Bravo!

old news...nothing will happen...we all know how things work in the land of strip-mujras

During my early morning walks in a nearby park I noticed one Dog would follow walkers oblivious of this following- I always wondered . One day I saw him confronting another Dog who became confused and cautious of that Dog because he thought that the man in the front was his owner and would be protecting him.
It is this pretense that the mullahs and preachers of morality adopt- who think that following religion like that Dog would confuse the others to think that they are being protected by the powerful God whom they follow. That dog was smart and so are these mullahs. Ali Haider should stop being afraid of these pretenders.

``..the country for whose glory I have worked for the duration of 15 years..``

hahaha!!! that`s the biggest laugh ever!
**
seriously, an interesting article. i for one pray that the deobandi-wahabi nexus of the MMA does not come into power to bring wahabism to pakistan. i know i supported MMA in the past but that was when Mawlana Noorani sahib was alive. He was the Sunni holding the extremist innovators in check. Now i hope that Nawaz/Shabaz Sharif and PML(N) can come back into power insha Allah . The Ahle Sunnat are throwing their weight behind them now. A meeting between Shabaz Sharif and the Sunni ulama took place in london this weekend. Our ulama have pledged to support Shabaz Sharif --as he is a sahih ul aqidah sunni--and help the PML(N) back to power and to do their utmost to stop the MMA from winning in pakistan. all patriots should join this effort. after all Mian Nawaz Sharif is the real elected leader of pakistan till he was overthrown in a coup...

**
if the wahabis win ali haider and co can expect more of the same...what one does in one`s own house is private..even in the shariat...such intrusions not allowed...

Am`r bil maroof wa nahi an`il munkir

I am disappointed that only nazim and few of his associates came barging into their apratment. Allah has bestowed authority on every Musla to work for the things he likes and stop the things prohibited.....what a golden opportunity missed by Karachiites to earn points for jannah..in the absence of Taliban such opportunities are allah swa`s blessings for the failthfuls to accumulate sawab by stopping vice behavior..if this was happened at chowk, farangi_kush, ecoboom and anew would have shown the world what true Musla means....:))

ali haider`s statement does sound like that of one cowering out. `tera tera mera mera pakistan`. guess he won`t be singing that much more.

Very kinky! I am just wondering what role was Ali Haider playing in that three-some.

ali haider is a phattoo... but where, mr.paracha, is the nazims point of view, published in the same pages youve got ali haiders italicised quotes from?

Nadeem

Thanks for simple English. (Are you from Bhera?)

I fully agree with you. But I see a flicker of hope (liberal society) in future.

My hope is based on the following:

MQM`s strong anti-Mulla stance.
A large pro-PPP following in the country.
Indo-Pak normalization & liberal influence. More marginalization of extremist religious forces.
May be Pak Army is now turning less fundo - bitter Al Qaeda, Jaish, Lashkar experiences.
Worlwide distaste for extremism/intolerance.

Such isolated incidents will continue to take place - but the forces of sanity are on the increase and are getting more forceful & vocal.

Unlike the Zia era, the press is relatively independent today. With so many news channels and newspapers, its hard for public officials to avoid scrutiny. Thanks to the media, we now have a relatively even playing field in which both sides of the story can be heard.

I agree with Naqasbandi`s comment

``..the country for whose glory I have worked for the duration of 15 years..``

hahaha!!! that`s the biggest laugh ever.

What do I think,

Yes Id tend to agree with NFP on this occasion. I mean I think Ali should have had enough balls to actually try and stand up against the system, fake as it may be.

Howver IM not one to ever support drinking. I dont do it myself and I dont thinkthat any body else should be allowed the poriviledge in Pakistan. Its an anti-islamic activity in an Islamic state, something that in principle, shouldnt be happening

ciao

Cheesoo:

Phattoo is a dirty word (the ``phaTna`` refers to the tearing apart of a certain opening in the back) and comes as a surprise from the lips of a namaazi, parhezgaar, paaband-e-saum-o-salaat woman like yourself. There is no use calling names like that to Ali Haider or anyone else. Please feel free to post the nazim`s view. I would like to read it, and then we will discuss this whole thing. okay?


There are several very separate issues at work here:

First is the ban on alcohol. I am against a ban on alcohol, but I also understand that such a ban is not something peculiarly evil in this world; just like I don`t think hijab enforcement is uniquely wrong. A ban on alcohol is not any different from a ban on marijuana in the US. Yet, there is an army of ``secularists`` out there who point fingers at Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for restricting the freedom of having a drink, yet don`t have half the rage against an American government that jails you for having a joint.

I will pose the same question about Hijab. It will be good if we, the self-proclaimed standard bearers of freedom question ourselves once in a while. Why is enforcing a hijab a bad thing? How is it any different from enforcing a ban on nudity? In my mind, there is little difference between the two. In both cases, the government is enforcing a cultural norm, that is informed by religion. Yet Saudi Arabia gets regular rounds of condemnation in our ``secular`` circles ever so often, and the nudity ban is not even registered.

My stand on both issues is clear. I say, that any norm, or law that needs the crutch of religion to stand on its feet, does not need to be there altogether.

The second issue:

Is the government justified in barging in on an apartment based on a neighbor`s complaint? I see this turning into a situation like the blasphemy law, where vendettas will be settled through accusations of ``bad-qumaashi`` and ``fahhaashi`` inside people`s homes. It`s quite literally a Patriot Act like situation, where the Patriotism Police -- the local jamaati -- can decide if you are patriotic or not, lodge a complaint and get the police into your house: without a warrant. It should trouble everyone regardless of their religious persuasion.

Some people would remember the Lawrence vs Texas case that the Supreme Court decided last year, in which the police intruded upon a homosexual couple`s home and arrested them under sodomy laws. Thankfully, the judiciary is still defending liberty, despite George Bush`s tirades and threats of constitutional amendments. The US Supreme Court, in an historical decision that is worth reading in its entirity, threw the government`s case out.

Finally:
People are being too hard on Ali Haider. Unlike us drawing room secularists and net jihadis, the man has to live in the real world, and cannot afford to be as brave as we pretend to be. His is a predictable, understandable response. Cut him some slack, even if his music is terrible.

=== Interact Filtered ===
view this users filtered interacts

`` I dont do it myself and I dont thinkthat any body else should be allowed the poriviledge in Pakistan. Its an anti-islamic activity in an Islamic state, something that in principle, shouldnt be happening ``

How is drinking an anti-Islamic activity? Does drinking destroy Islam? What about other anti-Islamic activities? Let`s see ... men playing hockey in shorts, women going around without hijab, men and women going to the same school. Someone else will come and include masturbation, oral sex in the list; still another will include the use of birth control devices like a condom. Where do you draw the line? Do you think all these things should be outlawed, and people arrested for doing them?

Yaar no one is asking you to SUPPORT drinking. You can oppose drinking as much as you want; more power to you. But even if you condemn their choice to drink, you should support their right to make that choice on their own. Otherwise you cannot expect others to uphold your right to make similar choices, like wearing a Hijab in France.

Right now you`re eager to proscribe the right -- yes, right and not priviledge -- to drink even in his own home. Very soon someone else will be ready to usurp your rights to do things that you consider ``Islamic``.

On a more general note...

Drinking is not the only sin in Islam. There are many other sins that go on without anyone raving and ranting about them. Let`s take bribery. You`ll see an occasional perfunctory condemnation, but there is a general sense of resigned acceptance of bribery in our society. And I will argue that bribery is a much worse crime than drinking is; both on secular and religious grounds. The angry vigilantism of Jamaati gangs is targeted at hotels and clubs, at artists, actors, models, or people who choose to take a drink, or people who fall in love. Yet it spares those who give bribes, take bribes, embezzle, or commit fraud. Why is the worst wrath of these people reserved for ``crimes`` that are victimless ?

``....Yet it spares those who give bribes, take bribes, embezzle, or commit fraud. Why is the worst wrath of these people reserved for ``crimes`` that are victimless ?``

That is the beauty of mullahism- selectivity in observence of Islamic principles- it is alright till you allow these very mullahs to enjoy the company of the lollywood hooris- the moment they are deprived of it - they would not hesitate to kill you.

I have always wondered what is the punishment for masterbation in other religions. Can anybody enlighten what is the punishment in Hindu mythology??