized rear side would believe. Its been there since `65, long before religion became a major factor in Pakistani politics. It helped our movie industry which peaked in the 70`s but went down during Zia`s Islamization. It has come back a bit since then. The new Pakistani movies show as much skin as Indian movies but otherwise they are as pathetic if not more.

As far as this ``cultural invasion`` thingy is concernced, who is afraid of your mongerel culture? Veena Malik`s shaking booty is far more corrupting than some Tamil Brahman Malini`s fat arse, thank you.

Here is the real reason: India is an enemy country which is occupying Pakistani territory. Why should Pakistan send money to Indian film industry? Simple isn`t it?

so a lot of chowkies think that hindi movies are vulgar. my bet is they will say that they like movies and songs of the yester-year, because they had quality. most certainly, those movies (and songs..i have seen whole dance sequences copied from movies such as an american in paris) were also copied. so, it may be just that chowkies are getting old, and unable to enjoy simple things. even shakespere was considered somewhat vulgar and plagiarist in his times and now he is hi-brow. so maybe antiquity alone will raise the quality of hindi movies. in the meanwhile, the main consumer seems to like many of the movies, and the movie-wallas are striving to get the next big hit, and hopefully repeat the formula.

stuka # 52

Emphasis is on ``good``. desibaba has latino models and/or Indian faces imposed on latino models. I think XXX is one area can where India/Bollywood can beat our guys in Van Nuys and Burbank.

Of course it will be a huge hit in Pakistan: most maulanas will miss a prayer to watch a B grade Indian heroine screwing a C grade Kala Khan.

#26 by pardaisi on November 21, 2003 9:03am PT

``Your comments lacks experience in life and speak poorly on your observation skills``

Are you think your mussi live in fool’s paradise to ban Indian movie in name of culture invasion. or r u live in fools paradise. man every film industry represent their country’s culture or mirror image. .this represent how that country’s ppl live ,what they wear, how they fight ,how they celebrate their festivals. one’s you visit Gujarat you forget bollywood’ s holy or dandiyaras the way here ppl celebrate these festivals. Visit collage of Bombay of ahmedabad you find thousand of salman or amir or ritik and girls with short skirts. man this is not land of pure or Pakistan. film industry is represent country’s mirror image not sunglass image. so your right hand you find in mirror is left hand but you believe this your image. now you said abt fighting bhabhis or so on.Man movies maker mad movie for commercial point of view so they have to mix some masala same way terminator or matrix don’t happen in day to day lives in America but after see that we get idea how Americans live or wear or speak or which festivals they enjoy.

man understand this we must have education no madressa one

Indian hegemony,

Pakistan is always afraid of indian hegemony, it does not want to be a vassel state of india. Well what did they do, they have become a colony of the US. There are six american bases in pakistan, FBI operates frrely, independant of pak military and police, recruits their own staff, every aspect of the pak budget is progressively under the US control.

Wait for the ameripakis, the ones with wheat complexion and crly hairs, tyhen you know that the fear of indians have finally delivered, literally.

apu_m # 51

[I heard the US government is chartering iceland air jets to deport jihadi minded pakis like you...]

How are you doing Apu? I heard that the US government is raiding walmart to arrest # 2 US citizens like you. Be safe now; chowk needs its 3000 page hits from you every day.

Stuka,

``Apparently 130 million Muslims seem to disagree with you. I haven`t seen any large scale refugee movement to Pakistan. You can dream up your own myths but don`t pass it on as truth for us.``

Ha ha, tochy touchy. No one suggested that all Muslims share same political desires. Muslims in India have given it mindshare, we shall see if they were mistaken for their belief in India or not. They are there because they think it`s theirs. Quite simple, really.

This doesn`t change the fact that said difference is a BIG difference.

fountainheader,

``I am a critc of the TNT, not on ideological, but logistical and operational issues. While on religious grounds, one may say that Hindus and Muslims are two nations, the logistical
difficulties of separating them were too enormous.``

Been there, done that. You are correct. Anyhow, the fact that they reside in the same nation doesn`t mean that each think of the other as the same ``peoples``. I think your concept of nation (personal) is different from mine (geopolitical unit). Is it really so bad to have a mutli-grouped nation-state?

``If the Two Nation Theory was on the basis of religion/ethnicity AND geography, it would have worked.``

The end result would have been clear, you mean. The validity of TNT is not challenged, though.

``The subcontinent is either one nation....call it India, south asia, whatever...........or it is 40 different nations. It is NOT two or three nations.``

From the prespective of any one group, it is: themselves, and everyone else. This doesn`t mean that one with this view is automatically unwilling to cooperate and cohabit with ``everyone`` else.

``I have always believed that while religion can serve as a very powerful tool to divide people, it is just not powerful enough to unite them into nationhood. Otherwise all lands between Morocco and Multan would have been one country.``

India is only one country because a foreign power wanted it to be that way. Over time, India established it`s own authority and enforces it with deadly force (visit Kashmir sometime...). This is how ``nations`` are kept together. Fact is, this unit of organization is not inherently natural to man/womankind. It needs some serious ``glue``, economic or military - but often both.

``This year the MMA government in 2 provinces banned the celebration of Basant, a festival celebrated in the subcontinent for thousands of years, on the grounds that it was unislamic. now please dont reply giving me details of basant celebrations and how most pakistanis love flying kites then. i know all that. i am criticising the handful of gun-wielders or beard-wielders who are trying to make the liberal Pakistani society fundamentalist, like in the Arab world.``

You are ignorant about the Arab world. Gun-wielders image was from American/Pakistani war against soviets in Afghanistan. Arabs don`t have that kind of problem, unless you`re talking about the Osama-hood and his band of not-so merry men. What do you have aganist beards, though? Jeez...

Basant was banned by Mullahs because it was thought to be a religious holiday of a non-Islamic faith. These pea-brains couldn`t understand the concept of secular holdiay, or in simple terms a holiday for the heck of it.

Anyhow, it has nothing to do with Arabs. Only two ``real`` holidays for (sunni) muslims are the two Eids. Indeed, if there truley was an Arabization drive, these Mullahs would be beating everyone over the head to make Arabic the national language, or something stupid like that. Give it a rest with that. You equate Islamic revivalism with Arab imperalism...that`s an old canard. A VERY old one. Yes, we Muslims no longer want to dive into the Ganges, our hearts are with the (CITIES) of mecca and Medina. Get over it...

``Most of you say they won`t succeed. I hope you are right, but I continue to be concerned.``

Worry about your own backyard. Banning Indian movies is hardly cause for concern with respect to what other ``civilized`` people are doing in the world.

Ali_1:

``Are there any good XXX movies being produced in India? ``

Dude, don`t even pretend that you are not familiar with www.desibaba.com

pardaisi #26

I agree that a lot of piracy goes on India as well. In fact a lot of piracy of Hindi movies happens in India as well. The issue is not who is guilty of piracy.
And by the way the CDs sold through indiatimes are legitimate CDs. They all have censor certification from the GoI and are released through official channels. That is not to say that you dont get pirated Holywood VCDs, but those sold through indiatimes are genuine.

shandana #28,

whoops, now see what i have done to my countrymen`s image in Pakistan! *worried look*. Haha, sorry to have missed the jocular intent in your comment. My excuse is that I am new to chowk and the printed word only conveys so much.

joyelle #36

you too have missed the point. all the pakistanis are telling me how crappy bollywood movies are. i personally watch and appreciate only 3-4% of the movies released every year. as pardaisi said, better read a book. now if they are so crappy, why do you people watch them? sexual gratification is such a lame excuse, because porn is available very freely, even desi porn. how is attacking hindi movies adding anything to the argument? shandana, help me make a generalisation of pakistanis please ;).

ali #43

whoa, i am a hindutva guy now!! that IS funny. you should re-read the part where I have mentioned islam, quran and shariah. i have never said anything derogatory about those things. i said that the mullah types who think life is all about these things, are deluded. as someone said before, sexual attractions are stronger than religious teachings. TNT and partition, I had to mention, cos it is where the roots of this thing lie, and Musharraf is your President for god`s sake.
and yes ali, there are xxx movies being made in india. contact your nearest video pirate, or even google for it. i dont know if you will find them ``good`` though. because everyone seems to have only bad things to say about indian movies. i wonder if people who watch hindi movies in pakistan even exist on chowk.

general comment

Sadly, there is a lot more acrimony here than I have been used to on dialognow. People don`t seem to respect each other. And both Indians and Pakistanis are doing this, taking cheap shots at each other, then getting into unwinnable arguments. I wonder if this is really helping both people understand each other or giving them a new ground to battle. Very sad. I claim to be no expert on Pakistan. I read 3-4 papers there for the past few years and have a few close friends with whom I interact regularly (they are IN Pakistan, not abroad). So what I write may have many flaws which I hope to correct and learn more about Pakistan. I am neither the chaddiwalah, nor am I the candle-holding peacenik, but am somewhere in between. Thanks to these interacts I realised that the reason for the ban is more protectionist than cultural. However if protecting the lohore film industry is the purpose, then it does not solve the problem either, because piracy happens anyway. in the true spirit of globalisation, why not just accept that movies are soemthing you need to import. pakistan can export music, is already doing so. many singers are phenomenal.

a lot of the diatribe i got, i am not used to. I hope that very soon I can separate the wheat from the chaff and interact only with people interested in conversation and not confrontation. I have already detected 2-3 such individuals. :)

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re: ali1

{Gaurav, the next time your blood boils when you see a Made in Pakistan VCD in Lucknow, go rip a pregnant muslim woman or burn her child or something. }

...he can do that while you toss a bomb into some shia mosque after you`ve tossed one into a church....

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Are there any good XXX movies being produced in India?

#36 by Joyelle

C`mmon...Leave poor rajni alone....Rajni kanth is da bomb diggidy!!! :)
while reading ur comments...i was actually picturing him doing that and it brought a big smile on my face...made my othewise a dull day interesting!
Thanks!!

Can a RSS/Hindutva thug write about anything without mentioning ``TNT`` and ``Partition``? The topic is piracy of Indian movies in Pakistan but the writer has to include, TNT, Musharraf, Islam, Shariah, even Quran in this piece of drivel.

Gaurav, the next time your blood boils when you see a Made in Pakistan VCD in Lucknow, go rip a pregnant muslim woman or burn her child or something. As far as your dream of travelling on the Korakoram highway is concerned, please note that chaddi wallahs are not welcome.