Fakhra Hassan March 17, 2004
#12 Posted by noetherf on December 28, 2006 11:05:57 am
References:
1) Bell, Marilyn Powe and Leithauser, Gladys Garner, The World of Science - The Anthology for Writers, Holt, Rinchart and Winston, Inc. The Dryden Press 1987
2) Blatt, Frank J., Modern Physics, McGraw Hill International Edition 1992
3) Hawking, Stephen, A Brief History of Time, Bantam Press, Transworld Publishers Ltd. 1996 Edition
4) Murray, Gell-Mann, The Quark and the Jaguar, W.H. Freeman & Co. New York, 1994
5) Russell, Bertrand, Religion and Science, Oxford University Press 1935
6) Skolimowski, Henryk, The Participatory Mind, Penguin Books Ltd., 1994
1) Bell, Marilyn Powe and Leithauser, Gladys Garner, The World of Science - The Anthology for Writers, Holt, Rinchart and Winston, Inc. The Dryden Press 1987
2) Blatt, Frank J., Modern Physics, McGraw Hill International Edition 1992
3) Hawking, Stephen, A Brief History of Time, Bantam Press, Transworld Publishers Ltd. 1996 Edition
4) Murray, Gell-Mann, The Quark and the Jaguar, W.H. Freeman & Co. New York, 1994
5) Russell, Bertrand, Religion and Science, Oxford University Press 1935
6) Skolimowski, Henryk, The Participatory Mind, Penguin Books Ltd., 1994
#11 Posted by noetherf on April 21, 2005 12:57:21 pm
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Oh? And I thought happiness is always inside of you, no? but thanks.
Oh? And I thought happiness is always inside of you, no? but thanks.
#10 Posted by Psychon on January 7, 2005 10:44:58 pm
Are you willing to become a part of a new revolution? send me an email. I assure u that you will become happier than ever.
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#9 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on March 21, 2004 2:40:35 pm
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#8 Posted by noetherf on March 21, 2004 6:32:40 am
Mr. Isphahani, when I wrote, `Thanks, I`ll look them up, let me get back to you`, with all due respect, I meant that I will look into your work and respond. May Allah bless you for your services to Muslimhood. I am with you 100%. Mr. Bush is about to realize the game of imperialism he chose to play is on its way to disastrous end but I doubt he will until its too late. A smart person should not give heed to someone who shares genetic as well as physiological traits of monkeys.
Its all about power ultimately. And it is good to see that people are getting tired of it. I only wish there were more countries like Spain reacting dramatically to it. But of course, reaction of such nature will take time to develop in countries like Saudi Arabia. So, one should never stop trying.
Extremist regimes (e.g. imperialism, communism, fascism etc) always have their hey days but they never survive. Yesterday, it was the British Raj, Hitler`s Germany and the Soviet Union and in the near future, I see our beloved Uncle Sam in tears (I wonder if he`s already crying). Speaking of a stable communist China, wonder why India so eagerly signed the free trade agreement in this year`s SAARC conference. Not to mention apni Pakistani hakoomat that complied without hesitation.
Ah yes, the internet. Only a week ago, I deleted my e-mail address book shifting it to my paper diary because of the lovely viruses that wouldn`t stop visiting my contacts` inboxes. When I see the wonders of this paperless technology, I sometimes miss the old days. But of course, as you have rightly said Urstruly, science cannot survive without technology. Staying correctly informed and up-to-date are keys to survival.
And Sami, I am quite worried about evolving minds, especially our people who are learning these sciences. Yesterday, a metallurgist was making nuclear bombs. Tomorrow, an Engineer would be applying for a post of a typist. Therefore, it is important for me to teach them the history of how the intellectuals of the past thought. I am doing a duty to guide them with facts that our people, correction: our intellectual learning class don`t probably know.
Those who know nothing but their majhs, chaarpais, glasses of lassi and taaza hawa are by far the happiest people on earth. So, I have made every effort to spare them. And believe it or not, it is us intellectuals that need to be educated about peace and humanism, not the happy man.
And finally, ma`am Kyla, I am very happy to be here :) A great place for soch bichar and maghaz mari. PS: We all miss you at Khaldunia. Hope to see you again soon.
Thanks everyone for sharing your hot brains! You rock!
Its all about power ultimately. And it is good to see that people are getting tired of it. I only wish there were more countries like Spain reacting dramatically to it. But of course, reaction of such nature will take time to develop in countries like Saudi Arabia. So, one should never stop trying.
Extremist regimes (e.g. imperialism, communism, fascism etc) always have their hey days but they never survive. Yesterday, it was the British Raj, Hitler`s Germany and the Soviet Union and in the near future, I see our beloved Uncle Sam in tears (I wonder if he`s already crying). Speaking of a stable communist China, wonder why India so eagerly signed the free trade agreement in this year`s SAARC conference. Not to mention apni Pakistani hakoomat that complied without hesitation.
Ah yes, the internet. Only a week ago, I deleted my e-mail address book shifting it to my paper diary because of the lovely viruses that wouldn`t stop visiting my contacts` inboxes. When I see the wonders of this paperless technology, I sometimes miss the old days. But of course, as you have rightly said Urstruly, science cannot survive without technology. Staying correctly informed and up-to-date are keys to survival.
And Sami, I am quite worried about evolving minds, especially our people who are learning these sciences. Yesterday, a metallurgist was making nuclear bombs. Tomorrow, an Engineer would be applying for a post of a typist. Therefore, it is important for me to teach them the history of how the intellectuals of the past thought. I am doing a duty to guide them with facts that our people, correction: our intellectual learning class don`t probably know.
Those who know nothing but their majhs, chaarpais, glasses of lassi and taaza hawa are by far the happiest people on earth. So, I have made every effort to spare them. And believe it or not, it is us intellectuals that need to be educated about peace and humanism, not the happy man.
And finally, ma`am Kyla, I am very happy to be here :) A great place for soch bichar and maghaz mari. PS: We all miss you at Khaldunia. Hope to see you again soon.
Thanks everyone for sharing your hot brains! You rock!
#7 Posted by kyla on March 21, 2004 2:46:40 am
Yar, bohat barray barray alfaz aur bhari bhari baatein karti ho. :) Good to see you here. Keep going.
#6 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on March 20, 2004 4:12:16 pm
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#5 Posted by SamiT on March 19, 2004 11:13:35 pm
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#4 Posted by Urstruly on March 19, 2004 10:34:16 am
Ms. Hassan
In the context of Pakistan I would rather vote for technology and applied science rather than pure science. I dont think the scientific discovery drives the technology but the case is opposite - it is the limitations of existing technology that drives the need for further scientific investigation - accidental scientific discoveries not withstanding.
In the context of Pakistan I would rather vote for technology and applied science rather than pure science. I dont think the scientific discovery drives the technology but the case is opposite - it is the limitations of existing technology that drives the need for further scientific investigation - accidental scientific discoveries not withstanding.
#3 Posted by noetherf on March 19, 2004 7:07:00 am
Thanks Isphahani, I`ll look them up....let me get back to you...
And urstruly, I hope you are feeling better now. The grandness of science can lead one to pessimism, quite natural especially when you`re not feeling well...
You have a valid point when you say ownership of science hinders free thought. The point I am trying to make here is that we haven`t tried to `really` break free; fooling our sub-conscious not facing it.
If people began to tune their thoughts - expanding parallel to the advancements of science, things can change. But this is the ultimate challenge: how do we reason with our sub-conscious thoughts especially when we don`t know when they`re controlling us? And let`s assume we are successful, then what? Trouble? Most probably. As Bertrand Russell puts it, the love for power is insidious and let`s face it, even the philanthropists are selfish. They may be revolutionaries in the emancipation of `some` aspects of humanity, so, one can expect that there are many who disagree with them. Everyone suffers from this disease and the cure lies within the person.
And by the way, science is so easily accesible today! All one needs is a little common sense to click on the right information. Now that is a question of relativity. Think of science as mental ownership. No one can take that away from you!
And urstruly, I hope you are feeling better now. The grandness of science can lead one to pessimism, quite natural especially when you`re not feeling well...
You have a valid point when you say ownership of science hinders free thought. The point I am trying to make here is that we haven`t tried to `really` break free; fooling our sub-conscious not facing it.
If people began to tune their thoughts - expanding parallel to the advancements of science, things can change. But this is the ultimate challenge: how do we reason with our sub-conscious thoughts especially when we don`t know when they`re controlling us? And let`s assume we are successful, then what? Trouble? Most probably. As Bertrand Russell puts it, the love for power is insidious and let`s face it, even the philanthropists are selfish. They may be revolutionaries in the emancipation of `some` aspects of humanity, so, one can expect that there are many who disagree with them. Everyone suffers from this disease and the cure lies within the person.
And by the way, science is so easily accesible today! All one needs is a little common sense to click on the right information. Now that is a question of relativity. Think of science as mental ownership. No one can take that away from you!
#2 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on March 18, 2004 11:16:38 am
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#1 Posted by Urstruly on March 18, 2004 11:08:35 am
hummm ..... it reads like a simplified version of Alduos Huxley`s essay on scientific method, therefore, it ` s quite good. That guy usually gives me migraine.
But.. Ms. Hassan
The age of discovery is over and further scietific investigation is becoming extremely expensive for an individual to afford. In my opinion, the corporate ownership of scientific investigation is actually hidering the vision and human spirit to float free and discover. Where will we go from here. It seems so bleak.
P.S. And since the last few days I haven`t been feeling very well either.
But.. Ms. Hassan
The age of discovery is over and further scietific investigation is becoming extremely expensive for an individual to afford. In my opinion, the corporate ownership of scientific investigation is actually hidering the vision and human spirit to float free and discover. Where will we go from here. It seems so bleak.
P.S. And since the last few days I haven`t been feeling very well either.
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