Banning Fashion Shows

Dost mitter,

You had some questions on my assertion that honour killing is not a crime in pakistan. Following quote is from a post below from none other than romair, the fervent white washer of pakistan.

``Once again, the supporters of, “Constitutional democracy” in Pakistan were quiet. Constitutionally and democratically speaking, if the elected assemblies do not want to legislate against honor killings, then what right does an unelected and unconstitutional President have to take action against it, on his own? ``

YLH

``From the elegant and nattily dressed M A Jinnah to the politicians of today who cover their shapeless kilos under the all-forgiving shalwar kameez! What a fall my countrymen.
YASSER LATIF HAMDANI ``

No YLH, it is not a fall. There were no freedom fighters in pakistan, pakistan was creted due to the divide and rule policy of the british with the support of the collaborators. The real creation of pakistan. a land for the muslims of india has just started, and the men who are dying for this cause are the jihadis, in kashmir, in afghanistan and inturkey. The poor who struggle in the madrassas are the creators of pakistan, the freedomfighters for the future of indian muslims. Once this true islamic country is created, the muslims of india will flocjk there true to the vision of its creator.

You as a child of TNT could rise to power in this country that dying jihadis are creating. Like your admired leader you are sipping may be sherry, while supporting the jihadis by not condeming their actions, by not calling for the stopping of killings.

Pakistan problem is not jihadis, but jihad itself. Make a beginning YLH, pen a one liner, jihad is not killing of kafirs. The educated pakistanis have to say that, and that would be a beginning. No, on one is waiting for that.

Mantolives No14;

From your letter:

~~There has to be some other explanation for the prime minister’s decision. Could it be that Mr Jamali is jealous of elegant models, given his own ‘healthy’ physical structure?~~

Hilarious!

;-)

khotasikka #2

As a Puneite/Punekar, allow me to correct you. It is ``aamche Pune``, not ``amchi``. Amchi is the grammatically correct pronoun for Mumbai. In fact every time I hear those Radio Jockeys say ``amchi`` Pune, I wonder why they want to show off their limited marathi.

Stuka,

The Shivsena`s actions are despicable, but at least one can think of them as non-state actions. What is irritating is that the erstwhile BJP government of Rajnath Singh banned beauty paegants in Uttar Pradesh, and the erstwhile BJP Cm in Uttaranchal banned ``western concerts`` there. What is weirder is that one wonder which religious or cultural norms were those things breaking? The common man is apathetic to this. By the time we realise it will be too late and we will have a full fledged Hindu Taliban on our hands.

Khotasikka #15, #22

Mark my words, the Sena will unravel and cease to exist within 5 years of Bal Thackeray`s death(whenever that happens). It is an ideologically bankrupt party with their emnphasis being on anti-something. anti-gujju, anti-northie, anti-muslim, anti-west.....while they organise shows by michael jackson. raj and uddhav lack the charisma and oratory of Bal. they have musclke, but muscle will not last once they lose their support amongs the lower middle class, which they surely will after thackeray dies. These are the people who vandalised the 1983 cricket world cup that we won.

By the way, what stops you(or even me) from filing a PIL against the sena?

cipram,

.......... is shab-i-barat a religious occasion?.............. with the fireworks and everything else, i thought it was the local equivalent of guy fawkes day or the fourth of july ............when i was growing up, all we did on shab-i-barat was set off patakas, bombs, anars, hawais and run around with phuljaris ......... once in a while we would set off a big bomb ( those things tied up with suter the cost a rupee each) .......... even more fun was putting a string of lighted patakas in a can - the noise would deter any angel from coming down to earth!............. of course my mother would make halwa or kheer and send it out to the neighbors in doily covered plates ............ but i really don`t remember it being a religious occasssion ................ what happened?......... who religiosized it and why ?

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Leaving the country is not the solution, what we need is more educated minds to go back to Pakistan and engage in non-profit social organizations to bring an end to the chaos and corruption that has ruled Pakistan since its conception. And you can even engage in volunteer work while away from Pakistan so don`t take the denial/neglect route because all of us have to duty when it comes to our native country. If not that, then maybe just as humans we can lend a helping held. Humanity seeks no citizenship....

To satisfy the millions of hypocrites living in Pakistan , it is the easiest way.

All good people should leave the country. Talibanisation is in progress and I fear within 15 years, it will be totally a Talibanistan.

If a country is ruled by senseless waderas, cruel jageerdars and brainless armymen, what better can we expect ?

Would the writer object to having these applied on a case-by-case basis to fashion shows that cross the line (legally)? I find it odd that the show itself is what is being banned...that`s odd...wouldn`t be the first odd thing about Pakistan, though...

Let`s speak in tangible terms. A fashion model wears a mini-skirt. There`s an uproar. Someone wants to charge the model with obscenity. What is your stand? Be realistic. Wishy-washy ``that`s not obscene`` argument doesn`t fly, since in the context of Pakistan`s conservative culture that is obscene...

#13 by Mantolives
//..as he had indicated to `Jawaharlal` that he intended to return to Bombay and live in his house..//

Hold on a second here! So Jinnah wanted to return to India ( Hindustan, his preferred name ) and live with Hindus - after creating a whole new country because he believed that muslims cannot live with hindus???

I don`t get it!!!

//... sadly even a historian like Wolpert was taken in by Paki-propaganda...//

So Pakis do propaganda against the founder of their own country??

Man - pakis are the wierdest of people!!

## Plats #17
To be fair, though, I think the Valentines Day stupidity of the Shiv Sena has been condemned here in the past.
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What is needed is for a PIL to be filed to drag these lafangas into court. Judicial activism could cure some of their madness.

Its reverse Talibanisation in Pakistan:

To claim that Pakistan is on the road of Talibanisation may be true if we compare affairs with those of several decades ago, of which I am not aware, but to claim that it is continuing even today, is far from reality.

Even in the NWFP, urbanites generally do not oppose music and fashion shows. This is natural. One has to understand for example that after Urdu and Punjabi, only Pashto cinema has kept things running in Pakistan. Pathan actors and actresses have been in-demand Urdu movie and TV actors too.

If one watches any of the Pakistani channels, then he / she will agree that its the process of reverse Talibanaisation in Pakistan. Things will remain decidedly conservative in the NWFP and Balochistan, but Punjab and Sindh will continue to provide the much needed show-bizz related entertainment to the countrymen.

Now Islam should be renamed to ``Taboo``.

Re : Romair # 19
That’s a very interesting post and you make a very valid point. We in India are guaranteed civil liberties. The govt. in our country cannot pass any law that violates these liberties. Do you have civil liberties in your constitution ? I have assumed that you are referring to the 1973 constitution.

Regards,

Faruk

Rafay-Alam #11 “Since I wrote it (about three weeks ago), the grapevine has informed me that Prime Minister Jamali has quietly recalled his instructions (or government officers were instructed to disregard them, or both) after getting a bit of a lecture from President Musharraf.”

Just out of curiosity, did anyone, including lawyers, oppose Musharraf’s unconstitutional over-ruling of Jamali?

There seems to be an interesting double-standard, I have noticed, amongst Pakistan’s various die-hard Constitution and democracy supporters: When Jamali makes a decision that this group dislikes, and Musharraf over-rules it, people conveniently forget about democracy and the Constitution. Similarly when Musharraf makes unconstitutional decisions that this groups likes (e.g. putting mullahs in jail, without due process), this group keeps quite also.

However, when it sounds good and suits this group, it raises loud slogans for the Constitution and democracy.

If we follow purely Constitutional arguments, then Jamali, being the democratically elected head of Pakistan, should be supported on his banning of fashion shows (regardless of people’s personal opinion), with respect to Musharraf over-ruling him. One can make a Constitutional argument for or against Jamali on this. However, Constitutionally speaking, Musharraf shouldn’t even exist. Hence his over-rule should be opposed.

Similarly, on the honor killing cases. Pakistan’s elected assembly is not even willing to hear any proposed legislation against honor-killing, much less vote against it. On the other hand, recently, the President using his own authority (which is unconstitutional) ordered an investigation into an honor killing.

Once again, the supporters of, “Constitutional democracy” in Pakistan were quiet. Constitutionally and democratically speaking, if the elected assemblies do not want to legislate against honor killings, then what right does an unelected and unconstitutional President have to take action against it, on his own?

I think Pakistanis either need to accept the decisions of the elected assembly, and the elected Prime Ministers, as ridiculous as they may seem. Or they need to accept that Pakistan’s democracy and Constitution lack the pre-requisites, at the moment. And thus base their decisions on common sense; thereby supporting certain unconstitutional decisions also, like Musharraf’s over-ruling of Jamali on certain occasions.

One cannot run with the hares and hunt with the hounds.

Temporal,

Thanks. I knew that Mr. Jinnah did not disown his daughter, I just I did not have the proof.