The Nuclear Noose Around Pakistan’s Neck

post 133 - I think they did - if you trace some of thge papers produced by the people there you can see that there is evidence of this.

Mr. Malik99 #134 could please mention who are the lions. Thank you
Pakistan may act like a rat in the West because it needs their aid also because the West is several centuries ahead of the entire Muslim world. In some places women aren`t even treated as equal citizens. So when that is the case, a society cannot flourish because half of the population is sitting home. ok

pmishra, stuka, soysauce
The grand cover up continues:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6915-2004Feb2.html

``The commission that President Bush will appoint to investigate the failures of prewar intelligence on Iraq will also review the CIA`s misjudgments about weapons programs in Iran, Libya and North Korea, administration officials said yesterday.

Bush said the nine-member panel -- which White House officials said would include current and former officials with experience in intelligence matters -- will ``look at our war against proliferation and weapons of mass destruction, kind of in a broader context.``

Although the secret weapons programs of Iraq, Iran, Libya, North Korea and Pakistan have long been a top concern of U.S. national security officials, the intelligence agencies have missed critical weapons developments in each country. Administration officials have found themselves surprised at recent disclosures about nuclear weapons programs in Iran, Libya and North Korea. And the intelligence community was caught off guard when Pakistan tested a nuclear device in 1998. ``

!!! Caught off guard though they keep prosing on and on about how the US nobly prevented a nuclear attack on India in 1990!

It appears Reagan`s, Papa Bush`s and Papa Bush`s good CIA friends` legacies need to be protected in the election year by an enquiry committee filled with `past and present intelligence officials` who played along obediently till now.

gn #121 ``Indian economy is 11-12 times Pak economy and grows at a rate of 8%. ``

Good, good. The more the indian economy grows, the better it is for pakistan.

What a soap opera of Nuclear proliferation going on.

Here enters the quiet, short and fat guy living next door to the the Hero(AQK) and the nakhrilo heroine(Mushy)... kiya entry maari hai China ne...

``We have taken note of the report. We hope Pakistan will properly handle this issue,`` Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Zhang Qiyue, told reporters in a cryptic response.

All this is very humiliating. Fotunately it got hidden behind the super-bowl and flashing by janet jackson coverage in the US. The most interesting this is that in all the interacts, no one has shown surprise! This news even has made it to out-of-job telecom enggs discussing outsourcing on lightreading.com. I feel kind of humiliated..the west is saying this is what desis do with outsourcing.

http://www.lightreading.com/boards/message.asp?msg_id=96027

stuka #132 Granted. There is no shortage of independant thinkers in india, just as there is none in pakistan.

Trouble is there is no shortage of unthinking parrots either - whether it is parrots mouthing some ideology (religous, nationalistic) in pakistan or in india as one can see on chowk. Try to have a reasoned discussion with them, and they either get into the ``fight or flight`` syndrome (i.e. argue with deaf ears and/or write personal insults, or if that doesnt work, to simply disappear from the chowk board in order to argue some other day).

We have so many parrots on chowk we could start a parrot shop.

A commentator in The Nation wonders why Musharraf has been so cooperative with the U.S. effort to hold Khan accountable.

``Why it is so that the general who shows fists to the opposition in the parliament, has become so nervous that he is not prepared to face the situation and instead seems to have become a part of the international press campaign against Pakistan`s nuclear programme.``

Musharraf shows his power on his own people. In front of west, he is nothing but a rat. A rat has become the leader of lions. Such is the state of modern Pakistan.

#80 Alephnul,
I don`t know what the technical hurdles are as far as centrifuges are concerned. A laboratory ultracentrifuge - the kind they have, say, at IISc, bangalore, is capable of 100K rpm. Of course these are liquid centrifuges & may be the difficulty is in rigging up something that can centrifuge a gaseous sample. There was also another method attemped to enrich uranium exploting the fact that the atomic absorption spectra of U-235 & U-238 are slightly different. BARC was actually building a laser that could be tuned to the absorption band of either of these atoms. The laser (copper-vapor laser) was commerically available in the west but was prohibited for sale to india. BARC people had to begin at the beginning starting at the fabrication of the optics. Don`t know if that project went anywhere.

TAhmed:

``It speaks mountains for the independent minded people we have in pakistan (compare this to the ``party line`` parrots of bjp on this board, e.g.). ``

Why compare to this board, compare him to Arundhati Roy types who we would like to hang more. At least Hoodbhoy does not smilingly get photos clicked with Bal Thakeray and Pravin Togadia. Arundhati Roy does that with Hamid Gul.

xerox khan stole designs from netherlands...no wonder he`d screw pakistan too in the end...

When the Heros fall. It hurt`s and minds are crossroads, to accept or reject the evidence. Reality hurts and probably thats why Mohammed (PBUH) must have suggested to his belivers not to worship idols but to belive in a rational idealogy. I think this is a turning moment in history of Pakistan. Out of this churning, will rise poison first, which someone would have to drink and scarifice to make way for the Amrit that would follow and which shall bring peace and tranquility to everyone.

soysauce #126
``You have to admit that until iran allowed IAEA inspections, there was not even the suspicion that pakistan could be behind their nuclear program``

Not true AT ALL. Such suspicions were being written about as early as in late 80s and early 90s. Look at the dates on the articles referred to in this timeline:

http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_iran_nch_1986.html

http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_iran_nch_1988.html

For example:

February 1986
Abdul Qadir Khan, Pakistan`s leading nuclear scientist, makes a secret visit to Bushehr. Pakistan and Iran sign a secret nuclear cooperation agreement later in the year.
--Kenneth R. Timmerman, ``Weapons of Mass Destruction: The Cases of Iran, Syria and Libya,`` a Simon Wiesenthal Center Special Report, August 1992, p. 41-42.

November 1986
Following a request from Iran, Pakistan`s president says Pakistan is willing to cooperate with Iran on nuclear matters.
--Worldwide Report, 17 February 1987, p. 38; in Saeed Qureshi, The Muslim (Islamabad), 23 November 1986, p. 1.


1988-89
Iran approaches Pakistan for help in enriching uranium. The head of Pakistan`s uranium enrichment program begins to hold talks with officials at the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran in 1988. Rumors that Pakistan is helping Iran develop nuclear weapons persist. [Note: See also November 1986 and 1987 and June 1988 for more on the agreement to cooperate between Pakistan and Iran.]
--Mark Hibbs, Nucleonics Week, 2 June 1991, pp. 17-18; David Albright and Mark Hibbs, The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, March 1992, p. 9-11.

PMisra:

``However much cooperation takes place with the west, these lessons must not be forgotten. In the long run, both the US and UK will act against Indian interests in the region. ``


Satyavachan. Which is why the Bomb for India is the ultimate insurance. Against the West.

Pakistanis have dug their own grave by publicly declaring that their bomb is India specific. Basically they have said it is okay for anyone lese to rule us as long as the Indians do not. Which is ine by India. But not a very healthy way of mantaining independence for Pakistan itself.

Right now, India is pretty much in the sidelines. All along when India was shoutinf but nuclear technology transfer, the US and the West (as Sadna says) kept quiet. Now, without any effort on India`s part, the Pakistani nuclear program is under a level of scrutiny unthinkable a year ago.

The important thing is that the Pakistanis have paired their nuclear capability with India. Yet, India is not even being mentioned in the media reports. I am waiting for Shireen Mazari`s spin on this. Should be quite entertaining.

In the washington post article AQK is repeatedly shown saying two things.

1. Mushy ko bhi interview karo. He knows about N Korea transactions.
2. The stuff given to Iran and Lybia was useless. They could not make a bomb with it even if God helped them assemble the plant.

So Iran and Lybia were cheated of their money by the AQK & group. May be after playing with the centrifuges for 10 years they finally figured out we have been tricked by the pakis so let us spill the beans and give them the taste of their own medicine.

#87 sadna,
It`s not absurd at all that proliferation is a growing concern to the US when it realizes that it can be attacked within its borders. After all, what`s happening is now that pakistan is firmly under american military overlordship, the US has the means to examine every little infraction. You have to admit that until iran allowed IAEA inspections, there was not even the suspicion that pakistan could be behind their nuclear program. Libya is a huge surprise as well.