Karamatullah K Ghori February 4, 2004
#182 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on February 8, 2004 4:41:00 pm
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#181 Posted by arjun_m on February 7, 2004 6:18:26 pm
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#180 Posted by Pankaj on February 7, 2004 6:18:26 pm
AlephNull
``For the rest – was trained as an engineer in undergraduate school (hated it), then in a field much closer to science. ``
One last question. Was the undergrad school one of the IITs? If yes, was your A.I.R below 50? Dont answer the questions if you are not comfortable. Thanks.
``For the rest – was trained as an engineer in undergraduate school (hated it), then in a field much closer to science. ``
One last question. Was the undergrad school one of the IITs? If yes, was your A.I.R below 50? Dont answer the questions if you are not comfortable. Thanks.
#179 Posted by Pankaj on February 7, 2004 6:18:26 pm
AlephNull
By ``below 50`` I mean less than 50 :)
By ``below 50`` I mean less than 50 :)
#178 Posted by rsridhar on February 7, 2004 6:18:25 pm
re:#174 by jay
You may be wrong in your analysis. CIA did know quite a bit about A.Q.Khan`s activities, only the politicians failed to use that info. Reason: Pak is still needed to fight USA`s war on Al-qaida.
Read the following:
http://jang.com.pk/thenews/feb2004-daily/08-02-2004/main/main6.htm
Sridhar
You may be wrong in your analysis. CIA did know quite a bit about A.Q.Khan`s activities, only the politicians failed to use that info. Reason: Pak is still needed to fight USA`s war on Al-qaida.
Read the following:
http://jang.com.pk/thenews/feb2004-daily/08-02-2004/main/main6.htm
Sridhar
#177 Posted by arjun_m on February 7, 2004 2:50:57 pm
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#176 Posted by arjun_m on February 7, 2004 8:44:33 am
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#175 Posted by arjun_m on February 7, 2004 8:44:33 am
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#174 Posted by jay on February 7, 2004 7:15:46 am
Recognising Dr Khan,
Educated Pakistanis, especially the tahmad variety found on chowk, are so quick to disown and discredit Dr Khan. This type are characterised by inability to think for themselves, always posting inanities, at best words of others, but always laced with personal invectives.
Pakistan was created for Islam reinforced with the TNT ideology, that Muslims cannot live with people of other faiths. This has created a very virulent strain of Islam, TNTism incubated in the madrassas and carried far and wide through the jihad vectors of Laasker e Toiba, Jaish Mohammed etc, uniquely Pakistani in origin.
Recognising that TNTism is widely accepted and practiced in Pakistan, the actions of Dr Khan are truly heroic and deserves all the praise and recognition from the Pakistanis. Jihadis occupied large parts of India in kargill and as the Pakistanis correctly claim it it is the bomb that prevented a full-scale invasion by India. The jihadis duly gave a bloody nose to India; India suffered the highest number of causalities in any war. Dr Khan has to be credited for this.
In a similar way, other Muslim countries like Iran and Libya could give a bloody nose to the kafir neighbours, in line with TNTism, if only they also had bombs. To improve the effectiveness of the bomb, one needs a delivery system and Khan got it from the Koreans, which shows the ingenuity and political astuteness of Khan, a rarity among the research boffins. This is a true characteristic of a hero, and Dr Khan is a true Pak hero in the great ideology of creation of Pakistan. For once, Dr Khan has provided the technological means for the spread of Pak strain of Islam, the TNTism. There are times one has to give credit where it is due.
Educated Pakistanis, especially the tahmad variety found on chowk, are so quick to disown and discredit Dr Khan. This type are characterised by inability to think for themselves, always posting inanities, at best words of others, but always laced with personal invectives.
Pakistan was created for Islam reinforced with the TNT ideology, that Muslims cannot live with people of other faiths. This has created a very virulent strain of Islam, TNTism incubated in the madrassas and carried far and wide through the jihad vectors of Laasker e Toiba, Jaish Mohammed etc, uniquely Pakistani in origin.
Recognising that TNTism is widely accepted and practiced in Pakistan, the actions of Dr Khan are truly heroic and deserves all the praise and recognition from the Pakistanis. Jihadis occupied large parts of India in kargill and as the Pakistanis correctly claim it it is the bomb that prevented a full-scale invasion by India. The jihadis duly gave a bloody nose to India; India suffered the highest number of causalities in any war. Dr Khan has to be credited for this.
In a similar way, other Muslim countries like Iran and Libya could give a bloody nose to the kafir neighbours, in line with TNTism, if only they also had bombs. To improve the effectiveness of the bomb, one needs a delivery system and Khan got it from the Koreans, which shows the ingenuity and political astuteness of Khan, a rarity among the research boffins. This is a true characteristic of a hero, and Dr Khan is a true Pak hero in the great ideology of creation of Pakistan. For once, Dr Khan has provided the technological means for the spread of Pak strain of Islam, the TNTism. There are times one has to give credit where it is due.
#173 Posted by jay on February 7, 2004 7:15:46 am
I told you so,
In the present times when the credibility of CIA and MI5 are at stake the stellar achievements of Indian intelligence agencies have been little recognised. The findings of the CIA has been discredited by the absence of even a single WMD in Iraq while the machinations of the political masters in the US has lost them credibility and portrayed them as congenital liars.
In all the tamasha of Dr Khans apology and the presidential pardon on que from the teleprompter, the incontrovertible evidence from the indian RAW has received little mention and media attention. India has maintained all along that the missiles of Pakistan are simply a barter for the bomb and Pakistan had been consistently spreading the Islamic bomb. They even cited specific flights from Pakistan carrying the bomb material, only now to be confirmed by the ring leader.
Same is true with the role of Pakistan in Kashmir violence. The Indian data that Pak army is providing cover for the infiltrators has been well proven by the reduced killings in Kashmir. The violence has tapered of and will reduce dramatically in the coming months as those already in India are progressively liquidated.
India can duly claim that RAW is not simply an organ of Indian intelligence, but an organization of Intelligent Indians.
In the present times when the credibility of CIA and MI5 are at stake the stellar achievements of Indian intelligence agencies have been little recognised. The findings of the CIA has been discredited by the absence of even a single WMD in Iraq while the machinations of the political masters in the US has lost them credibility and portrayed them as congenital liars.
In all the tamasha of Dr Khans apology and the presidential pardon on que from the teleprompter, the incontrovertible evidence from the indian RAW has received little mention and media attention. India has maintained all along that the missiles of Pakistan are simply a barter for the bomb and Pakistan had been consistently spreading the Islamic bomb. They even cited specific flights from Pakistan carrying the bomb material, only now to be confirmed by the ring leader.
Same is true with the role of Pakistan in Kashmir violence. The Indian data that Pak army is providing cover for the infiltrators has been well proven by the reduced killings in Kashmir. The violence has tapered of and will reduce dramatically in the coming months as those already in India are progressively liquidated.
India can duly claim that RAW is not simply an organ of Indian intelligence, but an organization of Intelligent Indians.
#172 Posted by arjun_m on February 7, 2004 7:15:31 am
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#171 Posted by ballukhan on February 7, 2004 7:15:31 am
#169 by nazarhayatkhan on February 6, 2004 10:48pm PT
Great words again. I am all ears for more advice from you.
Great words again. I am all ears for more advice from you.
#170 Posted by Tmk on February 6, 2004 10:48:51 pm
Letter to Daily Times, Feb 6th, 2004.
Damage control
Sir: The recent disclosures about A.Q Khan’s nuclear proliferation have created a serious situation. Pakistan will be under severe pressure in the coming weeks and months. The demands will range from permitting international inspections to perhaps a rollback of the nuclear programme. But Pakistan has simply invested too much in the programme to abandon it at this juncture.
President Pervez Musharraf should be cognisant of the international community’s scepticism of Pakistan’s official position regarding this issue. Keeping in mind the seriousness of the charges, President Musharraf and the army must conceive a comprehensive plan to mollify the concerns of the international community and convince them of the security of Pakistan’s nuclear assets. This is both in the interest of the army as well as Pakistan.
More worrying is the reaction in Pakistan, where a majority thinks the entire episode is some sort of a cover-up by the Pakistan Army to hide its own involvement in the affair. This growing schism between the Pakistan Army and the people does not bode well for the future and can have dire consequences if nothing is done to arrest this trend.
It is in Pakistan’s interest to end this issue as soon as possible. However, a story such as this will not end easily and events like AQ Khan’s controversial pardon and confession will only lead to more speculation. President Musharraf would do well to be a bit more forthcoming about the role of security agency officials who worked at KRL.
In the end, while it is important to reassure the international community, it is even more important to win over the trust of the people of Pakistan.
TAIMUR MASUD KHAN
USA
Damage control
Sir: The recent disclosures about A.Q Khan’s nuclear proliferation have created a serious situation. Pakistan will be under severe pressure in the coming weeks and months. The demands will range from permitting international inspections to perhaps a rollback of the nuclear programme. But Pakistan has simply invested too much in the programme to abandon it at this juncture.
President Pervez Musharraf should be cognisant of the international community’s scepticism of Pakistan’s official position regarding this issue. Keeping in mind the seriousness of the charges, President Musharraf and the army must conceive a comprehensive plan to mollify the concerns of the international community and convince them of the security of Pakistan’s nuclear assets. This is both in the interest of the army as well as Pakistan.
More worrying is the reaction in Pakistan, where a majority thinks the entire episode is some sort of a cover-up by the Pakistan Army to hide its own involvement in the affair. This growing schism between the Pakistan Army and the people does not bode well for the future and can have dire consequences if nothing is done to arrest this trend.
It is in Pakistan’s interest to end this issue as soon as possible. However, a story such as this will not end easily and events like AQ Khan’s controversial pardon and confession will only lead to more speculation. President Musharraf would do well to be a bit more forthcoming about the role of security agency officials who worked at KRL.
In the end, while it is important to reassure the international community, it is even more important to win over the trust of the people of Pakistan.
TAIMUR MASUD KHAN
USA
#169 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on February 6, 2004 10:48:51 pm
Khan is not guilty. His confession only saved the Army - not the nation. The nation has yet to go through a lot of torture. Benazir was not allowed to enter KRL because Aslam Beg said ``it was on need to know basis``.
It is like a 1971 situation - and needs a major unpleasant decision but a decision based on TRUTH. Only Parliaments can deliver a long term solution. This bandage may not work for long.
There was no need for Musharraf to volunteer a statement like ``We will not let UN carry out the Inspections``. It is extreme positions like this (Taliban our friends, Kashmir core issue etc) that finally get stretched to the extent of an embarrasing U-Turn.
There was also no need for Sinha to say that ``Khan is not an internal problem of Pakistan & it will be raised at every forum``. When the whole world is doing what India wants, why not stay nuetral or in fact give a mild supporting statement for Pakistan. A statement from India just makes the Pakistani stand harder - (Unless India wants Pakistan to get so hard as to get cracked!)
Even now, Musharraf should pass this entire baby to the Parlianment & keep quite. (and what was that 2000 mile Shaheen 2?. There is a time & place for everything)
It may lead to a situation where the world may only accept a joint Nuke command of India-Pakistan.
It is better than giving away the Nukes to Elbaradi!
If it all sounds very stupid, please forgive me.
#168 Posted by AlephNull on February 6, 2004 10:48:51 pm
Stuka #160
This is embarrassing. First off, you sell yourself short. Your own political insight is quite good (perhaps with a few blind spots) and you express yourself concisely, a gift I sadly lack. The quality of discourse here is not low so much as decidedly uneven. There are several people on Chowk with an impressive breadth and depth of knowledge – for instance SameerJB, who would be a polymath if the age of polymaths were not over. There are also brilliant stylists – Hamidm, AhmedMadani, Nasah top my list. And there are some sharp thinkers and skilled polemicists.
Perhaps that question about my background was prompted by Hajooj Majooj. I must have picked that up from Naqshbandi sahib (or Nasah sahib, or Sattar sahib) together with the Dajjal (the Muslim Antichrist), the inquisitorial recording angels Nakeer and Munkeer, and other assorted bits and pieces of Islamic lore. I made the connection with Gog and Magog, just as I made the connection between Varuna and Uranus, Ushas and Eos. My brain is wired that way; I have an amateur interest in etymology, in the parallels between words in various languages and the lore and legends of various cultures. In any case, I might have been in error on the exact connotations of the Islamic Hajooj-Majooj, though I was right about the source.
For the rest – was trained as an engineer in undergraduate school (hated it), then in a field much closer to science. Consider me a manqué academic with a surfeit of interests who spreads himself too thin. I spent a lot of time in a university library boning up on nuclear weapons issues – technical, political - after the 1998 tests; have always been an ardent supporter of Indian nuclearization, wanted the intellectual ammunition to articulate that case. As to literature – have not read widely, am more interested in individual writers of genius than schools, tend to devour everything by and about writers I admire. I’d do very well on Jeopardy. I own several thousand books – too many still unread, alas – and hang out in bookstores in my copious spare time. I could say more but that will do for now.
This is embarrassing. First off, you sell yourself short. Your own political insight is quite good (perhaps with a few blind spots) and you express yourself concisely, a gift I sadly lack. The quality of discourse here is not low so much as decidedly uneven. There are several people on Chowk with an impressive breadth and depth of knowledge – for instance SameerJB, who would be a polymath if the age of polymaths were not over. There are also brilliant stylists – Hamidm, AhmedMadani, Nasah top my list. And there are some sharp thinkers and skilled polemicists.
Perhaps that question about my background was prompted by Hajooj Majooj. I must have picked that up from Naqshbandi sahib (or Nasah sahib, or Sattar sahib) together with the Dajjal (the Muslim Antichrist), the inquisitorial recording angels Nakeer and Munkeer, and other assorted bits and pieces of Islamic lore. I made the connection with Gog and Magog, just as I made the connection between Varuna and Uranus, Ushas and Eos. My brain is wired that way; I have an amateur interest in etymology, in the parallels between words in various languages and the lore and legends of various cultures. In any case, I might have been in error on the exact connotations of the Islamic Hajooj-Majooj, though I was right about the source.
For the rest – was trained as an engineer in undergraduate school (hated it), then in a field much closer to science. Consider me a manqué academic with a surfeit of interests who spreads himself too thin. I spent a lot of time in a university library boning up on nuclear weapons issues – technical, political - after the 1998 tests; have always been an ardent supporter of Indian nuclearization, wanted the intellectual ammunition to articulate that case. As to literature – have not read widely, am more interested in individual writers of genius than schools, tend to devour everything by and about writers I admire. I’d do very well on Jeopardy. I own several thousand books – too many still unread, alas – and hang out in bookstores in my copious spare time. I could say more but that will do for now.
#167 Posted by arjun_m on February 6, 2004 8:23:35 pm
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