Chowk Staff March 11, 2004
#119 Posted by impressions on March 17, 2004 9:15:46 am
Game Three – The big one!
There’s a rule of thumb in American sports. And the Americans know a lot about 5-game series and 7-game series because basketball, baseball & Hockey all use those formats.
The rule is that in a five game series, whoever wins game 3, wins the series and in a seven game series, whoever game 4 wins the series.
So here we go, game three!
Re: Romair #100,
Pakistan did not kick India’s butt in Pindi and neither did India kick Pakistan’s butt in Karachi. Now go play battleship.
Re: Yasser #107,
Simmer down brother, Tendya has not surpassed the Don. That is shear heresy.
I have been having debates with all and sundry (mostly Pakistanis) for years now trying to argue my case to anoint Tendya as the second greatest Batsman in the history of cricket. I have been known to shut off the Tele after Tendya gets out but even I wont make a sacrilegious statement like that.
Sir Donald George Bradman may have been the single greatest sportsperson to walk this planet. The statistical difference between the Don’s record and the next comparable best is the largest in any sport worldwide. By far!
ESPN rates Michael Jordan as the greatest sportsperson of all time and he’s actually tied with Wilt Chamberlain for points per game (30.1). And there are two current players (O’Neal & Iverson) who are within 10% of MJ’s ppg average.
To give you an analogy, what Bradman did would be like playing 3000 baseball games with a lifetime batting average of .600! Or like playing 1000 basketball games with a ppg of 50!
And you may argue that statistics dont mean everything and there are other factors such as the impact that sportsperson has on their sport and on the population in general. You may point to how much more greater Ali was than someone like Holmes who actually had a better record. But even by that token there is no one like the Don. Australians consider him the greatest Australina ever. Bar none! In a similar pole conducted in India Tendya finished at number 8 even despite his god like status. Mother Teresa finished first!
There’s a rule of thumb in American sports. And the Americans know a lot about 5-game series and 7-game series because basketball, baseball & Hockey all use those formats.
The rule is that in a five game series, whoever wins game 3, wins the series and in a seven game series, whoever game 4 wins the series.
So here we go, game three!
Re: Romair #100,
Pakistan did not kick India’s butt in Pindi and neither did India kick Pakistan’s butt in Karachi. Now go play battleship.
Re: Yasser #107,
Simmer down brother, Tendya has not surpassed the Don. That is shear heresy.
I have been having debates with all and sundry (mostly Pakistanis) for years now trying to argue my case to anoint Tendya as the second greatest Batsman in the history of cricket. I have been known to shut off the Tele after Tendya gets out but even I wont make a sacrilegious statement like that.
Sir Donald George Bradman may have been the single greatest sportsperson to walk this planet. The statistical difference between the Don’s record and the next comparable best is the largest in any sport worldwide. By far!
ESPN rates Michael Jordan as the greatest sportsperson of all time and he’s actually tied with Wilt Chamberlain for points per game (30.1). And there are two current players (O’Neal & Iverson) who are within 10% of MJ’s ppg average.
To give you an analogy, what Bradman did would be like playing 3000 baseball games with a lifetime batting average of .600! Or like playing 1000 basketball games with a ppg of 50!
And you may argue that statistics dont mean everything and there are other factors such as the impact that sportsperson has on their sport and on the population in general. You may point to how much more greater Ali was than someone like Holmes who actually had a better record. But even by that token there is no one like the Don. Australians consider him the greatest Australina ever. Bar none! In a similar pole conducted in India Tendya finished at number 8 even despite his god like status. Mother Teresa finished first!
#118 Posted by sadna on March 17, 2004 9:15:45 am
Urstruly
Dunno why you are shedding tears for the 600-700 foreign militants hiding in the tribal areas. Local people are at least able to flee the fighting. Imagine if these militants were holed up in a Karachi or Peshawar madrassa compound instead.
Dunno why you are shedding tears for the 600-700 foreign militants hiding in the tribal areas. Local people are at least able to flee the fighting. Imagine if these militants were holed up in a Karachi or Peshawar madrassa compound instead.
#117 Posted by gujjubania on March 17, 2004 8:48:00 am
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#116 Posted by tahmed32 on March 17, 2004 8:29:55 am
urstruly #108 I am glad you have finally expressed concerned for the Bengalis - where were you the past three years when I was calling for those responsible for the criminal actions against civilians in 1971 to be brought to justice? Or is this concern of yours merely something convenient you have picked up on now.
Furthermore, there is a big difference between the bengalis and the taliban/terrorists and dont even dare to compare the two: The bengalis were fighting for the RIGHT to rule themselves. The taliban were fighting to rule other through MIGHT. The difference between the two is the difference between good and evil. And if you dont know the difference, then rest assured you will have plenty of time to learn the difference after the Judgement Day (if you truly believe in it).
As for the terrorists, they are bigger followers of iblis than the taliban themselves: They dont even fight. Period. They launch cowardly attacks against innocent civilians.
Too many innocent lives have been lost for this to be treated as a joke where you can go about your mullah talk. 50 young Pakistanis lost their lives on 9/11. You may not care for them, but some of us will never forget that. Hundreds of innocent Pakistanis have been killed by these animals. You may not care for them, but all true Pakistanis do. Thousands of innocent non-Pakistanis have been killed by these animals. You may not care for them, but all decent humans do. And God does too, I am sure.
Furthermore, there is a big difference between the bengalis and the taliban/terrorists and dont even dare to compare the two: The bengalis were fighting for the RIGHT to rule themselves. The taliban were fighting to rule other through MIGHT. The difference between the two is the difference between good and evil. And if you dont know the difference, then rest assured you will have plenty of time to learn the difference after the Judgement Day (if you truly believe in it).
As for the terrorists, they are bigger followers of iblis than the taliban themselves: They dont even fight. Period. They launch cowardly attacks against innocent civilians.
Too many innocent lives have been lost for this to be treated as a joke where you can go about your mullah talk. 50 young Pakistanis lost their lives on 9/11. You may not care for them, but some of us will never forget that. Hundreds of innocent Pakistanis have been killed by these animals. You may not care for them, but all true Pakistanis do. Thousands of innocent non-Pakistanis have been killed by these animals. You may not care for them, but all decent humans do. And God does too, I am sure.
#115 Posted by Urstruly on March 17, 2004 8:25:53 am
Malik
What has become of our country - my parents and uncles still cry at the loss of half of our country; they saw that tragedy happening with their own eyes as we lost half of our country because of these lawless whore generals; and now I have to see another tragedy in the making with my own eyes. God what an unfortunate nation we are.
Currently, there are sixty thousand plus personnel of Na Pak fouj raging a war against its own citizens. One doesn`t need sixty thousand military men to capture 400 ``terrorsits``, it is a war against the whole region. Inna lillah e wa inna ilaihe rajeoon.
What has become of our country - my parents and uncles still cry at the loss of half of our country; they saw that tragedy happening with their own eyes as we lost half of our country because of these lawless whore generals; and now I have to see another tragedy in the making with my own eyes. God what an unfortunate nation we are.
Currently, there are sixty thousand plus personnel of Na Pak fouj raging a war against its own citizens. One doesn`t need sixty thousand military men to capture 400 ``terrorsits``, it is a war against the whole region. Inna lillah e wa inna ilaihe rajeoon.
#114 Posted by malik99 on March 17, 2004 8:25:20 am
#110 tahmed - I am sickened by your keeping ``score`` of murdered civilians. You are completely ignorant of who were killed. These were innocent tribal people who have always fiercely resisted being controlled by the slavish Pakistanis.
I wonder if you would still be keeping this score if your wife, daughter and mother were included in that ``game``. Or would it be like hitting the ball out of the stadium!
I wonder if you would still be keeping this score if your wife, daughter and mother were included in that ``game``. Or would it be like hitting the ball out of the stadium!
#113 Posted by jang on March 17, 2004 8:13:48 am
shridhar and gandiBhujjia, you guys are so transparent....bahot ziada jal rahi hai?
I recommend that you pull-out the that HDI ranking chart from under your bed and indulge in autoeroticism.
And Inzi shaving is just not gonna do it. Finally, the women in India are not ga-ga over paki cricketeres, as they used to be in the past. They absolutely admire Yuvrajes and Kaifs. And sohaib is really ugly ...does he put coconut oil on his hair? Reminds me of the gay club from a sat-night-live skit.
YLH ``Yousaf Youhanna is a christian, and Danesh Kineria is a Hindu?`` Look, no real hindu uses Farsi sounding pastry name like Danish..and if Yohanna was a real x`tian, he would be called Joseph John like any good keralite..or at least Jose Juan. Clearly, he is scared of being gunned-down.
I recommend that you pull-out the that HDI ranking chart from under your bed and indulge in autoeroticism.
And Inzi shaving is just not gonna do it. Finally, the women in India are not ga-ga over paki cricketeres, as they used to be in the past. They absolutely admire Yuvrajes and Kaifs. And sohaib is really ugly ...does he put coconut oil on his hair? Reminds me of the gay club from a sat-night-live skit.
YLH ``Yousaf Youhanna is a christian, and Danesh Kineria is a Hindu?`` Look, no real hindu uses Farsi sounding pastry name like Danish..and if Yohanna was a real x`tian, he would be called Joseph John like any good keralite..or at least Jose Juan. Clearly, he is scared of being gunned-down.
#112 Posted by malik99 on March 17, 2004 8:13:48 am
#108 Urstruly - How much I agree with you. While the whole nation is taking leave from offices and schools to get drunk in these matches, and our girls are busy taking autographs of indian players, the pakistani army led by General Whore is quietly butchering innocent families in the name of fighting terrorism and to win favors of his western masters.
I wonder if General Whore bent over to India begging them to send their team over, so he could get the cover to do his evil deeds.
And horror ! More than 5000 personnel of paki security forces are assigned at each venue to provide protection to Indian team ! Could General Whore spare a few of these and provide security to shias being butchered in karachi and quetta, or the innocent families being harassed by the thugs under ``Nazims`` of rural areas?
No. General Whore would not do that. He only likes to bend over to those who can threaten him with sodomy. To his own weak innocent citizens, he likes to portray his macho self.
I wonder if General Whore bent over to India begging them to send their team over, so he could get the cover to do his evil deeds.
And horror ! More than 5000 personnel of paki security forces are assigned at each venue to provide protection to Indian team ! Could General Whore spare a few of these and provide security to shias being butchered in karachi and quetta, or the innocent families being harassed by the thugs under ``Nazims`` of rural areas?
No. General Whore would not do that. He only likes to bend over to those who can threaten him with sodomy. To his own weak innocent citizens, he likes to portray his macho self.
#111 Posted by Urstruly on March 17, 2004 7:45:33 am
tahmad
yeah that is what they used to say while committing the genocide of Bengalis - the word in vogue in those days was ``anti-social elements - samaaj dushman anasar`` whereas the word ``terrorist`` is a recent invention by your masters. And by the way one of your grand masters is in Paksitan currently to pay hommage to the army of orcs urging them to kill more Paksitani citizens.
yeah that is what they used to say while committing the genocide of Bengalis - the word in vogue in those days was ``anti-social elements - samaaj dushman anasar`` whereas the word ``terrorist`` is a recent invention by your masters. And by the way one of your grand masters is in Paksitan currently to pay hommage to the army of orcs urging them to kill more Paksitani citizens.
#110 Posted by mohar11 on March 17, 2004 7:31:21 am
#107 by Mantolives
//..Indians are no longer the meak, run-over team that Pakistan was so accustomed to...//
Manto - you are going overboard here. Indian teams in past have had their weaknesses - but they were no meek/run-overs. Achievements of those teams have been as impressive as any in the world. You should know better than that.
Similarly - paki teams have their share of achievements. But I don`t think any paki cricketers worth his name ever was ``accustomed to`` ``meek`` Indian teams.
//..Indians are no longer the meak, run-over team that Pakistan was so accustomed to...//
Manto - you are going overboard here. Indian teams in past have had their weaknesses - but they were no meek/run-overs. Achievements of those teams have been as impressive as any in the world. You should know better than that.
Similarly - paki teams have their share of achievements. But I don`t think any paki cricketers worth his name ever was ``accustomed to`` ``meek`` Indian teams.
#109 Posted by tahmed32 on March 17, 2004 7:31:21 am
urstruly #108 Yesterday 8 Pakistani paramilitary jawans and 1 (?) Pakistan Army jawans embraced shahadat, and in return they dispatched 24 of your terrorist friends to hell.
That is the score.
That is the score.
#108 Posted by Urstruly on March 17, 2004 7:20:54 am
Na Pak Fauj is committing extra-judicial murder of citizens of Paksitan while a shameless Pakistani nation enjoys cricket. Howzat.
#107 Posted by Khanbhai on March 17, 2004 6:41:27 am
I completely agreed with Imran Khan`s comments after the 2nd match: Afridi out, bring in Taufiq Umar and Imran Nazir. Shoaib Akhtar dramay baaz ko bhi nikaal daina chaheeay. He makes faces like someones squeezing his nuts and him and afridi gave away so many runs in the last few overs, when all they had to do was do straight tight balling and finish the overs.
Sami saved the day. The new guys should be given full rein of the team. The herofics suck big time and are drama queens and should be kicked out, like they were after the world cup fiasco, except this time they should be kept out. The thing which really pisses me about Shoaib is his detergent add line from the last world cup: `jab wicketein lainee hotee hain tau aap log kehtay hain, Shoaib hay na, jab dhabay nikaalnay hotay hai tau Surf hai na`. He makes me sick.
Dean Jones was also spot on when during the commentary he said that the Pakistani team loves to Panic. Ball araam se fielder ke paas jaa rahee hai and the team idiots, esp. Moin Khan has to shout, OOAAEY BALL ARAHEEY HAI UTHALAY, PHAINKH etc., like choots.
Sami saved the day. The new guys should be given full rein of the team. The herofics suck big time and are drama queens and should be kicked out, like they were after the world cup fiasco, except this time they should be kept out. The thing which really pisses me about Shoaib is his detergent add line from the last world cup: `jab wicketein lainee hotee hain tau aap log kehtay hain, Shoaib hay na, jab dhabay nikaalnay hotay hai tau Surf hai na`. He makes me sick.
Dean Jones was also spot on when during the commentary he said that the Pakistani team loves to Panic. Ball araam se fielder ke paas jaa rahee hai and the team idiots, esp. Moin Khan has to shout, OOAAEY BALL ARAHEEY HAI UTHALAY, PHAINKH etc., like choots.
#106 Posted by MantoLives on March 17, 2004 6:41:27 am
Hats off to Tendulkar... What a batsman. In my opinion he has far surpassed Sir Donald...
Great game... and Wajahat, if I was you, I wouldn`t be making tall claims as of yet. I want Pakistan to win 4-1 as well... but don`t consider the Indians such a walk over... Indians are no longer the meak, run-over team that Pakistan was so accustomed to ... a national confidence has emerged, and today every Indian plays like a Tiger... beating Indians will be a great achievement ... and I wish our boys the best.
On a side note, whats with the repetition of how Zaheer Khan and M.Kaif are muslims... Their religion has nothing to do with the game... should we like scream from the roof tops that Yousaf Youhanna is a christian, and Danesh Kineria is a Hindu? Does that have anything to do with Cricket... (Ref: Kuldip Nayyar`s article about how 14 muslims took the field on 13th March... ofcourse he pointed out that there were only 12 since Youhanna is a christian)
#105 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on March 16, 2004 11:57:18 pm
Inzamam should start shaving. Maybe it could uplift his image of being a bit lazy.
(too many beards coming up in Pakistani team?)
#104 Posted by HP on March 16, 2004 10:03:55 pm
#98 by HisExcellency
``If we had sent Razzaq in after Yasir Hameed`s dismissal at 225/3, Pakistan could have added another 20 runs to the total. ``
Right on! That`s exactly what I felt. In Karachi with very few balls left Razzaq was able to knock some runs when Younis was getting bogged down. It is clear that he is in good form.
In Pindi, I think Razzaq should have come in ahead of Moin or Shoaib Malik or both. Maindad`s decision to send Moin was weird.
Younis is more of a test match type of batsman and I think they may have to bring in Imran Nazeer in the middle order if not in the top order.
We have two top class teams, at least on the sub continent pitches, toughing it out and that is just great cricket.
``If we had sent Razzaq in after Yasir Hameed`s dismissal at 225/3, Pakistan could have added another 20 runs to the total. ``
Right on! That`s exactly what I felt. In Karachi with very few balls left Razzaq was able to knock some runs when Younis was getting bogged down. It is clear that he is in good form.
In Pindi, I think Razzaq should have come in ahead of Moin or Shoaib Malik or both. Maindad`s decision to send Moin was weird.
Younis is more of a test match type of batsman and I think they may have to bring in Imran Nazeer in the middle order if not in the top order.
We have two top class teams, at least on the sub continent pitches, toughing it out and that is just great cricket.
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