The Complexities of Playing With India

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re:#31 by jang
Pakis are better athletes! Let us do some reality check here.
Medal tallies in the last commonwealth games:
http://www.abc.net.au/commonwealthgames/medal_tally.htm
Australia 82 62 63
England 54 51 60
Canada 31 41 44
India 30 21 18
New Zealand 11 13 21
South Africa 9 20 17
Cameroon 9 1 2
Malaysia 7 9 18
Wales 6 13 12
Scotland 6 8 16
Nigeria 5 4 11
Kenya 4 8 4
Jamaica 4 6 7
Singapore 4 2 7
Bahamas 4 0 4
Nauru 2 5 8
Northern Ireland 2 2 1
Cyprus 2 1 1
Pakistan 1 3 3

India: Gold: 30 Silver: 21 Bronze: 18. Ranking: 4th
Paki : Gold: 1 Silver: 3 Bronze: 3. Ranking: 19th. It is behind Bahamas, Nauru (ever heard of Nauru!)
Now, onto the Asian Games in Boson, 2002:

PRC, Korea, Japan are top 3. How about India and Pak?
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/cna/asiangames/14tally.htm

India 11 12 13 36 (7th)

Pakistan 1 6 6 13 (22nd)

Move on to the Afro-Asian Games held in Hyderabad, India in 2003.
http://www.afroasiangames.org/medalstallycountry.html
India is ranked 2nd after China in medal tally:

China 25 11 5 41
India 19 32 29 80

How about Pak?
Here is the medal tally:
Pakistan 0 2 1 3
Don`t worry about the ranking. Pak is below Egypt, Seychelles and Senegal.
It is just pathetic.

Apparently, the athletic Pathans and other Pakis (traditionally believed to be better off physically) are not winning any medals for their country.
It is madrassa education which teaches that Pakis are better athletes. There are no statistical or scientific data proving it. Cricket is only one sport. Pak is pathetic in every other sporting endevours. Surely a strong Pathan can be a champion in areas requiring power play: eg Discus, Hammer throw etc. But i do not see that happening. Reason: The burly 6 foot Pathan is happy to jerk off and smoke pot when not creating trouble for others. Sports requires too much discipline and hard work.

Jang Mian, wake up and smell the coffee. You Pakis are good at nothing. I know it will take time to sink in. Meanwhile i will keep posting the irrefutable statistics.
Sridhar

There we go again....the PCB is begging -- I mean literally -- for India come play cricket in Pakistan because they will go broke if we don`t go there. Here is this Jihad-Junkie bragging that $20 million is puny.

Here is what you can do, arrange to transfer some of the Jihad money collected to the coffers of PCB each time a country refuses to tour Pakistan. That way everyone -- including the cannon fodder Jihadis -- will be happy. And the PCB can keep up the swagger. How is that?

re:#32 by HisExcellency
Rumor has it that Indian politicians were pissed off at Pak`s observance of Kashmiri day. I read in a newsletter that this was a way of saying that in times of change, observing a Kashmiri day is a regressive step. ABV earned the good name by stepping in to save the trip but i believe it was all pre-planned!
Sridhar

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Thank you chowk staff for taking care of the garbage. Now please delete my post # 19 as well since it has served its purpose.

Thanks again

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#27 by plats8

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It was just the economics of depriving PCB from making serious amounts of cash - playing India is the biggest money-spinner for any cricket board at this point.
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This may have been the tactical objective. But ofcourse there had to be a larger strategic objective, that would result in diplomatic gains for India. Depriving PCB of cash couldn`t have been the objective in itself. It doesn`t make sense for Advani & Dalmiya to pick a fight with Messrs Rameez Raja, Shahryar Khan and their PCB staff. And just over $20m!

Unless of course the (erroneous) assumption was that a loss of $20m would create ripples in every ministry and administrative block inside Pakistan. Given that Indian bureaucracy and politicians keep a tab on Pakistan`s economic packages, etc. it is unlikely that the cricket boycott was due to financial reasons. After all $20m is puny for Pakistan.

This leads me to believe that the real reason for threatening boycott was fear of losing to Pakistan, especially close to elections. This would have a blown a hole through BJP`s ``India Shining`` campaign. The ``bleed PCB`` reason was sold to the Indian public just for propaganda reasons, but saner minds in Delhi knew better.

Its all about mutton.

It is a well known fact that you must eat mutton to be able to bowl fast. Srinath was advised by Lee to do so..sambhar-rice just does not do it. That is why pakistani and Muslim cricketers are better atheletes. Try to imagine Prasanna as an athelete! Srinath was more of a software enggineering type who will say stuff like ``sure, the ball on long on boundary can be stopped`` rather than diving to stop it. Its the mutton that gives you the hormones and chemical triggers to get the extra ummph. Also, all the ruffage in bhaji is not very good for long hours of fielding. Dal is a good protein for a balanced diet, but it lacks the animal hormones, and the copious flatulence in mid-stride is not very good for producing the reverese swing. So its the mutton that makes Pakistanis better atheletes, Anjuman-e-Islam High School win the Giles/Harris Shield against King George High School, and Zaheer and Irfan fast bowlers. Indian team better start keeping a stable of bakras if they want to win.

Here is one proposed menu for the Indian team if they really want to win.

Breakfast: Kheema-Pau and Bakri Milk Tea
Lunch: Mutton Curry and Parantha and Bakri Lassi
Tea: Seekh Kabab (again with Bakri Milk Tea)
Dinner: Sali Boti, Awadhi Mutton Biryani with mint chutney, Coffee with Bakri Milk.

#11 by tahmed32

Thanks for the info., I had no idea....
Thanks again.

pashawar and multan will not disappoint anyone. they are two of the most culturally interesting places u will ever visit. hire and tanga and go to all the bazaars of peshawar, if u reach the city much b4 the match. experience the wholesale markets of the worlds best ammunition and the biggest collection of smuggled goods anywhere. top it all off with a pashto film. visit the shrines in multan. the women their are beautiful beyond belief. just walk into a local restuarant, try some of the local cuisine and try making conversation with an oldtimer who will be full of stories, historical facts and legends about the place. dont waste time at ur hotel.

and then if the matches are what they say they will be, it will be a more than worhtwhile experience

Chowk Staff: This is simply to thank you for implementing your guidelines in a case where the poster was repeatedly violating them.

I have no doubt that by making this a properly moderated website (like all good websites are), you will encourage more people to participate on chowk, and certainly these will be more intelligent people from both India and Pakistan.

HisExcellency #26,

I doubt that BCCI or the Indian bureaucracy had the illusion that not touring
Pakistan would change the ground realities in Kashmir. It was just the economics
of depriving PCB from making serious amounts of cash - playing India is the
biggest money-spinner for any cricket board at this point.

It also does seem to me that for India, Australia has replaced Pakistan as the
main adversary. The hype around this upcoming tour seems somewhat of a
media creation; the public reaction is more muted compared to a similar tour 10-12
years ago.

#14 by plats8

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Yes, you are right. Depriving PCB of the revenues from cricket is a complete non-incentive.
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Apparently Vajpayee has driven some sense into BJP hardliners and the Indian bureaucracy. The PCB is just a sports association, not a policy maker in Pakistan. Refusal to tour Pakistan wouldn`t make a dent in Pakistan`s Kashmir policy, but it would jeopardize Pakistan`s return tour to India scheduled for next year. BCCI must therefore be careful in attaching strings (MoUs, objection to venues, etc) to the current tour. PCB could attach the same strings (objection to Mumbai & Ahmedabad as venues, insistence on Pakistani commandos providing security) next year.

i looked at this and saw that it needed a post from a kirkat adoring female. : ) but after post #16, i dunno. . .

CoolAL: i`m not sure that moderators are much on duty these days. if you haven`t noticed, our posts appear immediately rather than the half hour/hour/five hour wait. please don`t turn this into a `yindoo` vs. whatever thing, just because shamsul is an ignorant poser. he`ll get his eventually. . .what goes around comes around.

and may the best team win! :))

veeresh, are you really driving from delhi to rawalpindi? i hope you let us know how the journey went!

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- Test Series (all odds 2-1)

India 1-0 (if Harbajan and Kumble both play)
India/Pak 1-1 (If either Harbajan or Kumble play, but not both)
Pak 1-0 (If Harbajan and Kumble both do not play, and Shoaib plays all three)

- One-day series:

India 3-2 (regardless of who plays or does not play)

- Indian team gets assasinated while touring Pakistan (1-100)

- Indian politicians continue making political statements and keep putting their foot in their mouth at each step during the series (100-1)

- Indian film actresses in the crowd get far more attention from Pakistani fans, than Indian cricketers on the ground (5-1)

- Indian fans touring Pakistan are greatly disappointed by Multan and Peshawar (50-1)

- Javed Miandad makes five stupid remarks and one unbelievingly shrewd remark during the seires (2-1)

- Tendulkar gets a standing ovation somewhere along the line (2-1)

- Indian female fans fall in love with Shoaib and Afridi, after having to have lived with looking at Ganguly and Harbajan for so long (1000-1)

- Zaheer Khan and Irfan Pathan are offered jobs by the newly privatized Habib Bank and they decide to defect (101 - 1)

- Danish Kaneria becomes the most popular Hindu in Pakistan, after he clean bowls Dravid with a flipper, and screams Pakistan Zindabad (10,000 -1)