Omar R Quraishi March 13, 2004
#17 Posted by mohar11 on March 15, 2004 11:26:01 am
Manto
//.. The issue of partition is over, and TNT should`ve been discarded on day 1...//
Hind-sight is 20/20.
But Just like TNT was necessary to create Pakistan - it was also necessary to keep it together during its formative eyars. Or so felt the pakistan founders and powers-that-be of that time.
Not that it would have been easy putting the TNT genie back into the bottle, even the ``leaders`` of post-partition pakistan wanted to do so.
In some other board - I narrated an incident involving Jinnah - where he approved the anti-India tirade being propagated in DAWN - on pretext that was necessary to keep newly-formed pakistan together.
//.. The issue of partition is over, and TNT should`ve been discarded on day 1...//
Hind-sight is 20/20.
But Just like TNT was necessary to create Pakistan - it was also necessary to keep it together during its formative eyars. Or so felt the pakistan founders and powers-that-be of that time.
Not that it would have been easy putting the TNT genie back into the bottle, even the ``leaders`` of post-partition pakistan wanted to do so.
In some other board - I narrated an incident involving Jinnah - where he approved the anti-India tirade being propagated in DAWN - on pretext that was necessary to keep newly-formed pakistan together.
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#19 Posted by piXel on March 16, 2004 3:38:27 am
hmm.. reminds me of my school and college days.
sometime during my O levels (class 7 i guess) i read in a Hilal-e-Urdu textbook, in a chapter relating to Karachi, that Lalokhet is a newly developed locality in the city(and this is in the early 1990s).
fast forward to HSC-I, and we have this english professor who raises the english text book in the air and announces that this has been in the curriculum for over the past 40+ years so he knows it like the back of his hand (literally) and then continues to read the chapters out loud without even opening the frontpage!
but his audience is amused for only a short while, since english is still an enigma to them, even after 10 years of schooling, something that they would rather rote learn than understand.
you can`t imagine the sorrow that i felt when i had to write complete essays for some of my collegues on topics like ``a science fair`` or ``a day at the beach`` so that they could rote learn them for the coming 1st year finals- since these were definites for the english paper!
such a curriculum only goes on to mislead the young minds, make them feel that education can only mean boring textbooks referring to things they can not even relate to and widen the ever-present class structure.
all in all, a nice article.
sometime during my O levels (class 7 i guess) i read in a Hilal-e-Urdu textbook, in a chapter relating to Karachi, that Lalokhet is a newly developed locality in the city(and this is in the early 1990s).
fast forward to HSC-I, and we have this english professor who raises the english text book in the air and announces that this has been in the curriculum for over the past 40+ years so he knows it like the back of his hand (literally) and then continues to read the chapters out loud without even opening the frontpage!
but his audience is amused for only a short while, since english is still an enigma to them, even after 10 years of schooling, something that they would rather rote learn than understand.
you can`t imagine the sorrow that i felt when i had to write complete essays for some of my collegues on topics like ``a science fair`` or ``a day at the beach`` so that they could rote learn them for the coming 1st year finals- since these were definites for the english paper!
such a curriculum only goes on to mislead the young minds, make them feel that education can only mean boring textbooks referring to things they can not even relate to and widen the ever-present class structure.
all in all, a nice article.
#20 Posted by echoboom on March 16, 2004 9:13:38 pm
English is O.K as language but in Pakiland they teach english ``culture`` to the totaa-mainaas at Beacon House and Grammar school type of karantaa schools. The un-learned category of Pakistan..the jobbers.
A curse upon you scum , a fie upon you bootlickers.
Learn something from Bangladesh who after separating from the sikh-chhittar-loving brigades have outdone the goraa-goo-chaaters of Pakistan.
Instead of worrying about something that would please your masters O baighairat O laantee , bring to the attention of the Pakistani public which results in more hatred against the enemies of the muslims--the lapdogs of U.S.
For example have the courage to print this stuff in your newspaper. Do something worthwhile rather than trying to be a kalloo-saab..the illiterate anglo-phile of Pakisland.
You just cover-up your low I.Q by alien accent and goraa-dress. Smart practicing muslims consider you a vermin. Never ever forget this.
9/11 revisited because the memories are coveniently short. O what would you not pay to get fkked by a goraa.
ISRAELIS ARRESTED ON SUSPICION OF 9-11 INVOLVEMENT.
TRIO WHO CHEERED ATTACK FACE BOOT AS ILLEGAL ALIENS.
By AL GUART (NEW YORK POST) www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/
September 13, 2001 -- Three men who celebrated as the Twin Towers crumbled are facing deportation, The Post has learned. The men, described as illegal immigrants from the Middle East, were arrested Tuesday afternoon in a white Chevy van near the Meadowlands based on a tip from witnesses who saw them ``cheering`` and ``jumping up and down`` in Liberty State Park after the attack, a source said.
Witnesses took the plate number and the FBI sent out an alert to area cops, reading: ``Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack . . . Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion.``
Port Authority cops nabbed the three as they drove along Route 3 in East Rutherford in the van, which had the words ``Urban Moving Systems`` painted on it. After grilling the men and searching the van in vain for explosives, the FBI turned the men over to the Immigration and Naturalization Service for deportation.
The feds declined to release the men`s identities or nationalities. ``The agency has decided it will not make any comments about this at this time,`` said INS spokesman Kerry Gill. Officials at ``Urban Moving`` claimed to be unaware of what had happened.
FIVE MEN DETAINED AS SUSPECTED CONSPIRATORS
BERGEN RECORD (New Jersey) Wednesday, September 12, 2001 www.bergen.com/news/2bombvan200109125.htm
By PAULO LIMA Staff Writer
Eight hours after terrorists struck Manhattan`s tallest skyscrapers, police in Bergen County detained five men who they said were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts. The five men, who were in a van stopped on Route 3 in East Rutherford around 4:30 p.m., were being questioned by police but had not been charged with any crime late Tuesday.
However, sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot. ``There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted,`` the source said. ``It looked like they`re hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.``
Sources also said that bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives. The FBI seized the van for further testing, authorities said. Sources said the van was stopped as it headed east on Route 3, between the Hackensack River bridge and the Sheraton hotel. As a precaution, police shut down Route 3 traffic in both directions after the stop and evacuated a small roadside motel near the Sheraton.
Sources close to the investigation said the men said they were Israeli tourists, but police had not been able to confirm their identities. Authorities would not release their names. East Rutherford officers stopped the van after the FBI`s Newark Office broadcast an alert asking surrounding police departments to look for a white Chevrolet van, police said.
``We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side,`` said Bergen County Police Chief John Schmidig. ``Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down.``
East Rutherford officers summoned the county bomb squad, New Jersey state troopers, and FBI agents, who waited alongside the van as prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney`s Office tried to obtain a warrant to search the van late Tuesday, Schmidig said. The FBI alert, known as a BOLO or ``Be On Lookout,`` was sent out at 3:31 p.m. It read:
``Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with `Urban Moving Systems` sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center. ``Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals.``
State police Col. Barry W. Roberson confirmed the traffic stop at a late night news briefing at state police headquarters in Trenton. He would not elaborate, however. A business traveler staying at the Homestead Studio Hotel said she watched state troopers drive the suspects away in a procession of state police cars about 5 p.m. ``First, they told us we could hang out in the lobby, but then they told us to leave,`` the traveler said.
At 10 p.m., the hotel guest said she could see at least two police officers searching through the van while a crowd of other officers kept their distance.
THE SUSPICIOUS ``MIDDLE EASTERN MOVERS`` WERE ISRAELIS WITH BOXCUTTERS,
EUROPEAN PASSPORTS AND $4000 CASH
SOURCE: ISRAEL NATIONAL NEWS
Arutz Sheva News Service IsraelNationalNews.com 10-26-1
Five young Israelis are ``on the verge of collapse,`` according to family members, as their incarceration in New York on charges relating to the Bin Laden attacks continues. They were arrested on Sept. 11, only hours after the World Trade Center attack, on charges of ``plotting to blow up`` a New York bridge. Katie Shmuel of the Galilee town of Yokne`am, says that her son Yaron is in ``a very critical psychological situation,`` given that they are not allowed to have visitors and the difficult conditions in which they are being held. ``The Israeli Consul-General in New York was allowed to visit only after asking several times and receiving a special permit,`` Katie told Arutz-7`s Yosef Zalmanson today. ``He was allowed to talk to them only in English, and only from behind a glass partition. The Consul told me that the boys are in a bad state and that they are being held under difficult conditions.``
When asked why the five youths, aged 22-26, are being held, Katie replied with despair: ``It`s ludicrous. They were on the George Washington Bridge at the time of the bombing, and the FBI had warnings of a terrorist plot, of guys in a white van, to blow up the bridge. So when the FBI saw this van, with my son and his four friends - one of them had a large sum of money, there were two razor knives in the van, and one of the boys is named Omer, which the FBI guys thought was Omar - they put one and one together and got three, and immediately arrested them... For the first few days, the boys were held in an FBI dungeon, tied up, with no clothes and no food.``
*The Israeli newspaper Ha`retz revealed on Sept 17 that these were the same men who were seen ``celebrating`` and ``making mocking gestures`` as the Twin Towers collapsed.
** The Jerusalem Post reported on October 26 that the Israelis were smiling as they photograhed themselves with the collapsed towers in the background.
MORE SUSPICIOUS ISRAELI ``MOVERS`` DETAINED WITH DETAILED VIDEO OF SEARS TOWER
THE MERCURY (PHILADEPHIA AREA NEWSPAPER), POTTSTOWN, PENNSYLVANIA www.zwire.com/site/mercury_101801.html
MICHELLE MOWAD, Special to The Mercury, October 17, 2001
PLYMOUTH (PA) -- Two men whom police described as Middle Eastern were detained in the township by federal immigration authorities after being found with detailed video footage of the Sears Tower in Chicago.
Plymouth Police encountered the men after an officer responded to Pizzeria Uno on West Ridge Pike at 2:40 p.m. Thursday for a report of illegal dumping.
A manager there advised the police officer that a tractor-trailer was observed backed up to the dumpster at the rear of the restaurant. The manager noticed a freshly dumped pile of furniture adjacent to the Dumpster, according to police. The manager confronted the vehicle`s operator, a Middle Eastern man, police said.
The man, who later identified himself as Moshe Elmakias, 30, denied that he did anything and fled the scene, heading west on West Ridge Pike... The manager was able to provide township police with the Florida registration number of the tractor-trailer and said that a sign posted on the side of the vehicle read ``Moving Systems Incorporated`` police said.
The area was searched by township police, and the vehicle was spotted parked on the curb in front of John Kennedy Ford on Ridge Pike. An officer proceeded to make contact with the occupants of the truck by knocking on the cab, according to reports.
A Middle Eastern man, later identified as Ron Katar, 23, exited the sleeper area of the cab and said that the operator was across the street as he pointed toward the Don Rosen Porsche dealer, reports said.
Elmakias and a white female, Ayelet Reisler, 23, were approaching the vehicle from the dealership, but the female then began walking in a different direction, acting as if she were not with Elmakias, according to reports. Reisler was detained and checked for identification. She had a German passport in her name and medication in a different name, police said. Plymouth Police Sgt. Thomas Longo was notified and responded to the incident.
Elmakias allegedly admitted to being behind Pizzeria Uno, although he said that he did not dump furniture, he was only turning around. Elmakias said that his destination was New York and that he was also coming from New York. He said he was in Plymouth because he was supposed to make a pickup in the morning and pointed toward the Storage USA facility on Belvoir Road , police said. Elmakias could not, however, provide a name or telephone number of the customer.
Township police dispatched a request for a Motor Carrier Program Inspector. Officer Gerald Schwartz of the Whitpain Police Department responded. Schwartz discovered through his investigation that the operator`s log had been falsified and put the truck out of service due to violations. Inspection of the tractor-trailer`s contents revealed a load three-quarters full containing household items, including furniture and boxes. Among the items in the truck was a Sony video camera. Plymouth Police Officer David McCann reviewed the tape found inside the camera. The tape had video footage of Chicago with zoomed-in shots of the Sears Tower, according to police.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation was notified of the incident and all three subjects were transported to the Plymouth Police station. FBI Agents James Sweeney and Richard Tofani arrived at the station and proceeded to investigate both the subjects and their belongings with the assistance of Immigration and Naturalization Services. All evidence collected by Plymouth and Whitpain officers was transferred to federal facilities. Special Agent Linda Vizi, a spokeswoman for the Philadelphia FBI, could not be contacted for comment on further investigations.
*The names of the 3 ``Middle Easterners`` named above are clearly of Israeli-Jewish origin.
WANTED BY FBI: STILL MORE SUSPICIOUS MEN WITH ISRAELI PASSPORTS, BOX-CUTTERS,
OIL PIPELINE AND NUCLEAR POWER PLANT PLANS.
SOURCE: THE MIAMI HERALD www.miami.com/herald/special/news/terrorism/digdocs/088964.htm
Nuclear plants tighten security. FBI seeking 6 men seen in Midwest.
BY MARTIN MERZER, CURTIS MORGAN AND LENNY SAVINO mmerzer@herald.com OCTOBER 3,2001
WASHINGTON -- As the nation stands on high alert, the FBI is searching for six men stopped by police in the Midwest last weekend but released -- even though they possessed photos and descriptions of a nuclear power plant in Florida and the Trans-Alaska pipeline, a senior law enforcement official said Tuesday.
The Federal Aviation Administration imposed new flight restrictions around nuclear plants nationwide Tuesday, and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission advised the nation`s 103 nuclear plants late Monday to fortify security. On Tuesday, agency spokesmen said the FAA`s flight restrictions and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission`s security recommendations were based on Ashcroft`s general alert rather than a specific threat. Ashcroft warned that Americans could be struck by another terrorist attack this week.
The incident in the Midwest apparently contributed to the new warning. The six men stopped by police were traveling in groups of three in two white sedans, said a senior law enforcement official, who requested anonymity.
SUSPICIOUS MATERIAL
In addition to the photographs and other suspicious material, they carried ``box cutters and other equipment,`` the official said. They appeared to be from the Middle East and held Israeli passports. They were let go after the Immigration and Naturalization Service determined that the passports were valid and that the men had entered the United States legally, the official said.
The FBI declined to comment. An INS spokesman called the report unfounded. ``We have absolutely no information at this point in time to substantiate that story,`` said the agency`s Russ Bergeron. It could not be learned in what state the six men were stopped or how they aroused suspicion. It was not known whether their true identities matched those on the passports, or why the FBI was not releasing their names or descriptions.
Investigators think the men almost certainly have changed cars by now and have fled to Canada or elsewhere. Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller were ``furious`` that the INS allowed the men to be released without consulting the FBI, the official said. Ashcroft and Mueller appeared Monday evening at a news conference to announce that the government had ``credible`` but vague information that another wave of terrorist attacks could strike Americans within a week.
ON ALERT
Spokeswoman Rachel Scott said FPL`s plants remained at the highest level of alert. ``We are in very close communication with all levels of law enforcement, including the FBI, to ensure we have the security measures in place to protect the plants,`` she said. Also Tuesday, the FAA restricted all flights below 18,000 feet and within 10 miles of 86 ``sensitive nuclear sites`` , the agency said. Exceptions can be made for law enforcement, medical and firefighting flights. The 800-mile-long Trans-Alaska Pipeline runs from Prudhoe Bay on the Arctic Ocean to Valdez on the Pacific.
WORKERS AT ISRAELI OFFICE RECEIVED ADVANCE NOTICE OF THE 9-11 TERROR ATTACK
SOURCE: HA`ARETZ (ISRAELI NEWSPAPER) ENGLISH LANGUAGE EDITION
THIS STORY WAS ALSO CONFIRMED IN THE WASHINGTON POST
www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C
ODIGO SAYS WORKERS WERE WARNED OF ATTACK
By Yuval Dror
Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the attack informed the company`s management, which immediately contacted Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI. ``I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don`t know the sender. .......And I don`t know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made,`` said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.
OSAMA BIN LADEN CLAIMS HE`S BEING FRAMED.
``I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. There exists a government within the government of the United States. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks.... The United States should trace the perpetrators of these attacks to those persons who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own nation could survive.
- Osama Bin Laden (Source: BBC)
``BY WAY OF DECEPTION THOU SHALT DO WAR.`` THE MOTTO OF THE MOSSAD (Israeli Intelligence)
In 1956, as reported by the Times Of London, during one of Israel`s perpetual wars with its neighbors, the Mossad tried to trick the United States into siding with Israel against the Arabs by blowing up a US facility in Cairo and blaming the Arabs for it. The plot was wrecked when the operatives were caught and confessed, creating a huge scandal. And according to Victor Ostrovski, a defector from the Mossad, the USA was tricked into bombing Libya when the Mossad planted a radio transmitter in Tripoli which sent out fake orders to terrorists which the USA could intercept.
The young ones who read this in Pakistan must confront their seniors and teachers to teach them more and more about US--the lone terrorist, so that Pakistan becomes Pakeeza.
A curse upon you scum , a fie upon you bootlickers.
Learn something from Bangladesh who after separating from the sikh-chhittar-loving brigades have outdone the goraa-goo-chaaters of Pakistan.
Instead of worrying about something that would please your masters O baighairat O laantee , bring to the attention of the Pakistani public which results in more hatred against the enemies of the muslims--the lapdogs of U.S.
For example have the courage to print this stuff in your newspaper. Do something worthwhile rather than trying to be a kalloo-saab..the illiterate anglo-phile of Pakisland.
You just cover-up your low I.Q by alien accent and goraa-dress. Smart practicing muslims consider you a vermin. Never ever forget this.
9/11 revisited because the memories are coveniently short. O what would you not pay to get fkked by a goraa.
ISRAELIS ARRESTED ON SUSPICION OF 9-11 INVOLVEMENT.
TRIO WHO CHEERED ATTACK FACE BOOT AS ILLEGAL ALIENS.
By AL GUART (NEW YORK POST) www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/
September 13, 2001 -- Three men who celebrated as the Twin Towers crumbled are facing deportation, The Post has learned. The men, described as illegal immigrants from the Middle East, were arrested Tuesday afternoon in a white Chevy van near the Meadowlands based on a tip from witnesses who saw them ``cheering`` and ``jumping up and down`` in Liberty State Park after the attack, a source said.
Witnesses took the plate number and the FBI sent out an alert to area cops, reading: ``Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack . . . Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion.``
Port Authority cops nabbed the three as they drove along Route 3 in East Rutherford in the van, which had the words ``Urban Moving Systems`` painted on it. After grilling the men and searching the van in vain for explosives, the FBI turned the men over to the Immigration and Naturalization Service for deportation.
The feds declined to release the men`s identities or nationalities. ``The agency has decided it will not make any comments about this at this time,`` said INS spokesman Kerry Gill. Officials at ``Urban Moving`` claimed to be unaware of what had happened.
FIVE MEN DETAINED AS SUSPECTED CONSPIRATORS
BERGEN RECORD (New Jersey) Wednesday, September 12, 2001 www.bergen.com/news/2bombvan200109125.htm
By PAULO LIMA Staff Writer
Eight hours after terrorists struck Manhattan`s tallest skyscrapers, police in Bergen County detained five men who they said were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts. The five men, who were in a van stopped on Route 3 in East Rutherford around 4:30 p.m., were being questioned by police but had not been charged with any crime late Tuesday.
However, sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot. ``There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted,`` the source said. ``It looked like they`re hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.``
Sources also said that bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives. The FBI seized the van for further testing, authorities said. Sources said the van was stopped as it headed east on Route 3, between the Hackensack River bridge and the Sheraton hotel. As a precaution, police shut down Route 3 traffic in both directions after the stop and evacuated a small roadside motel near the Sheraton.
Sources close to the investigation said the men said they were Israeli tourists, but police had not been able to confirm their identities. Authorities would not release their names. East Rutherford officers stopped the van after the FBI`s Newark Office broadcast an alert asking surrounding police departments to look for a white Chevrolet van, police said.
``We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side,`` said Bergen County Police Chief John Schmidig. ``Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down.``
East Rutherford officers summoned the county bomb squad, New Jersey state troopers, and FBI agents, who waited alongside the van as prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney`s Office tried to obtain a warrant to search the van late Tuesday, Schmidig said. The FBI alert, known as a BOLO or ``Be On Lookout,`` was sent out at 3:31 p.m. It read:
``Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with `Urban Moving Systems` sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center. ``Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals.``
State police Col. Barry W. Roberson confirmed the traffic stop at a late night news briefing at state police headquarters in Trenton. He would not elaborate, however. A business traveler staying at the Homestead Studio Hotel said she watched state troopers drive the suspects away in a procession of state police cars about 5 p.m. ``First, they told us we could hang out in the lobby, but then they told us to leave,`` the traveler said.
At 10 p.m., the hotel guest said she could see at least two police officers searching through the van while a crowd of other officers kept their distance.
THE SUSPICIOUS ``MIDDLE EASTERN MOVERS`` WERE ISRAELIS WITH BOXCUTTERS,
EUROPEAN PASSPORTS AND $4000 CASH
SOURCE: ISRAEL NATIONAL NEWS
Arutz Sheva News Service IsraelNationalNews.com 10-26-1
Five young Israelis are ``on the verge of collapse,`` according to family members, as their incarceration in New York on charges relating to the Bin Laden attacks continues. They were arrested on Sept. 11, only hours after the World Trade Center attack, on charges of ``plotting to blow up`` a New York bridge. Katie Shmuel of the Galilee town of Yokne`am, says that her son Yaron is in ``a very critical psychological situation,`` given that they are not allowed to have visitors and the difficult conditions in which they are being held. ``The Israeli Consul-General in New York was allowed to visit only after asking several times and receiving a special permit,`` Katie told Arutz-7`s Yosef Zalmanson today. ``He was allowed to talk to them only in English, and only from behind a glass partition. The Consul told me that the boys are in a bad state and that they are being held under difficult conditions.``
When asked why the five youths, aged 22-26, are being held, Katie replied with despair: ``It`s ludicrous. They were on the George Washington Bridge at the time of the bombing, and the FBI had warnings of a terrorist plot, of guys in a white van, to blow up the bridge. So when the FBI saw this van, with my son and his four friends - one of them had a large sum of money, there were two razor knives in the van, and one of the boys is named Omer, which the FBI guys thought was Omar - they put one and one together and got three, and immediately arrested them... For the first few days, the boys were held in an FBI dungeon, tied up, with no clothes and no food.``
*The Israeli newspaper Ha`retz revealed on Sept 17 that these were the same men who were seen ``celebrating`` and ``making mocking gestures`` as the Twin Towers collapsed.
** The Jerusalem Post reported on October 26 that the Israelis were smiling as they photograhed themselves with the collapsed towers in the background.
MORE SUSPICIOUS ISRAELI ``MOVERS`` DETAINED WITH DETAILED VIDEO OF SEARS TOWER
THE MERCURY (PHILADEPHIA AREA NEWSPAPER), POTTSTOWN, PENNSYLVANIA www.zwire.com/site/mercury_101801.html
MICHELLE MOWAD, Special to The Mercury, October 17, 2001
PLYMOUTH (PA) -- Two men whom police described as Middle Eastern were detained in the township by federal immigration authorities after being found with detailed video footage of the Sears Tower in Chicago.
Plymouth Police encountered the men after an officer responded to Pizzeria Uno on West Ridge Pike at 2:40 p.m. Thursday for a report of illegal dumping.
A manager there advised the police officer that a tractor-trailer was observed backed up to the dumpster at the rear of the restaurant. The manager noticed a freshly dumped pile of furniture adjacent to the Dumpster, according to police. The manager confronted the vehicle`s operator, a Middle Eastern man, police said.
The man, who later identified himself as Moshe Elmakias, 30, denied that he did anything and fled the scene, heading west on West Ridge Pike... The manager was able to provide township police with the Florida registration number of the tractor-trailer and said that a sign posted on the side of the vehicle read ``Moving Systems Incorporated`` police said.
The area was searched by township police, and the vehicle was spotted parked on the curb in front of John Kennedy Ford on Ridge Pike. An officer proceeded to make contact with the occupants of the truck by knocking on the cab, according to reports.
A Middle Eastern man, later identified as Ron Katar, 23, exited the sleeper area of the cab and said that the operator was across the street as he pointed toward the Don Rosen Porsche dealer, reports said.
Elmakias and a white female, Ayelet Reisler, 23, were approaching the vehicle from the dealership, but the female then began walking in a different direction, acting as if she were not with Elmakias, according to reports. Reisler was detained and checked for identification. She had a German passport in her name and medication in a different name, police said. Plymouth Police Sgt. Thomas Longo was notified and responded to the incident.
Elmakias allegedly admitted to being behind Pizzeria Uno, although he said that he did not dump furniture, he was only turning around. Elmakias said that his destination was New York and that he was also coming from New York. He said he was in Plymouth because he was supposed to make a pickup in the morning and pointed toward the Storage USA facility on Belvoir Road , police said. Elmakias could not, however, provide a name or telephone number of the customer.
Township police dispatched a request for a Motor Carrier Program Inspector. Officer Gerald Schwartz of the Whitpain Police Department responded. Schwartz discovered through his investigation that the operator`s log had been falsified and put the truck out of service due to violations. Inspection of the tractor-trailer`s contents revealed a load three-quarters full containing household items, including furniture and boxes. Among the items in the truck was a Sony video camera. Plymouth Police Officer David McCann reviewed the tape found inside the camera. The tape had video footage of Chicago with zoomed-in shots of the Sears Tower, according to police.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation was notified of the incident and all three subjects were transported to the Plymouth Police station. FBI Agents James Sweeney and Richard Tofani arrived at the station and proceeded to investigate both the subjects and their belongings with the assistance of Immigration and Naturalization Services. All evidence collected by Plymouth and Whitpain officers was transferred to federal facilities. Special Agent Linda Vizi, a spokeswoman for the Philadelphia FBI, could not be contacted for comment on further investigations.
*The names of the 3 ``Middle Easterners`` named above are clearly of Israeli-Jewish origin.
WANTED BY FBI: STILL MORE SUSPICIOUS MEN WITH ISRAELI PASSPORTS, BOX-CUTTERS,
OIL PIPELINE AND NUCLEAR POWER PLANT PLANS.
SOURCE: THE MIAMI HERALD www.miami.com/herald/special/news/terrorism/digdocs/088964.htm
Nuclear plants tighten security. FBI seeking 6 men seen in Midwest.
BY MARTIN MERZER, CURTIS MORGAN AND LENNY SAVINO mmerzer@herald.com OCTOBER 3,2001
WASHINGTON -- As the nation stands on high alert, the FBI is searching for six men stopped by police in the Midwest last weekend but released -- even though they possessed photos and descriptions of a nuclear power plant in Florida and the Trans-Alaska pipeline, a senior law enforcement official said Tuesday.
The Federal Aviation Administration imposed new flight restrictions around nuclear plants nationwide Tuesday, and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission advised the nation`s 103 nuclear plants late Monday to fortify security. On Tuesday, agency spokesmen said the FAA`s flight restrictions and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission`s security recommendations were based on Ashcroft`s general alert rather than a specific threat. Ashcroft warned that Americans could be struck by another terrorist attack this week.
The incident in the Midwest apparently contributed to the new warning. The six men stopped by police were traveling in groups of three in two white sedans, said a senior law enforcement official, who requested anonymity.
SUSPICIOUS MATERIAL
In addition to the photographs and other suspicious material, they carried ``box cutters and other equipment,`` the official said. They appeared to be from the Middle East and held Israeli passports. They were let go after the Immigration and Naturalization Service determined that the passports were valid and that the men had entered the United States legally, the official said.
The FBI declined to comment. An INS spokesman called the report unfounded. ``We have absolutely no information at this point in time to substantiate that story,`` said the agency`s Russ Bergeron. It could not be learned in what state the six men were stopped or how they aroused suspicion. It was not known whether their true identities matched those on the passports, or why the FBI was not releasing their names or descriptions.
Investigators think the men almost certainly have changed cars by now and have fled to Canada or elsewhere. Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller were ``furious`` that the INS allowed the men to be released without consulting the FBI, the official said. Ashcroft and Mueller appeared Monday evening at a news conference to announce that the government had ``credible`` but vague information that another wave of terrorist attacks could strike Americans within a week.
ON ALERT
Spokeswoman Rachel Scott said FPL`s plants remained at the highest level of alert. ``We are in very close communication with all levels of law enforcement, including the FBI, to ensure we have the security measures in place to protect the plants,`` she said. Also Tuesday, the FAA restricted all flights below 18,000 feet and within 10 miles of 86 ``sensitive nuclear sites`` , the agency said. Exceptions can be made for law enforcement, medical and firefighting flights. The 800-mile-long Trans-Alaska Pipeline runs from Prudhoe Bay on the Arctic Ocean to Valdez on the Pacific.
WORKERS AT ISRAELI OFFICE RECEIVED ADVANCE NOTICE OF THE 9-11 TERROR ATTACK
SOURCE: HA`ARETZ (ISRAELI NEWSPAPER) ENGLISH LANGUAGE EDITION
THIS STORY WAS ALSO CONFIRMED IN THE WASHINGTON POST
www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C
ODIGO SAYS WORKERS WERE WARNED OF ATTACK
By Yuval Dror
Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the attack informed the company`s management, which immediately contacted Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI. ``I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don`t know the sender. .......And I don`t know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made,`` said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.
OSAMA BIN LADEN CLAIMS HE`S BEING FRAMED.
``I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. There exists a government within the government of the United States. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks.... The United States should trace the perpetrators of these attacks to those persons who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own nation could survive.
- Osama Bin Laden (Source: BBC)
``BY WAY OF DECEPTION THOU SHALT DO WAR.`` THE MOTTO OF THE MOSSAD (Israeli Intelligence)
In 1956, as reported by the Times Of London, during one of Israel`s perpetual wars with its neighbors, the Mossad tried to trick the United States into siding with Israel against the Arabs by blowing up a US facility in Cairo and blaming the Arabs for it. The plot was wrecked when the operatives were caught and confessed, creating a huge scandal. And according to Victor Ostrovski, a defector from the Mossad, the USA was tricked into bombing Libya when the Mossad planted a radio transmitter in Tripoli which sent out fake orders to terrorists which the USA could intercept.
The young ones who read this in Pakistan must confront their seniors and teachers to teach them more and more about US--the lone terrorist, so that Pakistan becomes Pakeeza.
#21 Posted by sadna on March 17, 2004 7:53:53 pm
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_18-3-2004_pg7_25
``..Moved by Fareed Piracha of Mutahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), the Attention Notice criticized that change in the syllabus on the recommendatory report of the non government organization Sustainable Development Policy Institute (SPDI), deletion of some Quranic verses and other anti-Indian portions from text books was “causing grave concern among the public”.
The education minister dismissed the argument that changes were made on the report by the NGO. A review committee had been formed by the education ministry to review that report after it had received remarkable media coverage, she said, adding the committee found the report biased and rejected it.
Deputy parliamentary leader of the MMA Hafiz Hussain Ahmed asked why the Sura Toba was deleted from the books of Islamic Studies for higher classes. He was concerned by the deletion because the Sura urged Muslims to jihad.
The education minister said Sura Toba was a continuation of Sura Infall and is replaced with same Sura. She said Sura Toba was a lengthy Sura and students found it difficult to learn by rote.
The education minister informed the house that scholars of all Muslim sects approved the latest textbooks of Islamiat for classes I to XII.
She referred to Sura Kafiroon and asked the religious leaders to understand the spirit and true message of that Sura, adding that only God would determine the fate of Muslims and non-believers on judgment day.
Member of Pakistan Muslim League (Quaid-e-Azam) MP Bhandara commented that he was shocked to see the MMA members opposing deletion of anti-India portions from the text books, against the backdrop of peace efforts by India and Pakistan.``
And with what chutzpah Musharraf was preaching to Indians about Hindi movies.
``..Moved by Fareed Piracha of Mutahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), the Attention Notice criticized that change in the syllabus on the recommendatory report of the non government organization Sustainable Development Policy Institute (SPDI), deletion of some Quranic verses and other anti-Indian portions from text books was “causing grave concern among the public”.
The education minister dismissed the argument that changes were made on the report by the NGO. A review committee had been formed by the education ministry to review that report after it had received remarkable media coverage, she said, adding the committee found the report biased and rejected it.
Deputy parliamentary leader of the MMA Hafiz Hussain Ahmed asked why the Sura Toba was deleted from the books of Islamic Studies for higher classes. He was concerned by the deletion because the Sura urged Muslims to jihad.
The education minister said Sura Toba was a continuation of Sura Infall and is replaced with same Sura. She said Sura Toba was a lengthy Sura and students found it difficult to learn by rote.
The education minister informed the house that scholars of all Muslim sects approved the latest textbooks of Islamiat for classes I to XII.
She referred to Sura Kafiroon and asked the religious leaders to understand the spirit and true message of that Sura, adding that only God would determine the fate of Muslims and non-believers on judgment day.
Member of Pakistan Muslim League (Quaid-e-Azam) MP Bhandara commented that he was shocked to see the MMA members opposing deletion of anti-India portions from the text books, against the backdrop of peace efforts by India and Pakistan.``
And with what chutzpah Musharraf was preaching to Indians about Hindi movies.
#22 Posted by echoboom on March 17, 2004 9:33:21 pm
This is the kind of stuff which Cavasjee/Ghavasjee types should write. Something which reflects the hopes and aspirations of the learned people of Pakistan..Not the anglicised ignorant scum from totaa-mainaa schools.
Give up your `accent` and gora-style. Repent .Reform. Return to roots.

Give up your `accent` and gora-style. Repent .Reform. Return to roots.

#23 Posted by sadna on March 17, 2004 10:06:54 pm
echoboom
I can`t help asking. Can you pl. tell me what the title is - is it `Masalahat ya Ghairat`? What is Masalahat?
I can`t help asking. Can you pl. tell me what the title is - is it `Masalahat ya Ghairat`? What is Masalahat?
#24 Posted by echoboom on March 17, 2004 10:40:52 pm
Sadna:23
it is, as you correctly wrote `Masalahat ya Ghairat`.
M`s`l`h`t: consider ` as zbars. as in english:bUrg b`rg.
means: expediency, pragmatism, policy of convenience;appeasement, ad-hocism. Preferring to protect on`es personal arse or position at the expense of honor and dignity of the nation.
In short: Pakistani geedUrship vs US wolves.
it is, as you correctly wrote `Masalahat ya Ghairat`.
M`s`l`h`t: consider ` as zbars. as in english:bUrg b`rg.
means: expediency, pragmatism, policy of convenience;appeasement, ad-hocism. Preferring to protect on`es personal arse or position at the expense of honor and dignity of the nation.
In short: Pakistani geedUrship vs US wolves.
#25 Posted by sadna on March 18, 2004 8:10:05 am
echoboom
Is the first paragraph of article saying the Spanish people deserved those attacks?
Is the first paragraph of article saying the Spanish people deserved those attacks?
#26 Posted by sadna on March 18, 2004 8:35:30 am
echoboom
PS: Thanks for helping, btw. I tried learning the script some 10 years ago and can`t help trying to read whenever I see it. But I am very slow and mostly get only that part which has common vocabulary with Hindi.
PS: Thanks for helping, btw. I tried learning the script some 10 years ago and can`t help trying to read whenever I see it. But I am very slow and mostly get only that part which has common vocabulary with Hindi.
#27 Posted by echoboom on March 18, 2004 11:16:37 am
No sadna:
The very first paragraph is about the persecution and expulsion of jews post-muslim spain.
The gist of the article is about the tenacity and tensility of the Jews to retain their identity and never melting away into mainstream ``pots``. The article brings home the idea that those who cherish honour and dignity above expediency and compromising of the fundamentals are doomed to become indians--red-indians, that is*
*italicised words mine to bring home the point.
The very first paragraph is about the persecution and expulsion of jews post-muslim spain.
The gist of the article is about the tenacity and tensility of the Jews to retain their identity and never melting away into mainstream ``pots``. The article brings home the idea that those who cherish honour and dignity above expediency and compromising of the fundamentals are doomed to become indians--red-indians, that is*
*italicised words mine to bring home the point.
#28 Posted by sadna on March 18, 2004 11:16:38 am
OK, perhaps I get it. Subsequently it talks of how Jews hold up their heads in Europe despite anti-Semitism? But does the last line refer to Srirangapattam fort or am I totally off? Sorry for pestering.
#29 Posted by sadna on March 18, 2004 12:02:12 pm
Don`t laugh please - to me the last bit reads `hum ghairat ki zindagi guzaar sakthey hain - sharth sirf yeh hai ki Srirangpattam(?) ke qiley par hukumrani sher ki ho` .
#30 Posted by echoboom on March 18, 2004 12:02:12 pm
Sadna:
No pestering Sadna. I , for a change, am savouring the attention.
He is talking about the Lion of Sringapatam: Tipu Sultan and his famous and celebrated quote esp. among muslims :`` A single-day`s life of a Lion is far better than a 100 year`s life of a jackal.
No pestering Sadna. I , for a change, am savouring the attention.
He is talking about the Lion of Sringapatam: Tipu Sultan and his famous and celebrated quote esp. among muslims :`` A single-day`s life of a Lion is far better than a 100 year`s life of a jackal.
#31 Posted by echoboom on March 18, 2004 2:11:55 pm
Sadna: you are doing quite well.
This is anther way of telling Musharraf that he is a geedhuRR.
This is anther way of telling Musharraf that he is a geedhuRR.
#32 Posted by sadna on March 18, 2004 3:01:12 pm
echoboom
OK, I understand now. It is nice to have someone to explain. You have been very patient, thanks!
OK, I understand now. It is nice to have someone to explain. You have been very patient, thanks!
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