Between Musharraf and Mullahs—Who Won?

to : #7 by mumbaikar on January 5, 2004 7:48am PT


are you running some type of paid or unpaid newsteller on chowk?

SAARC SUMMIT

Did the last two attempts on Musharraf`s life by the Kashmiri Jihadis finally got him to fully pull back his support for the Kashmiri Jihadis?

Did the last two attempts on Musharraf`s life by the Kashmiri Jihadis persuade India that Musharraf was indeed not supporting the Kashmiri Jihadis?

May be some one can throw some light on the impact of these attempts on the changed Indo-Pak stance during the Summit.

Media During the SAARC Summit

While both the Indian & Pakistani Governements opted for the quiet behind-the-scene diplomacy - having learnt a few lessons on how the Chinese conduct their sensitive business -

I found the Pakistani media far too excited and immature - as it continued to play on the theme of Kashmir again & again - wanting a resolution of the issue in the 48 hours. Hamid Mir of Geo & Dr Masood of ARY specifically displaying immature interventionist anchor role.

While the Indian media men appeared more mature & impressive - as they openly criticised their own Government on some aspects of the Kashmir issue - and their emphasis being more on the future course and on peace.

A SAARC economic union with safe open borders should automatically take the sting out of the Kashmir issue - but every one needs to wait and keep calm with cold glasses water for some time - just the way the Chinese do.

As for the hardliners, we have Qazi Thakrey & India has Bal Hussain Ahmed.

http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/jan/05inter.htm

``.... If India could be divided on the basis of religion in 1947, why can`t it be similarly divided now? Why is India reluctant about accepting historical facts?.....``

--Qazi Hussain Ahmed, acting president of the Pakistani religious alliance Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal and chief of the Jamait e Islami

Idiots like him run the TNT brigade of Puristan!! With these guys around who needs Osama.

arjun: I don`t believe any Indians came out during Indira Gandhis Emergency to protest..weren`t they all arrested? The only reason Indira Gandhi held elections was because her intelligence sources told her she`d win..

It is amusing to see the learned ambassador write about the horrible duo of mullahs and military. Why do these people have sparks of conscience AFTER having eaten heavily at the trough of favors (read postings, ambassadorships, plots, salaries etc) of the same entities they deride afterwards? When their conscience and courage would have counted, they silently chose to enjoy the perks of life.

It is not simply a Millatry Mulla alliance but rather has a more deeper significance. It is in fact Mulla Millatry Matarrua Alliance. What is Matarruaism? It is a mentality which gives more importance to the land than the people which inhabit it as sons of the soil. It was this very mentality which lead to breaking up of; first, the muslim nation of India and then of Pakistan and is now threatening to breaking it up further. It is phenomenon which requires a deeper study. I may, however, clarify that though it gives rise to the politics of hatred and self-interest it is nevertheless more progressive than the feudalism, which has somewhat the same characteristic of treating the land more important than the human beings, but is less divisive than the Mulla and Matarrua.

Between Musharraf and Mullahs—Who Won?


Niccolo Machiavelli won.

None of you know the secret of `Melting Mullahs`. They were blackmailed to be disqualified for not possessing Graduadion degrees. Their was already a case in the court and petition in Election Commission to disqualify almost 90% of them for having Madrassah degrees which were chaallanged to be not equivalent to BA degree. However, these Madrassah degrees were accepted at the time of Election as an equivalent. So Mullahs were blackmailed - Machiavelli style. Now it is a win-win situation for Musharraf, Mullahs and Pakistan.

if Kargil is any indication -- hopefully the master tactician Musharraf did WIN by stage managing the two bombings as fireworks before his Tajposhi under the tent of the SARC Circus......

otherwise as they say -- sub thaath puRaa ruh jaway gaa jub laad chulay gaa banjaraa...

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The question to ask is why/how did the mullahs win the elections in the NWFP and Balochistan? And/or in other words, Musharaf won the day the election results were announced. This recent ``deal`` was a forgone conclusion. Musharaf won a long time ago.

Re: # 9 arjun_m : ``who is the paki army to go against the wishes of the paki people...``
the Pakistani is everyone to go against the wishes of the paki ppl, who btw dont know what they want themselves only because one army man after the other had hijacked the country and its intellectual growth process to ensure all succeeding generations were witless, dumbos mistaking men in khakis as an answer to the country`s perennial misgovernace problems. However if you look at a history of who ruled the land more, elected ones of couped installed rulers (read army men) it wud be clear where the misgovernance springs from. democracy is not given time enough, in this God Forsaken country, to weed out the remnants of autocratic ruling culture...oh, the elected class of today, itself is a remnant of `generalled` days of yore

The previous article on this topic by F. R. Khan discredited the ARD and its major components PPP and PML (N) parties. This article gives victory to Musharraf. In my opinion, it is nothing more than a hurrah for the victor already firmly standing alone on the podium.

It changes nothing in the eyes of the world, people of Pakistan, establishment of Pakistan and opposition to his dictatorial rule. The question of necessity for MMA to be so interested in a dialogue with Musharraf junta remains unanswered for those who considered MMA an opposition party rather than a `B` team of the military. They already had provincial power in two federal units. They were in no danger of losing it. So why did they negotiate anyway? What were they aiming at? All politics is for power. Their power remains at the same level as before the deal.

The answer is simple. The military mullah alliance that came into existance in 1953 remains intact. Mullahs have been playing in support of military in the form of jihadis, Taliban and destabilizing civilian governments whenever military feels that civilians are becoming too powerful. The side effect of this is sectarian violence which is tolerated as not such a big price for the utility of mullahs in the service of military establishment.

So MMA victory in 2002 elections was as much engineered as those of PML (Q) and NA parties. MMA knows it and when asked to return the favor, they obliged. They put up fake mask of responsible opposition - not to be seen as `B` team - since it is very damaging for public support.

The understanding between Musharraf and MMA existed all along except for a single foreign policy issue which could be explained as no-other-choice necessity. It was all fake for Musharraf to demand too much and in the end negotiating settlement with MMA. Their is nothing unusal in this pre-arranged deal but for the sake of fooling people into believing it as negotiation. You want 4000, you ask for 5000 and after `hard bargaining` settle for 4000 so that MMA does not look `B` team.

One of the component of MMA, Jamaat Ahle Hadees of Sajid Mir is already refusing it and calling MMA leadership as `B` team.

The traitor, cheater, liar, fraud, dictator, usurperer image of Musharraf remains fully intact despite such phony exercises.

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Arjun

I didn`t say that Dems will change the basic policy, instead I said that their modus operendi will be different while US imperialist policy will remain the same. What Bush has done is that he has put a wheel in irreversible and unstopable motion. There are two possible outcomes of his actions. It will either eventually lead the US`s world domination or it may result in total containment of this monster to the North American continent. In order to exit honorably and emerge as a law abiding nation in the world, now US would have to make huge concessions to the rest of the world, which no administration can afford politically. On the other hand it takes an Algiers for DeGauls to emerge. I think dems modus would be more dangerous for the helpless third world nations as compared to that of Bush`s.

The Indian Supreme Court has a similar check on the use of dismissal powers. All Parliamnentry democracies have some form of dismissal powers granted to the Constitutional figure head...wth time the practice falls into disuse. In Pakistan`s case any check or balance is open to abuse as long as you have people who see things in the light of power grabs.

The faujiz have done well. MMA was the faujiz `B Team` anyway and there is little surprise on how easily they capitulated to the demands of the Faujiz.

For now, lets wait till we`re back to square one- ie after Musharaf is gone, lets prepare to start the process all over again. It`ll be fun. : )