The Culture of Research and Learning

flyhighkites #114
You might like to notice, there are plenty of other people posting here, you are not the only one.

I don`t know about Zahra, I was talking of other posters. One poster said that I was talking of two nation theory, another told me to stop quoting from Asia times. I went back and looked at my posts again and again, I have no clue how these posters could say what they did. So I said one sentence in reply to that. For that now you are accusing me of saying bad things about you. That is totally your wish! I live and learn every day.

117: Omar: Can you apply your ``mentally disturbed`` sermons on your own self or you need to see a mirror every now and then? Whatever! I am sure you can provide enough amusement to equally disturbed, sorry I am not interested in your ``intellectually stimulating`` discourses. Thanks.

zahraJ -- again -- what in god`s name are you talking about -- wait ??? for what???
harish ji -- i was told that by one of the editors here when i asked them about the policy -- no one is whining harish ji -- learn to chill a bit shri harish ji --

A National Policy Dialogues Series is being launched by Virtual Think Tank Pakistan (VTTP) and Pakistan Research Support Network (PRSN) on Science and Technology, Research, Higher and Basic/Primary Education Reforms. Substantial Prize money is at stake for original, creative and pragmatic ideas on several sub-topics and sub-sub-topics. The website for the competition is http://npds.vttp.org. I would urge all to participate, support, and promote the event.

-Athar Osama
Doctoral Fellow in Policy Studies
Member, Managing Committee of National Policy Dialogues Series

zahra can u try having an argument without getting personal?

#113: I do not wish to stay into this any longer. I am tempted to go back and copy/paste the entire relevant thread.... but then I know ramifications, explanations, accusations will follow... and this will become another classic Chowk mess. The interested can do their own backing-up and follow the thread...

Whatever, *shrug* I don`t really care any longer. I am fine with being a bull or a kite or a piety-filled hypocrite. I don`t mind this, and I don`t mind you. Qissa khatam.

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I hope that I can return to continue discussing the rsrch thing itself.... Dagny, I thought we were onto something? No further thoughts?

Ms flyhighkites #97 #110
My comment to Zahra was not directed at you.

Omar: I AM very opinionated. Thank you for realizing that others have ``opinions`` too. And, they would dump your nonsense. Now to pacify your ego, you need www.dawn.com to have its own discussion forum since this ain`t dawn.com. I hope you do not lose your mind during the endless wait. Happy Waiting!

Now this is ridiculous. No one on Chowk except you has advocated that so-and-so post be refused/deleted. Like a crybaby, you whine about some perceived slight and then take the editors to task for letting it through. Why don`t you just chill out man? If you look at all the other posters and yourself, you will realize what a moron you are making of yourself. And yes, this word `moron`, I have heard it more from you than anyone else in recent times.

Excusez moi s`l vous plait. qu`il rationale. de ne pas utilisez les expression de malyck.
Zahraj, C`est bon!!
A Bientot!!!

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#106: If I post HERE, then I am a low-flying bull with my horns in the mud, missing ironies, and in need of complete help. If I display courtesy enough to respect you and Sadna despite the persistent attitude from you (but not from Sadna) - and also respect for Murtaza`s space - and move the discussion to Unplugged, this is rubbish. What am I now? A low-flying bull-with-horns-stuck-in-the-mud in a catch22 situation?

(Nevertheless, it was a great lung exercise as I thoughtof my new description last night while doing my daily think-of-something-funny-that-happened-today. LOL)

And now, let me tell you something Zahra: I am not a man in white suit drivelling at the feet of Paki Princesses. In other words, do not assume you can tell me off and I will oblige. I am an empowered woman with opinions myself, and perfectly able to cut anyone down to ribbons. Though this is a tone that I did not wish to use, you have been asking for it repeatedly. If not courted again, I will not return to this. Perhaps the next time, if there are no aimless hysterical fits (what got you going in the first place anyway? what was that romantic exchange about stupid bulls all abt?), I can have breathing space enough to detail my POV which largely aligns with your own.

zahraJ -- what in god`s name are you talking about -- is it only me or does she have an overly high opinion of herself ? who told u to side with a moron? u think people here really care who you side with or don`t --

and this is for you nazar sahib and the ijaz guls type of people here -- please check out the board on faiza hussain`s article -- she has written a nice piece on people who throw out their trash in pakistan -- also then see post # 5 by jay -- this guy has to bring in all kinds of non-related stuff -- please see it and then you will understand why some interactors (moi!) are fed up when others bring in completely irrelevant material in their postings --

- Why cannot Chowk function based on ideas only ?
- Why do I have to side with a Pakistani who I may consider a complete moron?
- Why do I have to portray the silly picture of ``united we stand and divided we fall`` at wrong occasions?
- Why do I have to be routed to another section of Chowk in order to discuss a point? What rubbish!
- Why do I have to acknowldege this little boys` club thing vs. interacting with adults who stand behind their thoughts?

This is simply unhealthy!

By playing the above unhealthy games, we(as individuals) curtail the process of learning and growth. Well, if we only analyze one side of the picture then the chances of refining that picture are quite slim. We may miss a few spots where some feedback could do miracles.

Now, I may find it painful to absorb Romair`s elaborate critique on my painting (for argument sake). I may like Sadna`s suggestion for the touch-ups and may also consider Einstein`s recommendations. Lastly, before I submit the final results, I may add a poetical footnote from Qibla Naqshbandi or a childish remark from Omar`s hilarious contributions. Whatever route I take, I`d make the final call. If someone advises me to consider one critic over the other for some absurd reason, i.e. based on their gender or race or culture. I would completely ignore and disregard that person. Now, this ain`t aloofness or rudeness or stiffness. It`s real important to have the eye to distinguish. In simple words, it`s an individual`s ``CHOICE`` to appreciate what appeals to them and disregard what doesn`t. With due respect, the rest of the world and their views and opinions mean nothing after the final decision is made. So, could we please move on? Thank You.

#102 by Romair on June 2, 2004 7:23pm PT

[Perhaps this is something you need to analyze about yourself and your generation. And only then should you start blaming the mullah..........]

Perhaps Captain Clueless did not notice my last post (#96), but let me remind him again.

When Abdus Salam, the Muslim world’s first and Pakistan’s only Nobel prize winner, wanted to establish a research institute in Pakistan, Gen. Zia-ul-Haq, fearing the wrath of the Mullahs, refused permission. Disillusioned, the man had to start a research center at Trieste in Italy. Here is a real world example of how the Mullahs scuttled a man’s burning ambition to contribute his bit towards building a modern Pakistan.

#102 by Romair on June 2, 2004 7:23pm PT

[And from what I have heard, the major group of technolgists that are willing to stay in Pakistan to run its nuclear reactors are from the mullah group.]
[Pakistan`s mullahs, while they have other problems, are R&D friendly.]
[But not in R&D, since they themselves participate in it.]

Is that why one scientist claimed that heaven was receding from the Earth at a rate of 1 cm less than the speed of light per second based on the Quran? And is that why another thought he could solve Pakistan’s power crisis by extracting energy from genies because the Quran said they were made of fire?


[And, since they have never run Pakistan, they cannot be given the main blame for ruining Pakistan, either.]

Sure. President Musharraf was thinking of appointing a committee to examine the Hudood ordinances and Blasphemy laws (not because of any noble intentions but under pressure from Uncle Sam), but had to backtrack because of the vehement opposition from the Mullahs. And what would have been a very progressive measure that promised a vast improvement in the condition of women fizzled out because of the utter selfishness of the Mullahs in keeping a medieval law alive.


[Qazi Hussein, may want to end co-education and introduce Shariah, but his son(s) went to the USA to study technolgy.]

Exactly how is that a virtue? If anything, it is hypocrisy of the worst kind, trying to deny modern education for the teeming masses of Pakistan while sending his sons to the most modern educational institutions in the west.