Yesterday’s Failures are Today’s Successes

This is yet another pathetic article reaking of ignorence of pakistani kind. This comes from an ignorence of countries that followed the US open economy model, none so claasix as the ex-US colony of the philippines.
Today Coco cola is the latgest business corporation, they also make the famed san meugal beer. The crony capitalism is the only type that could survive and flourish in a country where the social instituions are not develped, and every newly independant country has to create a large public sector till the checks and balances to guide the capitalism are developed.
Again take philippines that opened up labour exports, the so called educated, english speaking variety that emerged after independance. There were no educational istitutions of IIt variety, and eventoday most philippinos are cooks and maids all through the world with sexual exploitation to top it< claasic case of female liberation in a poor country.
In all of the delings with the philippnes at the govt levels, one can see the lack of competance, the lack of experience in dealing with large organisations and they get trampled over by what dist mitter calls as the wasted talents of the IIT graduates from india.

The types of dost mitter with the paktype mind set cannot see the reality of india and its historical moorings, like the book of devine origin for the pakistanis, it is the american capitalist giospel for the diost mitters, repeated quoted and applied at in appropriate settings.

Hindi the national language

May be it was indira gandhi, made a speach in hindi to a large gathhering of malayalees at calicut. She concluded by saying that hope that some day in future when you all learn hindi, there will be no need for a translator. A subsequent speaker remarked that it would be sensible for you, one person to learn malayalam, rather than we the thousands to learn hindi, so that there is no need for a traslator.
It is part of the folklore that since then no hindi wala has ever dared to say something like that in kerala. By the way karala since independance has a three language policy, hindi id compulsary from class three onwards and many choose hindi as second language at 11 and 12 as it is easier to get marks in hindi than in malayalam with tougher standards being the mother tongue.

Dost-Mittar,

Excellent article sir.

Here is a heart warming and relevant article:



{{Pretty impressive for a place that just four years ago was a fallow plot of land. Even more impressive, the Bangalore operation has become vital to the future of one of America`s biggest, most profitable companies. ``The game here really isn`t about saving costs but to speed innovation and generate growth for the company,`` explains Bolivian-born Managing Director Guillermo Wille, one of the center`s few non-Indians.

The Welch center is at the vanguard of one of the biggest mind-melds in history. Plenty of Americans know of India`s inexpensive software writers and have figured out that the nice clerk who booked their air ticket is in Delhi. But these are just superficial signs of India`s capabilities. Quietly but with breathtaking speed, India and its millions of world-class engineering, business, and medical graduates are becoming enmeshed in America`s New Economy in ways most of us barely imagine. ``India has always had brilliant, educated people,`` says tech-trend forecaster Paul Saffo of the Institute for the Future in Menlo Park, Calif. ``Now Indians are taking the lead in colonizing cyberspace.``}}

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_49/b3861001_mz001.htm


(I love the fact that India`s adoption of economic reforms and free market capitalism is making the socialists squirm...oh we are so uncouth now, oh we are so consumerist now, oh we are so barbarian now...as opposed to the socialist Arcadia of the 1950`s and 1960`s and 1970`s...Marxists are truly so clueless.

And while they moan whinge and whine, more Indians are being pulled out of poverty and aspiration is transforming the possibilities of lives across India. Dont these socialists have any shame?)

Ref yagacho #7

[in my opinion nehru laid the foundation of a strong india. however indra and rajiv did not build on that foundation otherwise india would have been a stronger nation today.]

Nehru didn`t lay much emphasis on Family Planning. This led to the disastrous rise in population that could not be easily supported.

Mush as I dislike Indira Gandhi, she must be given credit for the Green Revolution. It was after the 1962-67 monsoon failures -- and the consequent dependence on PL480 food aid -- that spurred Indira Gandhi into setting up fertilizer and pesticide plants. This, coupled with the increased use of newer varieties of rice and wheat with shorter time to maturity and greater yields, has made India a food-surplus nation. Traditional methods of agriculture that were prevalent up to the late 1960s are no match for the growth in population.

Indira Gandhi also was responsible for setting up certain industries and the direction of the future. It would be doubtful if we would have a Bharat Dynamics if we had Nehru or Lal Bahadur Shastri leading the country.

mantolives:
``Whatever his flaws and blindspots Nehru was a great visionary ... and India will be forever in his debt, no matter what his detractors say.. or how much they want to take him apart.``

I agree with you that India owes a lot to Nehru. His contribution towards building institutions - and I am not thinking here of only the brick-and-mortar variety - is well recognised even by those of us who do not agree with the development model he chose for India. But more than anything else, he presented to India in his person, the model Indian. Here was a Hindu Kashmiri Brahmin from Uttar Pradesh who was probably more comfortable with english language and food; yet nobody could think of him as a hindu or a brahmin or a Up-ite, but simply an Indian. This was as much true of a Tamil brahmin as of a Luckhnow muslim.

``I disagree with dost mittar on the issue of national language. Nehru was right in making Hindi the national language. ``

Hindi was more alien to south Indians than Urdu was to East Pakistanis. If the policy to impose Hindi had been persisted, it is doubtful if India would have survived.

khotasikka:
``Consumerism is related to ecological problems - directly and indirectly, yes.``
Environment is the key threat to India today and is not sufficiently considered. There have been two fortunate developments in India in recent years. The high levels of pollution causing several diseases in New Delhi which affected both the rich and poor made Indians realise the real cost of pollution, thus forcing the courts to impose stringent laws on gas emissions. The result is that everybody expects the ruling Congress party in Delhi to score a landslide victory this week, much against the general anti-incumbency factor which works in India.
Secondly, India is also fortunate that its growth is taking place in the service producing industries which generate less pollution than the old-type manufacturing factories.

Fosa#13
For a change, your post was quite easy to comprehend this time!
The purpose of this article is not to present a balanced picture of India today, nor is it to celebrate her well-known successes in certain fields. It is in fact to point out to the irony of the situation that things dont always turn out to be the way they were meant to.

nasah:
``Yesterday`s Successes are Today`s Failures?.. :-) ``

Definitely yes! In fact, I initally wanted to write an artile which would have included ``and successes become failures, too!) and added some examples of the opposite side. But the article would have become too long. Maybe, you could highlight some of these here.
One of the greatest successes that has turned into a failure is secularism and tolerance. With all its fault, Nehru`s India was a secular India and a tolerant India, at least in the matter of religious identity. But here again, in my opinion, the pseudo-minorityism of those days, such as haj subsidies, separrate laws and educational institutions, without taking the needed measures to improve their socio-economic conditions, created ideal conditions for the backlash against muslims that we are seeing today. Another unintended consequence!

Pankaj, Dost mittar,

In my humble opinion:

That confidence , positive image, or identity will either:

1) Accentuate the communal divide... the confusion of Hindu civilization with Indian civilization... whether that is true or not is an another question.

2) or more success will help the youth of minority communities associate with the Majority community.. thereby abandoning their hang ups and taking pride in common hindu heritage.

Either way ... I see a more cohesive, successful, and captialistic India emerging... tolerance and coexistence I am not too sure about.

-YLH

silly#5:
``In my opinion the blame for the failure of basic education/literacy should be placed on the local state level governments not on the central government. ``
You are right, in a strict jurisdictional sense, as primary education is the responsibility of the state governments. But you have to remember that the state governments were run by the Congress party whose leaders were nothing more than the faithful dogs of Nehru. After all, land reform was also under state jurisdiction and it was carried out by the states. The only state where the Congress was not in power, Kerala, happens to be also the state which laid the greatest emphasis on improving literacy.

typo:

I meant to say ``failure of today is the success of tommorow.``

or in other words : `failure of yesterday is the success of today`

Pankaj:
``With success comes a strong sense of self-esteem and with it comes stronger notion of identity. For identity, Indian youth naturally looks back at the ancient Indian civilization and its achievements. Now it is largely Hinduism along with other Indic religions like Jainism, Buddhism etc that incorporate these civilizational traits and provide him(Indian youth) with a sense of pride and positive self image. ``

I agree, up to a point. But why should this sense of pride be restricted to civilization associated with Indic relgions? Why should it not include the tremendous contributions to the composite culture and civilisation made by the adherents of non-Indic faiths?

``Socialists, communists and leftists of all hues choose ``equality``, I prefer freedom. What people dont realize is that complete ``equality`` and freedom can never coexist in a human society``

To give credit where it is due, Nehru was as committed to freedom as he was to socialism if not more. In fact, I would say that he was not even seriously committed to equality, otherwise he would have closed all private schools and sent his own grandchildren to the local municipal school rather than the Doon school. And equality has not been achieved even in a communist society, members of the communist party were always more equal than others in communist China and Soviet Russia.

``The job of government should be to facilitate free enterprise by focussing on the law and order and let the ``trickle down`` effect do the distribution of wealth instead of trying to redistribute the wealth using state power.``

Here, I would disagree with you. In my observation of the working of the capitalist societies, the private enterprise does as poor a job of the distribution of wealth as the government sector does in creation of wealth. So, while the govt. should let the private sector do the job of running businesses, it must use its powers of taxation and spending to create a safety net for those who are left behind in the competitive process to ensure a caring and just society.

PM#1
``I guess it would have to be the jingoistic version of nationalism that prevails here. I don;t see how love of consumerism could be possible with any genuine love for country. Perhaps you make the point later in the article? ``

The statement I made was regarding the characteristic of a certain emerging class in India. Perhaps you may explain why the love of consumerism is not possible with love of country. I am sure you are not suggesting that people in poor countries love their country more than those in richer countries. If the point is that consumerism leads to environmental degradation, I would agree but I see it more as a global than a national issue. One could perhaps also argue that these people are ignorant and if they Really loved their counry, they would not worship consumerism.

Whatever his flaws and blindspots Nehru was a great visionary ... and India will be forever in his debt, no matter what his detractors say.. or how much they want to take him apart.

While I agree that protectionism in the long run might have become a liability, it was required initially. Dost Mittar is right in concluding that the failure of tommorow is a success of today.

I disagree with dost mittar on the issue of national language. Nehru was right in making Hindi the national language. A national language promotes secular nationalism and crushes the forces of regional/ethnic/communal dissent. Perhaps Urdu could have done the same for Pakistan... but enough people were out to exploit the issue... too bad... it could have been the perfect alternative for Islamic solidarity for the basis of Pakistani nationalism.

``And the South, which was unwilling to learn Hindi under duress, seems to be willing now to accept a hybrid of Hindi and English or Hinglish. Hinglish now seems to be as easily understood in Bangalore as in Mumbai. Some of the recent Bollywood films seem to use more Hinglish than Hindi/Urdu. ``


Perhaps Urdulish can do the same for Pakistan.

-YLH

``Yesterday’s Failures are Today’s Successes``.....?

mayray mittre -- dost-mitter ji -- may be or may be NOT -- did it occur to your that may be also --

Yesterday`s Successes are Today`s Failures?.. :-)

the name of the game of yester years -- ``during the 50s, ‘60s and ‘70s`` -- could have been -- Sacrifice For Self-Sufficiency -- may be a temporary inconvenience -- may be an unknowing or all-knowing ForePlay For Future IT FkFest .``.......:-)

on the cultural level -- as the language of my post would indicate -- the Indians of 2003 are less civilized -- more uncouth ... more hateful... more cruel ... more selfish...more capricious....more vulgar -- more barbarian -- and more SUCCESSFUL -- than the Indians of ``the 50s, ‘60s and may be of ‘70s.``.. :-)

``I believe that the road to disaster is paved with socialist intentions. Socialists, communists and leftists of all hues choose ``equality``, I prefer freedom. What people dont realize is that complete ``equality`` and freedom can never coexist in a human society..``(Pankaj)

Pankaj miaN -- how the road to disaster is paved with socialist intentions if the socialist choose ``equality`` over your ``freedom``?

and if -- ``complete equality`` and freedom can never coexist in human society`` -- do you think that ``complete freedom`` can exist anywhere in the world -- Socialist or Capitalist....without equality?.....:-)

PM#4

Consumerism is related to ecological problems - directly and indirectly, yes. You are referring to irresponsible consumerism - of course there is an alternative. It hasnt been tried yet, but I suppose India will be able to evolve something. There`s a can-do attitude like never before. We are actually beginning to believe in a future, perhaps even a greater destiny as a nation.

But I was confused about your earlier statement where you made an either-or case with consumerism and patriotism. That is clearly not the case.