Ayesha H Ahmad December 11, 2003
#74 Posted by khotasikka on December 12, 2003 11:31:12 am
#71 by mohar11
I think the ``battle front`` has moved much beyond that. It is now focused on Paki home-ground.
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In my opinion, being pushed to irrelevance is probably going to be far more frightening for them. Its getting too easy to bash - it is so onesided that its not even fun anymore.
I think the ``battle front`` has moved much beyond that. It is now focused on Paki home-ground.
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In my opinion, being pushed to irrelevance is probably going to be far more frightening for them. Its getting too easy to bash - it is so onesided that its not even fun anymore.
#73 Posted by rozaiba on December 12, 2003 11:26:30 am
hamidM:
Yes, Ismailis are leading the way forward! : )
Yes, Ismailis are leading the way forward! : )
#72 Posted by stuka on December 12, 2003 11:09:23 am
Rational Faith:
Khamkhwa is a good guy. Besides, what the fuck is your problem with individual Pakistanis? Can`t see the forst for the trees can ya?
Khamkhwa is a good guy. Besides, what the fuck is your problem with individual Pakistanis? Can`t see the forst for the trees can ya?
#71 Posted by RationalFaith on December 12, 2003 10:52:25 am
There we have it - the cream of Pakistani poppy crop - khamkhwa - worried why Indians are not supporting Pakistani obsession with killing women and non Muslims.
#70 Posted by mohar11 on December 12, 2003 10:52:25 am
#60 by khotasikka
//...We can pull their chaddis down ...When they start giving us advice on democracy or secularism, at least we can have a good laugh and wave them onwards...//
I think the ``battle front`` has moved much beyond that. It is now focused on Paki home-ground.
Anyway - after seeing a lot of humbug from Pakis over the years - it is fun to show them the mirror and see them squirm.
Here is yet another validation of why Pakistanis should be forced to reform.
http://headlines.sify.com/2784news5.html?headline=Pak~a~threat~to~entire~world:~Bush`s~adviser
Pakistan is a ``threat to the entire South Asian region and the world`` .... key foreign policy adviser to the Bush administration Richard Haass said here today.
//...We can pull their chaddis down ...When they start giving us advice on democracy or secularism, at least we can have a good laugh and wave them onwards...//
I think the ``battle front`` has moved much beyond that. It is now focused on Paki home-ground.
Anyway - after seeing a lot of humbug from Pakis over the years - it is fun to show them the mirror and see them squirm.
Here is yet another validation of why Pakistanis should be forced to reform.
http://headlines.sify.com/2784news5.html?headline=Pak~a~threat~to~entire~world:~Bush`s~adviser
Pakistan is a ``threat to the entire South Asian region and the world`` .... key foreign policy adviser to the Bush administration Richard Haass said here today.
#69 Posted by stuka on December 12, 2003 10:33:35 am
Khamkhwa: Okay. I didn`t really read the interacts because the topic is not of much personal interest to me. But I did scan the names of interactors and saw Arjun and RationalFaith so I can guess. But they are the same guys saying prolly the same stuff. Why extrapolate it to all Indians now?
#68 Posted by Jahil on December 12, 2003 10:13:10 am
Hamidm2
dude i couldn`t find the BBC news u were talking about in ur msg. 59. can u plz provide the url?
dude i couldn`t find the BBC news u were talking about in ur msg. 59. can u plz provide the url?
#67 Posted by Jahil on December 12, 2003 9:56:30 am
Mr. hamidm2, my dear friend please go through the history of Pakistan courts and quote one incident where a person was stoned to death for committing adultery. This punishment has never been awarded and is not likely to be awarded in future.
You quoted :
“2. The punishment in Islamic law, for a married person who commits adultery, is killing by stoning.”
Do you know the criteria of proof to implement this punishment? Well to implement this punishment, I repeat this punishment that you quoted, one needs to prove the incident through atleast two eye witnesses (who had never committed any major sin in their whole lives), who had seen not just the incident but the very intercourse through their eyes..
further more, the punishments overall as prescribed by Islam are no doubt very strict and may seem unreasonable at times but the criteria to prove the same is even more strict and if you are unable to prove the incident as prescribed, than if the incident is otherwise proved by corroborating evidence, a lesser punishment is awarded..
as far as the comments of others are concerned, I suppose they don’t even deserve a response.
You quoted :
“2. The punishment in Islamic law, for a married person who commits adultery, is killing by stoning.”
Do you know the criteria of proof to implement this punishment? Well to implement this punishment, I repeat this punishment that you quoted, one needs to prove the incident through atleast two eye witnesses (who had never committed any major sin in their whole lives), who had seen not just the incident but the very intercourse through their eyes..
further more, the punishments overall as prescribed by Islam are no doubt very strict and may seem unreasonable at times but the criteria to prove the same is even more strict and if you are unable to prove the incident as prescribed, than if the incident is otherwise proved by corroborating evidence, a lesser punishment is awarded..
as far as the comments of others are concerned, I suppose they don’t even deserve a response.
#66 Posted by Ahmadzai on December 12, 2003 9:56:30 am
arjun-m at #53:
While you are right that I am doing Jihad in a way wirting messages on this website, you need to take time off killing innocent Christians, Muslims and Sikhs in Fundoo Indooland to find the truth there. You have laws, yet dowry deaths are on the increase. You have secularism yet your fundoo Government goes for Muslim/Christians/Sikhs killing, goes into hibernation, or estivation depending upon the time of the year, wakes up from it to begin the process again.
While you are right that I am doing Jihad in a way wirting messages on this website, you need to take time off killing innocent Christians, Muslims and Sikhs in Fundoo Indooland to find the truth there. You have laws, yet dowry deaths are on the increase. You have secularism yet your fundoo Government goes for Muslim/Christians/Sikhs killing, goes into hibernation, or estivation depending upon the time of the year, wakes up from it to begin the process again.
#65 Posted by khamkhwa. on December 12, 2003 9:56:30 am
stuka#64
...gujjubania may not be on this thread but his philosophy reigns supreme, which is being put to good use by the `copycats`....
...gujjubania may not be on this thread but his philosophy reigns supreme, which is being put to good use by the `copycats`....
#64 Posted by stuka on December 12, 2003 9:22:29 am
Kkhamkhwa:
Are you in the wrong board? I don`t see any comments by Gujju Bania here...what are you talking about?
Are you in the wrong board? I don`t see any comments by Gujju Bania here...what are you talking about?
#63 Posted by mohar11 on December 12, 2003 8:45:48 am
//..the harshness of your tone that drives the faithful away...//
Yep - you got to be very gentle with the ``faithful``. They can beat women for any reason, kill them for honor, but they are fragile as flower. it is hard to believe but true. So gentlemen - be very gentle with the faithful.
Yep - you got to be very gentle with the ``faithful``. They can beat women for any reason, kill them for honor, but they are fragile as flower. it is hard to believe but true. So gentlemen - be very gentle with the faithful.
#62 Posted by khamkhwa. on December 12, 2003 8:16:29 am
....and the continued silence of the `good indians` confirms my theory that gujjubania speaks the truth on behalf of the indians . way to go india...
#61 Posted by arjun_m on December 12, 2003 8:11:29 am
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#60 Posted by RationalFaith on December 12, 2003 8:11:29 am
All Pakistanis must have faith in Islam. Islam is the way. The more the merrier. Solidify Islam in Pakistan. Make it completely Islamic. It is not really Islamic right now. Remove all Kafirism. Cleanse it fully so it becomes Pak as it was meant to be. Salvation is just round the corner. If not in the lifetime of Islamists like Godot, so what? You must keep trying for a few generations. Teach your children your lessons.
All problems will disappear in a few generations. What relief with the end of bad and stinking rubbish.
All problems will disappear in a few generations. What relief with the end of bad and stinking rubbish.
#59 Posted by anew on December 12, 2003 8:11:29 am
#38 by RationalFaith on December 12, 2003 6:36am PT
You must ignore people like Hamidm2. It is indeed a surprise that Chowk publishers find contents of messages like #30 suitable for putting on this website...they don`t realize that they hurt the feelings of Muslims, or don`t care.
Hurt - not any more. Muslims need to be cool like ice. All these misunderstandings are Our own fault. We did not deliver the message and never made ourselves as Role Model. Actually it is purely our fault. We are the biggest barrier between the World and their accepting the True Message of Islam. If any one has to change first, it is not gentlemen like Hamidm2 but We the so-called Muslims. If ALLAH will punish severely, those will be Muslims who `left Islam` and not people like Hamidm2 who did not `come to Islam`.
I doubt very much Mr. Rationalfaith that you are not a Muslim.
You must ignore people like Hamidm2. It is indeed a surprise that Chowk publishers find contents of messages like #30 suitable for putting on this website...they don`t realize that they hurt the feelings of Muslims, or don`t care.
Hurt - not any more. Muslims need to be cool like ice. All these misunderstandings are Our own fault. We did not deliver the message and never made ourselves as Role Model. Actually it is purely our fault. We are the biggest barrier between the World and their accepting the True Message of Islam. If any one has to change first, it is not gentlemen like Hamidm2 but We the so-called Muslims. If ALLAH will punish severely, those will be Muslims who `left Islam` and not people like Hamidm2 who did not `come to Islam`.
I doubt very much Mr. Rationalfaith that you are not a Muslim.
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