Tariq Aqil May 28, 2004
#19 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on June 5, 2004 9:41:50 am
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#18 Posted by rahul_capri on June 1, 2004 1:07:53 pm
I am surprised to find nobody even tried to give a concrete answer to Rajat`s post. Now the problem here is when we give our money to charity or whatever donation such missionary institutions get, some amount of money-say 30 cents out of a dollar go to promotion of their religion.Also, the recipients of the benefits might be indirectly forced to convert to Christianity.This does happen. The wrong thing here is the donor does not know that s he is contributing 30 cents a dollar to promotion of Christianity.Also, recipient of the benefit has to give up their religion, which is exploitation of their situation. And not to talk about the hostile approach to contraception and the other stuff. But what to do? This missions have the money will, and media contacts to promote their mission.And they do some good work too. One more problem is the ``secular charitable institutions`` (I could find no better word) are not as well publicised and in your eye as these missions.So, it is easier to contribute to,say, the Christians Chilren Fund than say,Baba Amte`s Anand Van Ashram .(I doubt if they accept credit cards) But, if one is serious about donating their money, they should take the trouble to find out and donate and steer clear of the missionaries. If you are lazy, probably it is better to donate them to such missions than not to donate at all.
#17 Posted by Ralph on June 1, 2004 10:31:16 am
It is easy to criticize. Much harder to actually do the good work. I hope some of you will rise to the challenge and help people as much as Mother Teresa did.
#16 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on June 1, 2004 4:32:20 am
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#15 Posted by Maharana on May 31, 2004 6:10:03 pm
Tariq Aqil,
Thanks for your views on Teresa. Even though I do not agree with her motivations for doing what she did, the poor did get the help nobody else could offer. This is the best aspect of the whole scenario. Western money in the garb of religious conversions and/or charity can easily find its way to most third world countries. As long as some people can actaully change their lives with that, its great. Although its not surprising that millions of homeless + poverty ridden families in the US will never be as lucky as the destitutes of calcutta. Their only misfotune is that they are already christians, and hence no rich church has the evangelicl motivation of helping them.
On the other hand, if you get a chance please go through the work done by Ramakrishna Paramhansa cenetr in calcutta. The same was recently reported in NPR. Not very surprisingly, even the indian media is not aware of that. Just to bring a small contrast in point, this cenetr has changed the face of few slums in the worst crime-ridden parts of calcutta, offering the people there jobs and a permanent voaction. The people whose lives are changed as a result are happy pursuing careers as engineers, musicians etc. They have been doing this for the last 30 years. But alas the center`s director or founder is not going to be given any recognition or money from rich fellows. Oh and yes they do not convert people from one faith to another.
I do not know wheteher teresa could called a saint or not. For many of catholic faiths` saints have had pretty dubious deeds associated with them (mainly in the area of manipulative conversions). But i`m glad if it makes a difference in the lives of people, not their afterlives.
Afios
Thanks for your views on Teresa. Even though I do not agree with her motivations for doing what she did, the poor did get the help nobody else could offer. This is the best aspect of the whole scenario. Western money in the garb of religious conversions and/or charity can easily find its way to most third world countries. As long as some people can actaully change their lives with that, its great. Although its not surprising that millions of homeless + poverty ridden families in the US will never be as lucky as the destitutes of calcutta. Their only misfotune is that they are already christians, and hence no rich church has the evangelicl motivation of helping them.
On the other hand, if you get a chance please go through the work done by Ramakrishna Paramhansa cenetr in calcutta. The same was recently reported in NPR. Not very surprisingly, even the indian media is not aware of that. Just to bring a small contrast in point, this cenetr has changed the face of few slums in the worst crime-ridden parts of calcutta, offering the people there jobs and a permanent voaction. The people whose lives are changed as a result are happy pursuing careers as engineers, musicians etc. They have been doing this for the last 30 years. But alas the center`s director or founder is not going to be given any recognition or money from rich fellows. Oh and yes they do not convert people from one faith to another.
I do not know wheteher teresa could called a saint or not. For many of catholic faiths` saints have had pretty dubious deeds associated with them (mainly in the area of manipulative conversions). But i`m glad if it makes a difference in the lives of people, not their afterlives.
Afios
#14 Posted by DoubleC on May 31, 2004 9:10:30 am
# 3 & #5 by M.B.Z.Isphahani
May i suggest that you spend more money to buy premium dope as your comments make me think that you are smoking cheap dope.
May i suggest that you spend more money to buy premium dope as your comments make me think that you are smoking cheap dope.
#13 Posted by Warlus on May 30, 2004 3:24:33 pm
gujjubania you are a piss talker. That`s all I have to say here.
#12 Posted by Rajat on May 30, 2004 10:07:34 am
re #8: Sridhar
I would rather the whole of India were converted to christianity than be ruled by people like Modi.
I am a trifle puzzled about how Modi comes into this discussion. I know, its is fashionable nowadays to use the Modi stick to beat anybody who has a alternative(read non self-styled-secularist) viewpoint.
Would you rather that the whole of India be ruled by Lalu Prasad, Taslimuddin or would you rather like the entire population to be converted to christianity in that case?
I would rather the whole of India were converted to christianity than be ruled by people like Modi.
I am a trifle puzzled about how Modi comes into this discussion. I know, its is fashionable nowadays to use the Modi stick to beat anybody who has a alternative(read non self-styled-secularist) viewpoint.
Would you rather that the whole of India be ruled by Lalu Prasad, Taslimuddin or would you rather like the entire population to be converted to christianity in that case?
#11 Posted by harimau on May 30, 2004 10:07:34 am
Ref rsridhar #8
[I would rather the whole of India were converted to christianity than be ruled by people like Modi.]
That could be arranged rather easily. Next time you visit Chennai, just visit one of those Assembly of God or Pentacostalist churches. They are all over the place and in your face. There is not even a surgical procedure on a delicate organ involved in the process of conversion.
You could then move to Butterworth Street in Trichy where you have (or, at least had) that rare breed of Iyengar converts to Christianity from the 19th century whose women still wore the 9-yard sari.
[Now, you tell me. Is there a comparison between Modi and Teresa?]
No. The only possible comparison in today`s India is between Sonia Gandhi and Mother Teresa.
[I would rather the whole of India were converted to christianity than be ruled by people like Modi.]
That could be arranged rather easily. Next time you visit Chennai, just visit one of those Assembly of God or Pentacostalist churches. They are all over the place and in your face. There is not even a surgical procedure on a delicate organ involved in the process of conversion.
You could then move to Butterworth Street in Trichy where you have (or, at least had) that rare breed of Iyengar converts to Christianity from the 19th century whose women still wore the 9-yard sari.
[Now, you tell me. Is there a comparison between Modi and Teresa?]
No. The only possible comparison in today`s India is between Sonia Gandhi and Mother Teresa.
#10 Posted by sadna on May 30, 2004 12:03:18 am
````So, the good work that you do is for your own sake?`` I asked. ``The beneficial effect is only incidental, the real purpose is your personal salvation?`` Mother Teresa did not disagree. ``
Bhagavad Gita 17:20-22
(20) Charity given dutifully, irrespective the return, at the proper time and place and to suitable persons - that giving is considered to be of goodness(satvic).
(21) But that which is given desiring a return of some result or with resentment; that giving is understood to be of the mode of passion(rajasic).
(22) That charity which is given at the wrong place, the wrong time and to unworthy persons and as well is given without respect and proper attention - that is said to be in the mode of ignorance(tamasic).
Even if Mother Teresa`s charity was rajasic(desiring her own personal salvation), good for her!
Bhagavad Gita 17:20-22
(20) Charity given dutifully, irrespective the return, at the proper time and place and to suitable persons - that giving is considered to be of goodness(satvic).
(21) But that which is given desiring a return of some result or with resentment; that giving is understood to be of the mode of passion(rajasic).
(22) That charity which is given at the wrong place, the wrong time and to unworthy persons and as well is given without respect and proper attention - that is said to be in the mode of ignorance(tamasic).
Even if Mother Teresa`s charity was rajasic(desiring her own personal salvation), good for her!
#9 Posted by notme on May 29, 2004 6:38:53 pm
Really i think the good mother is overrated-yes she did what she could, but i mean really- i think her contributions are blown out of all proportions.
#8 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on May 29, 2004 4:33:24 pm
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#7 Posted by rsridhar on May 29, 2004 4:33:24 pm
re: this article
A great article on a great personality.
BTW, India gave this great saint Bharat Ratna, the highest Civilian award and a military salute on her death (the only other person to get such a tribute was Mahatma Gandhi).
Her saintliness and compassion are lost on shitty souls like Gujjubania, who is one of the reasons why i have so much problems with India.
Sridhar
A great article on a great personality.
BTW, India gave this great saint Bharat Ratna, the highest Civilian award and a military salute on her death (the only other person to get such a tribute was Mahatma Gandhi).
Her saintliness and compassion are lost on shitty souls like Gujjubania, who is one of the reasons why i have so much problems with India.
Sridhar
#6 Posted by rsridhar on May 29, 2004 4:33:24 pm
re:#4 by gujjubania
`` India needs Microsoft and GE...not Missionaries of Charity...``
India certainly does not need Shitheads like you.
Again, what happened to the JEE dude? YOu seem to be rolling in your papa`s money. When you earn your own money, you will learn to appreciate Mother Teresa who gave up her life in the service of the poor. I feel like kicking your parents` ass for producing such a shitty offspring.
Sridhar
`` India needs Microsoft and GE...not Missionaries of Charity...``
India certainly does not need Shitheads like you.
Again, what happened to the JEE dude? YOu seem to be rolling in your papa`s money. When you earn your own money, you will learn to appreciate Mother Teresa who gave up her life in the service of the poor. I feel like kicking your parents` ass for producing such a shitty offspring.
Sridhar
#5 Posted by rsridhar on May 29, 2004 4:33:24 pm
re:#2 by Rajat
I would rather the whole of India were converted to christianity than be ruled by people like Modi. Now, you tell me. Is there a comparison between Modi and Teresa?
Sridhar
I would rather the whole of India were converted to christianity than be ruled by people like Modi. Now, you tell me. Is there a comparison between Modi and Teresa?
Sridhar
#4 Posted by gujjubania on May 28, 2004 10:56:39 pm
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