Saad Shafqat February 26, 2004
#1 Posted by rozaiba on February 26, 2004 9:19:23 am
Would be an amazing series. India`s current batting attack on subcontinental wickets is sensational. The youthful look of the Pakistani batting will be tested.
Though Pakistan maintains an advantage in the bowling department, it hasn`t really come out with a sensational bowler since Shoaib Akhtar.
Though Pakistan maintains an advantage in the bowling department, it hasn`t really come out with a sensational bowler since Shoaib Akhtar.
#2 Posted by Shamsul on February 26, 2004 10:45:12 am
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#3 Posted by amit on February 26, 2004 10:45:13 am
Saad,
I am hopeful that in the newly emerging thaw between the two countries and the bonhomie at a people to people level, we will stop this maniacal, proxy war mindset on the cricket grounds. It is just too immature. It is fine to be competitive and have a healthy rivalry, but let`s keep it at that. What is the big deal about winning or losing in a cricket match anyway ? Let`s say that in the next 100 matches, India loses to Pakistan. Will it change anything in India or Pakistan ? I don`t think so. The same holds true for Pakistan. We desis tend to get emotional and carried away over useless matters, to the point that fans start making death threats to players, mourning collectively at a loss as if someone has died, or celebrating in a frenzied manner over a victory. It is time that we grew up on both sides and take it simply as a sporting contest. The rest of the world laughs at the sight of a bunch of brown beggars fighting over a cricket match.
I am hopeful that in the newly emerging thaw between the two countries and the bonhomie at a people to people level, we will stop this maniacal, proxy war mindset on the cricket grounds. It is just too immature. It is fine to be competitive and have a healthy rivalry, but let`s keep it at that. What is the big deal about winning or losing in a cricket match anyway ? Let`s say that in the next 100 matches, India loses to Pakistan. Will it change anything in India or Pakistan ? I don`t think so. The same holds true for Pakistan. We desis tend to get emotional and carried away over useless matters, to the point that fans start making death threats to players, mourning collectively at a loss as if someone has died, or celebrating in a frenzied manner over a victory. It is time that we grew up on both sides and take it simply as a sporting contest. The rest of the world laughs at the sight of a bunch of brown beggars fighting over a cricket match.
#4 Posted by malik99 on February 26, 2004 11:09:38 am
Let me put my neck on the line and make a humble and very modest prediction:
Pakistan will beat India. Our strategy will be very simple. We will begin by instilling fear in their hearts by having Imran Khan out for a handshake with them at the start of first match. My reliable sources have told me that even today, young Indian mothers curse their disobedient sons by saying ``may bhagwan make you face imran`s in-swing``. Then we will proceed to terrorize them on the field. Shoaib and Sami will be instructed to teach Indian batsmen what an in-swinging outswing ball is like; what an out-swinging inswing yorker is like; and finally, how to avoid flying shards from shattered wickets. From there on a slow process of dismantling Indian spirit will begin. This process will culminate with the defection of India`s top ranked batsmen to Pakistan. They will be granted assylum on humanitarian basis, so they will never have to fear facing Pakistani artillary, otherwise known as Shoaib and Sami.
Dhaka will be avenged.
And that is just my modest prediction.
Pakistan will beat India. Our strategy will be very simple. We will begin by instilling fear in their hearts by having Imran Khan out for a handshake with them at the start of first match. My reliable sources have told me that even today, young Indian mothers curse their disobedient sons by saying ``may bhagwan make you face imran`s in-swing``. Then we will proceed to terrorize them on the field. Shoaib and Sami will be instructed to teach Indian batsmen what an in-swinging outswing ball is like; what an out-swinging inswing yorker is like; and finally, how to avoid flying shards from shattered wickets. From there on a slow process of dismantling Indian spirit will begin. This process will culminate with the defection of India`s top ranked batsmen to Pakistan. They will be granted assylum on humanitarian basis, so they will never have to fear facing Pakistani artillary, otherwise known as Shoaib and Sami.
Dhaka will be avenged.
And that is just my modest prediction.
#5 Posted by Pardaisi on February 26, 2004 11:20:06 am
#2 shamsul
here we go again..... another teen who likes to beat India at every cost without knowing why. whats wrong with loosing... winning......loosing and winning again, isnt thats the whole idea in sports?grow up shams.
u make me sick...
I was reading your bio and have one question for you, you claim to love allah and prophet pbuh..but under random thoughts you wish to follow footsteps of ``Maulana Muhammad Ilyas Qadri`` WHY? why not Prophet pbuh...just curious
here we go again..... another teen who likes to beat India at every cost without knowing why. whats wrong with loosing... winning......loosing and winning again, isnt thats the whole idea in sports?grow up shams.
u make me sick...
I was reading your bio and have one question for you, you claim to love allah and prophet pbuh..but under random thoughts you wish to follow footsteps of ``Maulana Muhammad Ilyas Qadri`` WHY? why not Prophet pbuh...just curious
#6 Posted by Romair on February 26, 2004 11:38:50 am
While cricket is big in Pakistan, it is far bigger in India. I noticed this, after watching one of the World Cups with a large group of Indian friends, over a period of two weeks. In Pakistan, only the games in which Pakistan played, sold out. In India, regardless of who was playing, the games seem to sell out. Also, when India lost to Sri Lanka, the crowd littered the field with bottles, and the match had to be called off. In a later series, when India lost to Pakistan, the whole crowd had to be forced out of the stadium. This shows how emotional Indians are about cricket.
It is quite obvious that India`s refusal to play Pakistan, had quite a bit to do with the fear of losing to Pakistan. Apparently, that can have poiltical affects in India. During this time of cricket ban, every other type of Indian team toured Pakistan - inlcuding polo, water polo, track, kabbadi, ludo, chess, sychronized swimming, ice-dancing, curling, hopscotch, soccer etc.
But not the cricket team. Apparenly cricket was the only sport affected by what was going on in Kashmir. Others were not affected.
Now that the cricket team is touring, it is an idication that the relations are improving. But more importantly that the Indian politicians feel that India has a chance to defeat Pakistan, in cricket. Otherwise, with an election around the corner, they would not have taken a risk.
I would tend to agree with the Indian politicians. This is about a good a chance as India has ever had to defeat Pakistan. Tradiitionally, Pakistan has dominated India in all forms of cricket. However, now India has finally started showing some spine overseas. And Pakistan is still rebuilding (although it has won two test series in succession - not a an easy task).
Indian batsmen are too good to not be able to score on Pakistani wickets, regardless of who is bowling. So they will score a lot of runs. The key will be whether Indian bowlers, who are below average, can get the Pakistani batting out, which is, at best average. If they cannot get the Pakistanis out, then we will have a series of draws.
Based purely on current form and experience level, my prediction would be that India wins the Test series 1-0. And it wins the one-day series 3.2.
However, there is one missing link: Indian teams always put themselves under too much pressure, while playing Pakistan. Thus even with better teams, they end up losing. Pakistan does the same, when it is playing South Africa (not counting the last series).
So if this missing link is present, I will have to say the result will be 1-1 Test series, and 3-2 (India`s favor) in the one-day series.
P.S. If Harbajan and Kumble do not tour than 1-0 (Pakistan`s favor) in Test series, since Nehra, Ajit and Zaheer will not be able to do much on Pakistani wickets.
It is quite obvious that India`s refusal to play Pakistan, had quite a bit to do with the fear of losing to Pakistan. Apparently, that can have poiltical affects in India. During this time of cricket ban, every other type of Indian team toured Pakistan - inlcuding polo, water polo, track, kabbadi, ludo, chess, sychronized swimming, ice-dancing, curling, hopscotch, soccer etc.
But not the cricket team. Apparenly cricket was the only sport affected by what was going on in Kashmir. Others were not affected.
Now that the cricket team is touring, it is an idication that the relations are improving. But more importantly that the Indian politicians feel that India has a chance to defeat Pakistan, in cricket. Otherwise, with an election around the corner, they would not have taken a risk.
I would tend to agree with the Indian politicians. This is about a good a chance as India has ever had to defeat Pakistan. Tradiitionally, Pakistan has dominated India in all forms of cricket. However, now India has finally started showing some spine overseas. And Pakistan is still rebuilding (although it has won two test series in succession - not a an easy task).
Indian batsmen are too good to not be able to score on Pakistani wickets, regardless of who is bowling. So they will score a lot of runs. The key will be whether Indian bowlers, who are below average, can get the Pakistani batting out, which is, at best average. If they cannot get the Pakistanis out, then we will have a series of draws.
Based purely on current form and experience level, my prediction would be that India wins the Test series 1-0. And it wins the one-day series 3.2.
However, there is one missing link: Indian teams always put themselves under too much pressure, while playing Pakistan. Thus even with better teams, they end up losing. Pakistan does the same, when it is playing South Africa (not counting the last series).
So if this missing link is present, I will have to say the result will be 1-1 Test series, and 3-2 (India`s favor) in the one-day series.
P.S. If Harbajan and Kumble do not tour than 1-0 (Pakistan`s favor) in Test series, since Nehra, Ajit and Zaheer will not be able to do much on Pakistani wickets.
#7 Posted by wahi_to on February 26, 2004 12:29:21 pm
history might be on the side of pakistan but present pakistan team has a weak batting line-up, lacks experienced players and too much is made of shoaib and sami. shoaib was smashed all over the ground by tendulkar in 2003 world cup match.
my prediction is that first one day match will be won by india. rest we will see.
my prediction is that first one day match will be won by india. rest we will see.
#8 Posted by Shamsul on February 26, 2004 12:29:22 pm
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#9 Posted by impressions on February 26, 2004 12:50:48 pm
From the Right:
The author lays out a solid escape strategy by claiming at the onset that he merely is presenting the Pakistani perspective but some of the drivel here is just flat out wrong.
“On a backdrop of anti-Pakistan frenzy fuelled by Hindutva fervour, Javed Miandad and Wasim Akram tag-teamed as coach-captain and snatched unlikely victories at Chennai and Kolkata.”
Huh???
Yes. A couple of 98 lbs shiv sena types did raid the Wankhede pitch, dug it up with stumps and lit a 1 square foot fire aided by a friggin chulloo full of petrol. That sounds more like a snot nosed teenage prank than ‘a backdrop of anti-Pakistan frenzy fuelled by Hindutva fervor’. Are you claiming that that event equates what India will be facing this time?? India managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Chennai and the Pakistani’s got a standing ovation from 60,000 people and a lap of honor.
So is this Indian tour comparable to the last Pakistani tour? First let Shiv sena organize itself into a bunch of underground movements that has thousands of people from 35 different countries living in the hills training with AKs and RPGs. Then let a vast portion of the Indian government fund and condone their activities. Then let them get pissed off at the government and try a few assassination attempts. Then let them start blowing up busses with assorted humans in them every week. Then let them fly a couple of planes into buildings. The let them issue death threats to major Pakistani players. After that have a test in Karachi. Then see if India wins. And then finally see that in the event that India wins a game suddenly after it looked like Pakistan was going to walk away with it, see if the Indian team gets to do a victory lap of honor to a wild standing ovation from the crowd.
Then we will compare this Indian tour to the last Pakistani tour!
From the Left:
Yeah, yeah all that is fine but the bottom line is that the Indians will still get hammered. It does not matter how good a batting line up India has and how inconsistent Pakistan is. The Pakistanis got dominated by New Zealand but all it took was a half hour from Akhtar and the series was won. India could be 100 for 1 and then Akhtar could do a Dravid Tendulkar combo like last time and India would be hard pressed to get to friggin 150.
India’s two seamer – one spinner starting combination is Zaheer, Agarkar, and Kumble. The fourth bowler would be picked between Harbhajan and Nehra depending on the track.
So that’s your starting five.
Well, Zaheer & Nehra are gimpy and Agarkar, Kumble & Harbhajan are flat injured.
So in this series India’s bowling lineup will be spearheaded by a nineteen-year-old greenhorn called Irfan Pathan. He will be supported by a gimpy Zaheer Khan and a shy kid called L. Balaji. Spearheading the spin attack may be an uncapped kid called Ramesh Powar.
Pathan, Balaji, Zaheer and Powar. Fearsome!
The author lays out a solid escape strategy by claiming at the onset that he merely is presenting the Pakistani perspective but some of the drivel here is just flat out wrong.
“On a backdrop of anti-Pakistan frenzy fuelled by Hindutva fervour, Javed Miandad and Wasim Akram tag-teamed as coach-captain and snatched unlikely victories at Chennai and Kolkata.”
Huh???
Yes. A couple of 98 lbs shiv sena types did raid the Wankhede pitch, dug it up with stumps and lit a 1 square foot fire aided by a friggin chulloo full of petrol. That sounds more like a snot nosed teenage prank than ‘a backdrop of anti-Pakistan frenzy fuelled by Hindutva fervor’. Are you claiming that that event equates what India will be facing this time?? India managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Chennai and the Pakistani’s got a standing ovation from 60,000 people and a lap of honor.
So is this Indian tour comparable to the last Pakistani tour? First let Shiv sena organize itself into a bunch of underground movements that has thousands of people from 35 different countries living in the hills training with AKs and RPGs. Then let a vast portion of the Indian government fund and condone their activities. Then let them get pissed off at the government and try a few assassination attempts. Then let them start blowing up busses with assorted humans in them every week. Then let them fly a couple of planes into buildings. The let them issue death threats to major Pakistani players. After that have a test in Karachi. Then see if India wins. And then finally see that in the event that India wins a game suddenly after it looked like Pakistan was going to walk away with it, see if the Indian team gets to do a victory lap of honor to a wild standing ovation from the crowd.
Then we will compare this Indian tour to the last Pakistani tour!
From the Left:
Yeah, yeah all that is fine but the bottom line is that the Indians will still get hammered. It does not matter how good a batting line up India has and how inconsistent Pakistan is. The Pakistanis got dominated by New Zealand but all it took was a half hour from Akhtar and the series was won. India could be 100 for 1 and then Akhtar could do a Dravid Tendulkar combo like last time and India would be hard pressed to get to friggin 150.
India’s two seamer – one spinner starting combination is Zaheer, Agarkar, and Kumble. The fourth bowler would be picked between Harbhajan and Nehra depending on the track.
So that’s your starting five.
Well, Zaheer & Nehra are gimpy and Agarkar, Kumble & Harbhajan are flat injured.
So in this series India’s bowling lineup will be spearheaded by a nineteen-year-old greenhorn called Irfan Pathan. He will be supported by a gimpy Zaheer Khan and a shy kid called L. Balaji. Spearheading the spin attack may be an uncapped kid called Ramesh Powar.
Pathan, Balaji, Zaheer and Powar. Fearsome!
#10 Posted by tahmed32 on February 26, 2004 1:29:50 pm
pardaisi #5 You should know that ``shamsul`` is actually this south indian scumbag ``gujjubania``. And you thought jay was a nutcase!! This man gujjubania is not just a nutcase, but ridden with filth as well.
He just acts as if he is an islamist nut in order to provide an example of the extremist pakistani that other filth of his kind from india love to portray pakistanis to be. I am waiting to see how long it takes CHOWK STAFF to kick this moron out of chowk (as they did with that third nutcase from india - 12 head.)
I just thought you would like to know.
He just acts as if he is an islamist nut in order to provide an example of the extremist pakistani that other filth of his kind from india love to portray pakistanis to be. I am waiting to see how long it takes CHOWK STAFF to kick this moron out of chowk (as they did with that third nutcase from india - 12 head.)
I just thought you would like to know.
#11 Posted by chaltahai on February 26, 2004 1:29:50 pm
Shamsul just curious these cowards aka hindoobanias also have won a few times against the almighty Pakistani squad, how does one explain that. I remember a certain thrashing of Akhtar last march in WC. Do you chalk that up to one-offs when Allah liked these hindoobanias more and Mohammad and Maulana Muhammad Ilyas Qadri Sahib bestowing their blessings on the kafirs.
Remember Allah saves......but Gretzky gets the rebound and SCORES!!!
Remember Allah saves......but Gretzky gets the rebound and SCORES!!!
#12 Posted by bongdongs on February 26, 2004 1:35:33 pm
So Mr Saad Shafqat,
Is Miandad still pally his old friend bhai in KHI?
Is Miandad still pally his old friend bhai in KHI?
#13 Posted by jamshednazar on February 26, 2004 2:50:17 pm
Another interesting aspect of the game would be the millions and billions of ruppees spent on Betting. I hope the players really go for the game... but you never know if some of these matches are fixed up before hand....
Both Pakistani and Indian players, ofcourse not on the current teams, have been implicated in accepting bribes.... Like Azhar and Salim Malik.
The bookies seems to have as much stake in these games as the two government of India and Pakistan.
Both Pakistani and Indian players, ofcourse not on the current teams, have been implicated in accepting bribes.... Like Azhar and Salim Malik.
The bookies seems to have as much stake in these games as the two government of India and Pakistan.
#14 Posted by plats8 on February 26, 2004 3:41:42 pm
Romair #6,
Yes, you are right. Depriving PCB of the revenues from cricket is a complete non-incentive.
Yes, you are right. Depriving PCB of the revenues from cricket is a complete non-incentive.
#15 Posted by Shamsul on February 26, 2004 4:19:43 pm
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