What Was There Before the Big Bang?

oops...a right post in a wrong place...

Another great article on issues related to that great question we: What is everything? Actually, we seem to be able to go back with good confidence to about 280,000 after the Big Bang (and as I mentioned on the previous board on this subject, the COBE telescope has even taken a picture of the universe when it was a mere child of that age). Clearly one cannot envisage a Big Bang without thinking in terms of other dimensions (per the string theory), and as such we will probably hear a lot more in the years ahead of the last theory you mention. Since progress in testing the predictions of string theory will help accept or reject the implications as well - including what happened ``before`` (if one can talk of ``before`` for clashes of branes that took place before the start of time itself) the Big Bang.

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Inquirer #4,

Gill saab, Reading you earlier articles, I used to think that you`re at the very limit of those topics that chowk brainpower can handle. Never imagined you`d go even further ;)


``The fundamental error in the whole shabang is the conception of time as a real variable.
There is no reality in time, i.e., time does not correspond to any thing physical. Time is a mental construct, unlike pressure.``


No doubt...the concept of time is inextricably linked to memory (mind). Only something which has memory has a concept of time.

Question is, does the universe have memory? Does it remember a previous state??

If it does, then time is real for the universe.

I believe this question is answered by the entropy principle. The universe seems to prefer going from less entropy to more. Therefore it does `remember` its previous state...and therefore `time` is a real variable for it !

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Now, is entropy itself a `real` variable...and not simply a mathematical construct?

Is the concept of ``time`` even valid ``before`` the big bang?

We need some serious discussion here over the nature of ``reality`` itself...

Dear Inquirer, I apologize if I was not polite in the earlier email.
What irritated me about your earlier post was the total incoherence
of what you were saying. It seemed like you have come up with
another crackpot theory like so many other people who email the
physics newsgroups.

I do know a little bit about relativity and that is the reason without
even knowing the details of your theory I am almost completely
convinced that its not a scientific theory. I would appreciate it if
you can explain your theory in a bit more detail. Thanks.

What is north of the North Pole?

#7, plancherel:
****Inquirer, Care to expand a little on the nonsense about quasi-interacting equilibria? ****

If you need information you need to be polite.

****Time is measured using a real variable, is a concrete physical quantity which mixed up with spatial directions thanks to special relativity. Many experiments have confirmed special relativity to a many decimal places. ****

Have you tried to contrast time and pressure as I indicated? Have you studied relativity? Regurgitating wont help.

****Your statement ``objective reality in terms of interacting equilibria, each one of which is inherently unstable`` may confuse a lay person into believing that you know something but is essentially a meaningless collection of words.****

If you are convinced, then why do you want expansion?

Inquirer, Care to expand a little on the nonsense about quasi-interacting equilibria?
Time is measured using a real variable, is a concrete physical quantity which mixed up with spatial directions thanks to special relativity. Many experiments have confirmed special relativity to a many decimal places.

Your statement ``objective reality in terms of interacting equilibria, each one of which is inherently unstable`` may confuse a lay person into believing that you know something but is essentially a meaningless collection of words.

Yaar Momammad bhai this was very long winded! We both fell asleep but then Right started to snore which woke me up… anywhoslebees...

Einstein was asked the question, “What was there before the big bang and what sudden event caused the singularity to be disrupted to put time in forward motion?” He replied, “God snapped his fingers”. This statement of course threw into a tizzy all sorts of theologicians who started yelling from the rooftops that the world’s greatest scientist had acknowledged the existence of god. Years later Einstein would explain that his tongue in cheek comment was intended to simply mean that he did not have an answer to that question. Just as you say “God knows”, when you really mean “I don’t know”.

The answers to the questions that surround us that are inadequately explained by existing science will always be ascribed to some higher being. When man did not know jack squat every thing in our existence including the winds, the tides, the sun and the moon were ascribed to some higher power. Thousands of years ago even the wisest man on the planet thought that the earth was the center of the universe. Today a Kindergartener knows the earth’s place in the solar system.

Of course there will always be the unexplained and the unfathomable. We will never be able to perceive and articulate four mutually perpendicular axes let alone eleven. We will never be able to fully comprehend infinity. We will never be able to arrive at a static morality and we will never be able to grapple with the workings of probability. So god will be around forever. As a necessary crutch.

Now I must put forth a Dennis Miller disclaimer and say that this is just my opinion and I could be wrong. My despicable twin Right seems to disagree with me on these issues like most others. He’s a creationist, thinks male on male sex is an abomination (he doesn’t mind girl on girl action), and believes in afterlife. And none of this deters him from being an alcoholic, a porn addict and a compulsive masturbater!

Regards,

Left.

``What was there before the big bang?``

The question is meaningless and deserves to be treated as such. Thus, no need for the above discussion!

The fundamental error in the whole shabang is the conception of time as a real variable.
There is no reality in time, i.e., time does not correspond to any thing physical. Time is a mental construct, unlike pressure.

Time is merely a shortcut for description of physical phenomena. It is CONVENIENT to use the term but most people, including physicists (!), start taking the chimera for reality.

There is an intimate connection between time and energy but that is merely formal not substantive.

We need to learn to describe the objective reality in terms of interacting equilibria, each one of which is inherently unstable. Thus, the whole universe is relly an interplay between quasi-equilibria.

Okay,

How about just another universe? The impulse-wave symbol is so prevalent throughout the universe, be it the 5 year economical cycles to the rise and fall of civilsations to the waves in a pond to the waves of eletromagnetic radiation, to the rise and fall of animal species...

Umer M.

Q: What Was There Before The Big Bang?
A: A couple of big djinns probably

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Dr. Hoodboy care to help Dr. Gill?

Mr Gill,

You ask, `What Was There Before the Big Bang.`

Answer. A Patel Corner shop.

Umer M.

Gill sahib, chhaddo parey..eh kehRay chakkar ch paye ge je? article te article..... retirement da maza maano baadshao... khao peeyO aish karo..dil par kisay da dukhayeO na....
baaki jo houooo........howeyyyyy.:-)