Karamatullah K Ghori January 5, 2004
#1 Posted by Urstruly on January 5, 2004 6:29:44 am
Mullah`s have conceded too much to this dictator. As a Muslim and a Pakistani I reject their pact with the devil, and so should every self respecting Pakistani. This is totally unacceptable.
I think military has played its cards well. In case Bush loses election in Nov., he will need partners for his so called war on everything; in that case Mushraf may even plainly refuse to take off his uniform at the end of the year. But if democrats win, the bori bistra of this war on everything will be rolled down and US will adopt a more diplomatic approach towards achiving its imperialistic goals rather than confrontational one. In that case the some of Bush`s so called partners in crime will have to go. Musharaf is one of them. In that case Musharaf will start wearing sherwani at the end of the year and keep committing crimes against his own people to obey puppet-masters` will. Either way Pakistan is fcuked.
I think military has played its cards well. In case Bush loses election in Nov., he will need partners for his so called war on everything; in that case Mushraf may even plainly refuse to take off his uniform at the end of the year. But if democrats win, the bori bistra of this war on everything will be rolled down and US will adopt a more diplomatic approach towards achiving its imperialistic goals rather than confrontational one. In that case the some of Bush`s so called partners in crime will have to go. Musharaf is one of them. In that case Musharaf will start wearing sherwani at the end of the year and keep committing crimes against his own people to obey puppet-masters` will. Either way Pakistan is fcuked.
#2 Posted by aaisha on January 5, 2004 7:48:18 am
B/w Mullahs and Mush, it`s the people of the Islamic republic of Pakistan who have lost.
#3 Posted by arjun_m on January 5, 2004 7:48:18 am
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#4 Posted by Inquirer on January 5, 2004 7:48:18 am
I just returned from India after a trip for two months. Therefore, I am somewhat disconnected with the political atmosphere here. But I noted the definite positive trend between India and Pakistan. Let us hope it continues in prudent ways.
Returning to the subject at hand, I believe it is good and hopeful sign the the recidivist elements often included in the MMA type of parties are getting the well deserved defeats against Gen. Musharraf. While the military dictators are not the ideal way for a democratic nation, under the circumstances in Pakistan, some coercion of religious fanatics is almost necessary. Islamic masjids are far behind other religious institutions in the world in developing the fair, modernized, positive and constructive approach toward the emotional states generally attributed to religions.
The wisdom and love of Gen Musharraf for the Pakistani population will be tested in spearheading paths which gradually lead to a responsible form of governance in Pakistan. This will emerge more from the control of personal aggrandisement than megalomaniac overemphasis on individual solution to national problems. A prudent investment in a relevant checks and balances system will lead to rational development of Pakistan.
Returning to the subject at hand, I believe it is good and hopeful sign the the recidivist elements often included in the MMA type of parties are getting the well deserved defeats against Gen. Musharraf. While the military dictators are not the ideal way for a democratic nation, under the circumstances in Pakistan, some coercion of religious fanatics is almost necessary. Islamic masjids are far behind other religious institutions in the world in developing the fair, modernized, positive and constructive approach toward the emotional states generally attributed to religions.
The wisdom and love of Gen Musharraf for the Pakistani population will be tested in spearheading paths which gradually lead to a responsible form of governance in Pakistan. This will emerge more from the control of personal aggrandisement than megalomaniac overemphasis on individual solution to national problems. A prudent investment in a relevant checks and balances system will lead to rational development of Pakistan.
#5 Posted by mumbaikar on January 5, 2004 7:48:19 am
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#6 Posted by rozaiba on January 5, 2004 7:48:19 am
The faujiz have done well. MMA was the faujiz `B Team` anyway and there is little surprise on how easily they capitulated to the demands of the Faujiz.
For now, lets wait till we`re back to square one- ie after Musharaf is gone, lets prepare to start the process all over again. It`ll be fun. : )
For now, lets wait till we`re back to square one- ie after Musharaf is gone, lets prepare to start the process all over again. It`ll be fun. : )
#7 Posted by Zakkk on January 5, 2004 7:48:19 am
The Indian Supreme Court has a similar check on the use of dismissal powers. All Parliamnentry democracies have some form of dismissal powers granted to the Constitutional figure head...wth time the practice falls into disuse. In Pakistan`s case any check or balance is open to abuse as long as you have people who see things in the light of power grabs.
#8 Posted by Urstruly on January 5, 2004 7:59:41 am
Arjun
I didn`t say that Dems will change the basic policy, instead I said that their modus operendi will be different while US imperialist policy will remain the same. What Bush has done is that he has put a wheel in irreversible and unstopable motion. There are two possible outcomes of his actions. It will either eventually lead the US`s world domination or it may result in total containment of this monster to the North American continent. In order to exit honorably and emerge as a law abiding nation in the world, now US would have to make huge concessions to the rest of the world, which no administration can afford politically. On the other hand it takes an Algiers for DeGauls to emerge. I think dems modus would be more dangerous for the helpless third world nations as compared to that of Bush`s.
#9 Posted by arjun_m on January 5, 2004 8:43:04 am
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#10 Posted by SameerJB on January 5, 2004 1:11:27 pm
The previous article on this topic by F. R. Khan discredited the ARD and its major components PPP and PML (N) parties. This article gives victory to Musharraf. In my opinion, it is nothing more than a hurrah for the victor already firmly standing alone on the podium.
It changes nothing in the eyes of the world, people of Pakistan, establishment of Pakistan and opposition to his dictatorial rule. The question of necessity for MMA to be so interested in a dialogue with Musharraf junta remains unanswered for those who considered MMA an opposition party rather than a `B` team of the military. They already had provincial power in two federal units. They were in no danger of losing it. So why did they negotiate anyway? What were they aiming at? All politics is for power. Their power remains at the same level as before the deal.
The answer is simple. The military mullah alliance that came into existance in 1953 remains intact. Mullahs have been playing in support of military in the form of jihadis, Taliban and destabilizing civilian governments whenever military feels that civilians are becoming too powerful. The side effect of this is sectarian violence which is tolerated as not such a big price for the utility of mullahs in the service of military establishment.
So MMA victory in 2002 elections was as much engineered as those of PML (Q) and NA parties. MMA knows it and when asked to return the favor, they obliged. They put up fake mask of responsible opposition - not to be seen as `B` team - since it is very damaging for public support.
The understanding between Musharraf and MMA existed all along except for a single foreign policy issue which could be explained as no-other-choice necessity. It was all fake for Musharraf to demand too much and in the end negotiating settlement with MMA. Their is nothing unusal in this pre-arranged deal but for the sake of fooling people into believing it as negotiation. You want 4000, you ask for 5000 and after `hard bargaining` settle for 4000 so that MMA does not look `B` team.
One of the component of MMA, Jamaat Ahle Hadees of Sajid Mir is already refusing it and calling MMA leadership as `B` team.
The traitor, cheater, liar, fraud, dictator, usurperer image of Musharraf remains fully intact despite such phony exercises.
#11 Posted by aaisha on January 5, 2004 1:11:28 pm
Re: # 9 arjun_m : ``who is the paki army to go against the wishes of the paki people...``
the Pakistani is everyone to go against the wishes of the paki ppl, who btw dont know what they want themselves only because one army man after the other had hijacked the country and its intellectual growth process to ensure all succeeding generations were witless, dumbos mistaking men in khakis as an answer to the country`s perennial misgovernace problems. However if you look at a history of who ruled the land more, elected ones of couped installed rulers (read army men) it wud be clear where the misgovernance springs from. democracy is not given time enough, in this God Forsaken country, to weed out the remnants of autocratic ruling culture...oh, the elected class of today, itself is a remnant of `generalled` days of yore
the Pakistani is everyone to go against the wishes of the paki ppl, who btw dont know what they want themselves only because one army man after the other had hijacked the country and its intellectual growth process to ensure all succeeding generations were witless, dumbos mistaking men in khakis as an answer to the country`s perennial misgovernace problems. However if you look at a history of who ruled the land more, elected ones of couped installed rulers (read army men) it wud be clear where the misgovernance springs from. democracy is not given time enough, in this God Forsaken country, to weed out the remnants of autocratic ruling culture...oh, the elected class of today, itself is a remnant of `generalled` days of yore
#12 Posted by baaghiraja on January 5, 2004 1:11:28 pm
The question to ask is why/how did the mullahs win the elections in the NWFP and Balochistan? And/or in other words, Musharaf won the day the election results were announced. This recent ``deal`` was a forgone conclusion. Musharaf won a long time ago.
#13 Posted by arjun_m on January 5, 2004 4:08:24 pm
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#14 Posted by nasah on January 5, 2004 4:08:24 pm
if Kargil is any indication -- hopefully the master tactician Musharraf did WIN by stage managing the two bombings as fireworks before his Tajposhi under the tent of the SARC Circus......
otherwise as they say -- sub thaath puRaa ruh jaway gaa jub laad chulay gaa banjaraa...
otherwise as they say -- sub thaath puRaa ruh jaway gaa jub laad chulay gaa banjaraa...
#15 Posted by anew on January 5, 2004 8:51:43 pm
Between Musharraf and Mullahs—Who Won?
Niccolo Machiavelli won.
None of you know the secret of `Melting Mullahs`. They were blackmailed to be disqualified for not possessing Graduadion degrees. Their was already a case in the court and petition in Election Commission to disqualify almost 90% of them for having Madrassah degrees which were chaallanged to be not equivalent to BA degree. However, these Madrassah degrees were accepted at the time of Election as an equivalent. So Mullahs were blackmailed - Machiavelli style. Now it is a win-win situation for Musharraf, Mullahs and Pakistan.
#16 Posted by teshah on January 5, 2004 8:51:43 pm
It is not simply a Millatry Mulla alliance but rather has a more deeper significance. It is in fact Mulla Millatry Matarrua Alliance. What is Matarruaism? It is a mentality which gives more importance to the land than the people which inhabit it as sons of the soil. It was this very mentality which lead to breaking up of; first, the muslim nation of India and then of Pakistan and is now threatening to breaking it up further. It is phenomenon which requires a deeper study. I may, however, clarify that though it gives rise to the politics of hatred and self-interest it is nevertheless more progressive than the feudalism, which has somewhat the same characteristic of treating the land more important than the human beings, but is less divisive than the Mulla and Matarrua.
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