What is the Matrix?

Collectively talking, a good article. Using Matrix in one`s own way
Writer`s words
``directed to making``
Fourth form of verb after ``to``, Is it allowed in English?
Why only my error come to the eyes.

Farhan,

Interesting.

This article reminded me of a line from the movie The Matrix: ``Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that was seemed real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?``

In secular, not religious, terms, we are all like slaughtered chickens running around blindly and having no sense of purpose or even destiny.

I hope that someday something within man will awaken him to himself, and that one day this man will find his destiny, and who he is. And the day when man discovers himself, he will also discover as a necessary corrollary what his destiny is.

Take care.

We are being prepared for a Next Stage......



.....and believe me or Not As it does not matters..


...buts its from my personal experience.....

It`s elementary my dear SoulKeeper! I won`t go into the details of the creation of the Universe because honestly speaking from a sceintific point of view I`m not quite erudite in this subject. But what I do know and believe in is that we are human beings; a very superior ape with a powerful brain. We gave life to the lifeless, we used Nature, manipulated it and harnessed its powers. We know our limits. With all of these technological advancements we are also making ourselves vulnerable to the basic emotion of Fear. The more we learn the more complicated it gets, and it is this complication that is a challenge for some and a hindrance for others. To overcome it we need a resolute determination and sufficient knowledge to crack every code, to solve every problem. Our purpose is to exist on this planet, because we are here. And we are existing in a very, very extraordinary manner... IF you think of us as just a race of extremely intelligent apes! :-)

What do you think?

- M.F

Farhan:

Is there a purpose of human existence? (outside how it is defined by relegion, that is)

Curious,

SoulKeeper

ironman:

Going deeper...

Can `deep thinking` free me from the matrix (of my conditioning) ?

Is `thought` the tool ?

I think it depends on how strongly you believe in your new concept of reality.

Don`t THINK you are, KNOW you are! :-]

Azure:

Like any revolutionary personality, he broke through the tradional ways of thoughts and processes and brought forth an idea that was ahead of its time.

He helped form a new perception of looking at the world. That is what other Sufis have encouraged to do as well.

`` The Matrix gives you a choice though, to be the devils advocate or to play good guy. But whatever your choice might be, you`re still a prisoner of the Matrix, someone who has no control over himself and is actions. ``



.........God has created the whole universe...and he gave choice to mankind....either to follow the path of goodness....or evil......( Every religion/every school of thought says the same thing...) .....


so question..? `` Is God ``the Matrix`` or Matrix `TheGod`` or ....some one imagination inspired by watching the movie`s trilogy `` The Matrix ``......


....still trying to Find `` The One ``.....


...........It is Said in the Holy Books .....`` I am so near to you ....you cannot imagine how near I am...``

...so again `Question`` Do we Live in ` GOD``...


.....Scientist have Identified four Actual forces ......and Dr Abdus Salam got Noble Prize when he sort of Proved....the two of them are actually One...
.... a bit closer to the Unified Theory ......

......So Again Quesiton .......Are we trying to Identify God as a Physical manifestion....or at least as a understandable concept in terms of Force.....ie ..Is God .....`` The Force ..``


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......any brainstroming....!!!!!

Azure #26,

Again a good post from you.

``That too depends upon initial conditioning, the things the child learns at school, his parent`s stress on religion. Less exposure to knowledge, satisfaction with what is and not wanting more answers, and a feeling of superiority through strength of inner faith are some of the factors that make a person adamant and unshakable in his beliefs.Inquisitive and curious people usually venture into the `forbidden` and play with their own beliefs to find answers that have bothered them for sometime but have been looking for the tools to solve the problems, tools which they eventually find through sufficient learning. The other type of people who are not of the questioning type, don`t usually take interest in research and extraneous cerebration over things which are apparently beyond their reach and which according to them are irrelevant. So I think the trait varies in individuals.``


So we agree that people having `strength of inner faith` are the ones who are neither inquisitive nor curious.

These are the most `matrixed` people...who are not aware of their conditioning.

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What we see is that this early childhood conditioning (as you correctly describe it), becomes a part of our psyche, our identity...it does not remain an abstract piece of knowledge.

In other words hinduism becomes a part of ME...like my arms and legs. I can no longer detach it as I can my body parts from me.

A joke about flying monkeys becomes a `personal` affront.

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Going deeper...

Can `deep thinking` free me from the matrix (of my conditioning) ?

Is `thought` the tool ?

ironman:

That too depends upon initial conditioning, the things the child learns at school, his parent`s stress on religion. Less exposure to knowledge, satisfaction with what is and not wanting more answers, and a feeling of superiority through strength of inner faith are some of the factors that make a person adamant and unshakable in his beliefs. Inquisitive and curious people usually venture into the `forbidden` and play with their own beliefs to find answers that have bothered them for sometime but have been looking for the tools to solve the problems, tools which they eventually find through sufficient learning. The other type of people who are not of the questioning type, don`t usually take interest in research and extraneous cerebration over things which are apparently beyond their reach and which according to them are irrelevant. So I think the trait varies in individuals.


rozaiba:

Hmm... What did the Prophet break through?

Azure:

Of course preachiness stinks. From my understanding of mystics- who seemingly have broken from the matrix and have come back into it, the reason for coming back is the challenge to help others see a different perspective with the understanding that each person thinks and perceives according to their own individual capacities.

The tales of Mulla Nasirudin are meant to assist in breaking down the normal patterns of thought and perception imposed on us. Some say the Sufis could easily have preached rather than have hidden messages in the comical character and tales of Nasiruddin.

One cannot call Sultan Bahu or Mian Muhammad Bux`s poetry as preachiness. Those are words that are meant to show `the other side` but in a form better recognized by the average joe but with the knowledge that it won`t necessarily be understood by all- because as you point out

``So it is, in a way, foolish to tell everyone about something which is totally incomprehensible to the ordinary mind which never had any exposure to a different reality.``

Among others, the Prophet is seen as a person who came back after breaking through. :)

``We`re born with it man. And our belief, our faith is formed and strengthen by soceital influence, initial parental care and teaching, and the first things we learn about the world the moment we open our eyes and become truly conscious of our surroundings. A mother is the prime source of a childs primary education; her lap is where he learns the basics about his parents` religion, which he eventually has to adopt. He doesn`t have a choice in the beginning because he has no knowledge! What is pushed into his mind is what he is willing to believe, anything foreign would be considered hostile. With time and gradual learning he gets his own freedom, and only then he can make a choice, IF he really is free from all fear. And then he can say that Yes, I am a Muslim or I am a Hindu by my own personal consent!``

Azure, bravo! five stars to you.

But please explain: ``With time and gradual learning he gets his own freedom``.

99.99999% of hindus, muslims, christains, sikhs,etc prefer to stay in their childhood religion. How do you reconcile this fact with your theory of `gradual freedom`?

rozaiba:

Those many conspiracy theory sites on the internet and other literature written by disgruntled rebellious authors use the concept of the matrix in a really twisted way. But one point that everyone stresses on is that the one who breaks free from the matrix should not tell others that he has done so, neither should he go preaching around about the evils of the matrix. That is quite contrary to the analogy of a person seeing the world outside the cave and telling his friends about it. Instead, if we change that very analogy we could say that the escapee comes back in the cave, doesn`t tell his friends anything and returns to the free world outside. So it is, in a way, foolish to tell everyone about something which is totally incomprehensible to the ordinary mind which never had any exposure to a different reality.

I`ve read about sufi saints and mystics hiding in forests or other secluded places where they cannot be disturbed and can stay tuned with the Almighty in their own solitude. Is this selfishness? Or is this their way to tell people of how important freeing oneself from this materialistic world is? Religion encourages preaching, asceticism doesn`t, in my opinion.


ironman:

We`re born with it man. And our belief, our faith is formed and strengthen by soceital influence, initial parental care and teaching, and the first things we learn about the world the moment we open our eyes and become truly conscious of our surroundings. A mother is the prime source of a childs primary education; her lap is where he learns the basics about his parents` religion, which he eventually has to adopt. He doesn`t have a choice in the beginning because he has no knowledge! What is pushed into his mind is what he is willing to believe, anything foreign would be considered hostile. With time and gradual learning he gets his own freedom, and only then he can make a choice, IF he really is free from all fear. And then he can say that Yes, I am a Muslim or I am a Hindu by my own personal consent!

Azure,

``Religion though contributes a lot in supporting the Matrix, it does not inhibit completely a persons freedom of choice and his determination. To use Religion is tool for control over the masses is not right... religion is for the individual alone... personal faith.``

Sometime back I asked Urstruly a question. I`d like to ask you the same.

I`m a hindu and you are a muslim.
Are we so...by exercising our freedom of choice?

Urstruly said `yes`.

What do you think?

Azure:

You were reading Plato`s Republic I recall. Two quick points.

1) Remeber the analogy of the cave. Those who break free and are able to see the world from a different perception, when they come back and tell the others inside the cave of a different world, will be thought of as totally crazy.

2) Mystics say that the true challenge is not to merely become free from the confines of the structured patterns of society. But it is to become free of it and help show others this freedom.

Azure,
Thanks for clearing that up to Urstruly.