Chowk Staff March 11, 2004
#113 Posted by jang on March 17, 2004 8:13:48 am
shridhar and gandiBhujjia, you guys are so transparent....bahot ziada jal rahi hai?
I recommend that you pull-out the that HDI ranking chart from under your bed and indulge in autoeroticism.
And Inzi shaving is just not gonna do it. Finally, the women in India are not ga-ga over paki cricketeres, as they used to be in the past. They absolutely admire Yuvrajes and Kaifs. And sohaib is really ugly ...does he put coconut oil on his hair? Reminds me of the gay club from a sat-night-live skit.
YLH ``Yousaf Youhanna is a christian, and Danesh Kineria is a Hindu?`` Look, no real hindu uses Farsi sounding pastry name like Danish..and if Yohanna was a real x`tian, he would be called Joseph John like any good keralite..or at least Jose Juan. Clearly, he is scared of being gunned-down.
I recommend that you pull-out the that HDI ranking chart from under your bed and indulge in autoeroticism.
And Inzi shaving is just not gonna do it. Finally, the women in India are not ga-ga over paki cricketeres, as they used to be in the past. They absolutely admire Yuvrajes and Kaifs. And sohaib is really ugly ...does he put coconut oil on his hair? Reminds me of the gay club from a sat-night-live skit.
YLH ``Yousaf Youhanna is a christian, and Danesh Kineria is a Hindu?`` Look, no real hindu uses Farsi sounding pastry name like Danish..and if Yohanna was a real x`tian, he would be called Joseph John like any good keralite..or at least Jose Juan. Clearly, he is scared of being gunned-down.
#114 Posted by malik99 on March 17, 2004 8:25:20 am
#110 tahmed - I am sickened by your keeping ``score`` of murdered civilians. You are completely ignorant of who were killed. These were innocent tribal people who have always fiercely resisted being controlled by the slavish Pakistanis.
I wonder if you would still be keeping this score if your wife, daughter and mother were included in that ``game``. Or would it be like hitting the ball out of the stadium!
I wonder if you would still be keeping this score if your wife, daughter and mother were included in that ``game``. Or would it be like hitting the ball out of the stadium!
#115 Posted by Urstruly on March 17, 2004 8:25:53 am
Malik
What has become of our country - my parents and uncles still cry at the loss of half of our country; they saw that tragedy happening with their own eyes as we lost half of our country because of these lawless whore generals; and now I have to see another tragedy in the making with my own eyes. God what an unfortunate nation we are.
Currently, there are sixty thousand plus personnel of Na Pak fouj raging a war against its own citizens. One doesn`t need sixty thousand military men to capture 400 ``terrorsits``, it is a war against the whole region. Inna lillah e wa inna ilaihe rajeoon.
What has become of our country - my parents and uncles still cry at the loss of half of our country; they saw that tragedy happening with their own eyes as we lost half of our country because of these lawless whore generals; and now I have to see another tragedy in the making with my own eyes. God what an unfortunate nation we are.
Currently, there are sixty thousand plus personnel of Na Pak fouj raging a war against its own citizens. One doesn`t need sixty thousand military men to capture 400 ``terrorsits``, it is a war against the whole region. Inna lillah e wa inna ilaihe rajeoon.
#116 Posted by tahmed32 on March 17, 2004 8:29:55 am
urstruly #108 I am glad you have finally expressed concerned for the Bengalis - where were you the past three years when I was calling for those responsible for the criminal actions against civilians in 1971 to be brought to justice? Or is this concern of yours merely something convenient you have picked up on now.
Furthermore, there is a big difference between the bengalis and the taliban/terrorists and dont even dare to compare the two: The bengalis were fighting for the RIGHT to rule themselves. The taliban were fighting to rule other through MIGHT. The difference between the two is the difference between good and evil. And if you dont know the difference, then rest assured you will have plenty of time to learn the difference after the Judgement Day (if you truly believe in it).
As for the terrorists, they are bigger followers of iblis than the taliban themselves: They dont even fight. Period. They launch cowardly attacks against innocent civilians.
Too many innocent lives have been lost for this to be treated as a joke where you can go about your mullah talk. 50 young Pakistanis lost their lives on 9/11. You may not care for them, but some of us will never forget that. Hundreds of innocent Pakistanis have been killed by these animals. You may not care for them, but all true Pakistanis do. Thousands of innocent non-Pakistanis have been killed by these animals. You may not care for them, but all decent humans do. And God does too, I am sure.
Furthermore, there is a big difference between the bengalis and the taliban/terrorists and dont even dare to compare the two: The bengalis were fighting for the RIGHT to rule themselves. The taliban were fighting to rule other through MIGHT. The difference between the two is the difference between good and evil. And if you dont know the difference, then rest assured you will have plenty of time to learn the difference after the Judgement Day (if you truly believe in it).
As for the terrorists, they are bigger followers of iblis than the taliban themselves: They dont even fight. Period. They launch cowardly attacks against innocent civilians.
Too many innocent lives have been lost for this to be treated as a joke where you can go about your mullah talk. 50 young Pakistanis lost their lives on 9/11. You may not care for them, but some of us will never forget that. Hundreds of innocent Pakistanis have been killed by these animals. You may not care for them, but all true Pakistanis do. Thousands of innocent non-Pakistanis have been killed by these animals. You may not care for them, but all decent humans do. And God does too, I am sure.
#117 Posted by gujjubania on March 17, 2004 8:48:00 am
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#118 Posted by sadna on March 17, 2004 9:15:45 am
Urstruly
Dunno why you are shedding tears for the 600-700 foreign militants hiding in the tribal areas. Local people are at least able to flee the fighting. Imagine if these militants were holed up in a Karachi or Peshawar madrassa compound instead.
Dunno why you are shedding tears for the 600-700 foreign militants hiding in the tribal areas. Local people are at least able to flee the fighting. Imagine if these militants were holed up in a Karachi or Peshawar madrassa compound instead.
#119 Posted by impressions on March 17, 2004 9:15:46 am
Game Three – The big one!
There’s a rule of thumb in American sports. And the Americans know a lot about 5-game series and 7-game series because basketball, baseball & Hockey all use those formats.
The rule is that in a five game series, whoever wins game 3, wins the series and in a seven game series, whoever game 4 wins the series.
So here we go, game three!
Re: Romair #100,
Pakistan did not kick India’s butt in Pindi and neither did India kick Pakistan’s butt in Karachi. Now go play battleship.
Re: Yasser #107,
Simmer down brother, Tendya has not surpassed the Don. That is shear heresy.
I have been having debates with all and sundry (mostly Pakistanis) for years now trying to argue my case to anoint Tendya as the second greatest Batsman in the history of cricket. I have been known to shut off the Tele after Tendya gets out but even I wont make a sacrilegious statement like that.
Sir Donald George Bradman may have been the single greatest sportsperson to walk this planet. The statistical difference between the Don’s record and the next comparable best is the largest in any sport worldwide. By far!
ESPN rates Michael Jordan as the greatest sportsperson of all time and he’s actually tied with Wilt Chamberlain for points per game (30.1). And there are two current players (O’Neal & Iverson) who are within 10% of MJ’s ppg average.
To give you an analogy, what Bradman did would be like playing 3000 baseball games with a lifetime batting average of .600! Or like playing 1000 basketball games with a ppg of 50!
And you may argue that statistics dont mean everything and there are other factors such as the impact that sportsperson has on their sport and on the population in general. You may point to how much more greater Ali was than someone like Holmes who actually had a better record. But even by that token there is no one like the Don. Australians consider him the greatest Australina ever. Bar none! In a similar pole conducted in India Tendya finished at number 8 even despite his god like status. Mother Teresa finished first!
There’s a rule of thumb in American sports. And the Americans know a lot about 5-game series and 7-game series because basketball, baseball & Hockey all use those formats.
The rule is that in a five game series, whoever wins game 3, wins the series and in a seven game series, whoever game 4 wins the series.
So here we go, game three!
Re: Romair #100,
Pakistan did not kick India’s butt in Pindi and neither did India kick Pakistan’s butt in Karachi. Now go play battleship.
Re: Yasser #107,
Simmer down brother, Tendya has not surpassed the Don. That is shear heresy.
I have been having debates with all and sundry (mostly Pakistanis) for years now trying to argue my case to anoint Tendya as the second greatest Batsman in the history of cricket. I have been known to shut off the Tele after Tendya gets out but even I wont make a sacrilegious statement like that.
Sir Donald George Bradman may have been the single greatest sportsperson to walk this planet. The statistical difference between the Don’s record and the next comparable best is the largest in any sport worldwide. By far!
ESPN rates Michael Jordan as the greatest sportsperson of all time and he’s actually tied with Wilt Chamberlain for points per game (30.1). And there are two current players (O’Neal & Iverson) who are within 10% of MJ’s ppg average.
To give you an analogy, what Bradman did would be like playing 3000 baseball games with a lifetime batting average of .600! Or like playing 1000 basketball games with a ppg of 50!
And you may argue that statistics dont mean everything and there are other factors such as the impact that sportsperson has on their sport and on the population in general. You may point to how much more greater Ali was than someone like Holmes who actually had a better record. But even by that token there is no one like the Don. Australians consider him the greatest Australina ever. Bar none! In a similar pole conducted in India Tendya finished at number 8 even despite his god like status. Mother Teresa finished first!
#120 Posted by Romair on March 17, 2004 10:34:45 am
I think Dravid is now the best batsman on the Indian team. He is currently at his peak, while Tendulkar, is a couple of years beyond his peak. Dravid is technically the most perfect batsman in the world. He doesn`t make a mistake. I didn`t see him play a single incorrect shot in his 99. While Tendulkar, every now and then, does. I would rank Dravid, alongwith with Lara and Ponting, to be the top three batsmen in the world, at the moment. They would be followed by Hayden and Tendulkar.
The other really good bat in the Indian team is Laxman. Pakistan is lucky he got out early. I have no idea why the Indian selectors have kept him out of the team for so long. He didn`t play in the World Cup. In his current form, he is one of the top ten batsman in the world. I would put him in the same category as Yohana or Inzamam, in current form. And he is mentally the toughest batsman on the Indian team, since his best performances seem to come against Australia.
He is followed by Yuvraj Singh. He should play tests also. Pakistan is lucky he hasn`t done much so far. He is very young, and should be a permanent member of India`s side, in all forms of cricket.
He is followed by Sehwag. He is a better version of Afridi. However, I cannot see how he will last too long in Test cricket, if he doesn`t become more consistent.
I think Ganguly is over the hill, and has been for a year or so. He is only in the team for captaincy and due to his past heriocs. He is basically the Waqar Younis of the Indian team. If India loses this series, then I think he will eventually be fighting for a place in the team, since India traditionally has a lot of good young batsmen. He is averaging around 12 runs per innings in one-days, since Australia. He gave three chances in the last match. And the only good innings he has played, that comes to mind, is the 144 in Australia. He was great at one time, but no more. I think he is holding back other budding Indian batsmen, by occupying a permanent slot in the Indian side. His captaincy is an asset for India, while his batting is a liability.
The other really good bat in the Indian team is Laxman. Pakistan is lucky he got out early. I have no idea why the Indian selectors have kept him out of the team for so long. He didn`t play in the World Cup. In his current form, he is one of the top ten batsman in the world. I would put him in the same category as Yohana or Inzamam, in current form. And he is mentally the toughest batsman on the Indian team, since his best performances seem to come against Australia.
He is followed by Yuvraj Singh. He should play tests also. Pakistan is lucky he hasn`t done much so far. He is very young, and should be a permanent member of India`s side, in all forms of cricket.
He is followed by Sehwag. He is a better version of Afridi. However, I cannot see how he will last too long in Test cricket, if he doesn`t become more consistent.
I think Ganguly is over the hill, and has been for a year or so. He is only in the team for captaincy and due to his past heriocs. He is basically the Waqar Younis of the Indian team. If India loses this series, then I think he will eventually be fighting for a place in the team, since India traditionally has a lot of good young batsmen. He is averaging around 12 runs per innings in one-days, since Australia. He gave three chances in the last match. And the only good innings he has played, that comes to mind, is the 144 in Australia. He was great at one time, but no more. I think he is holding back other budding Indian batsmen, by occupying a permanent slot in the Indian side. His captaincy is an asset for India, while his batting is a liability.
#121 Posted by impressions on March 17, 2004 11:21:15 am
Romair:
You have no idea what you’re talking about. You should stick to what you know and stop commenting on cricket. But wait a minute, what do you know? It seems like you tend to come of with asinine gems no matter what the topic of discussion.
Nobody in their right mind would rank Dravid and Ponting ahead of Tendulkar and Hayden.
Regarding Laxman being the mentally toughest one since he performs so well against Australia… OK, so Laxman averages 63 against Aus in 12 matches. A small sample but fine, that’s great! But against all other opposition he averages 40, that’s less than Pravin Amre’s average! So where’s his mental toughness against Sri Lanka and England and Zimbabwe and the lot? Did it ever occur to you that the Australian brand of bowling and bowling strategy may be more suited to how Laxman bats and that is explanation of his anomaly with Australia and not some Zen master voodoo?
You say that Sehwag is comparable to Afridi and will lose his place in the side due to ‘inconsistency’. Huh??? Afridi averages 32 and has NOT PLAYED A SINGLE TEST MATCH OUTSIDE THE SUBCONTINENT! Sehwag averages 46 lifetime and 42 on the road. Sehwag has more centuries on the road than at home. At this point in his career Matty Hayden had scored half as many centuries and was batting an average 8 runs lower than Sehwag. Just because the guy is unorthodox does not mean that he is inconsistent. Better version of Afridi, my ass!
Regarding Ganguly being over the hill, a few facts. Ganguly averages more on the road (42) than at home (41). Ganguly’s last 10 road tests have been against tough opposition (4 Eng, 2 NZ, 4 AUS) and in these last 10 road tests his average is identical to his career average. So I don’t see a big dip in the performance. And as far as his low average in the few recent ODIs go, why conveniently pick a small sample? A team plays about 30 ODIs in a year so one would think that you’d at least go back about 30 games to the world cup to see a solid number. Well, Ganguly averages 45 in ODIs since the world cup. No one says that Ganguly is an all time great batsman, he’s a solid gritty cricketer who has streaky tendencies. But over the hill? Come on!!!
Statistics may not tell the whole story but they are very handy at exposing blatant lies and idiocies. You don’t know jack about Indian cricket so why don’t you go play battleship?
You have no idea what you’re talking about. You should stick to what you know and stop commenting on cricket. But wait a minute, what do you know? It seems like you tend to come of with asinine gems no matter what the topic of discussion.
Nobody in their right mind would rank Dravid and Ponting ahead of Tendulkar and Hayden.
Regarding Laxman being the mentally toughest one since he performs so well against Australia… OK, so Laxman averages 63 against Aus in 12 matches. A small sample but fine, that’s great! But against all other opposition he averages 40, that’s less than Pravin Amre’s average! So where’s his mental toughness against Sri Lanka and England and Zimbabwe and the lot? Did it ever occur to you that the Australian brand of bowling and bowling strategy may be more suited to how Laxman bats and that is explanation of his anomaly with Australia and not some Zen master voodoo?
You say that Sehwag is comparable to Afridi and will lose his place in the side due to ‘inconsistency’. Huh??? Afridi averages 32 and has NOT PLAYED A SINGLE TEST MATCH OUTSIDE THE SUBCONTINENT! Sehwag averages 46 lifetime and 42 on the road. Sehwag has more centuries on the road than at home. At this point in his career Matty Hayden had scored half as many centuries and was batting an average 8 runs lower than Sehwag. Just because the guy is unorthodox does not mean that he is inconsistent. Better version of Afridi, my ass!
Regarding Ganguly being over the hill, a few facts. Ganguly averages more on the road (42) than at home (41). Ganguly’s last 10 road tests have been against tough opposition (4 Eng, 2 NZ, 4 AUS) and in these last 10 road tests his average is identical to his career average. So I don’t see a big dip in the performance. And as far as his low average in the few recent ODIs go, why conveniently pick a small sample? A team plays about 30 ODIs in a year so one would think that you’d at least go back about 30 games to the world cup to see a solid number. Well, Ganguly averages 45 in ODIs since the world cup. No one says that Ganguly is an all time great batsman, he’s a solid gritty cricketer who has streaky tendencies. But over the hill? Come on!!!
Statistics may not tell the whole story but they are very handy at exposing blatant lies and idiocies. You don’t know jack about Indian cricket so why don’t you go play battleship?
#122 Posted by Urstruly on March 17, 2004 11:37:24 am
Sadna
The people who are dying are Paksitani citizens. No Paksitani governmental institution, especially army, has any right to use state apparatus against its own people. I think government is the most corrupt, most inefficiant and anti-human institution that human beings have ever invented and no government can be given such excessive powers.
According to current international standards what Na PAk fauj is doing falls under the category of `crimes against humanity`. When western imperialist thugs were preparing the case to attack iraq and capture its natural resources they accused Saddam of committing the same acts of `crimes against humanity` against his own people when he quelled rebellions against himself. Why the situation is any different in paksitan? In near future when these imperialists will attack Paksitan they will build their cases on these `crimes against humaity` wouldn`t they?
#123 Posted by mohammedamjed on March 17, 2004 1:29:52 pm
This space was meant for cricket. Let us keep our sentiments confined to cricket only.
#124 Posted by Urstruly on March 17, 2004 1:33:32 pm
mohammad amjad
what has turned us into such remorseless murderers? Such malaise? Such indifference towards your fellow human beings and citizens?
#125 Posted by mumbaikar on March 17, 2004 1:43:07 pm
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#126 Posted by sadna on March 17, 2004 1:43:08 pm
Urstruly
``The people who are dying are Paksitani citizens.``
And what are those 600-700 foreign militants doing there, meanwhile? Writing software for Intel?
``The people who are dying are Paksitani citizens.``
And what are those 600-700 foreign militants doing there, meanwhile? Writing software for Intel?
#127 Posted by Urstruly on March 17, 2004 1:51:08 pm
Sadna
They are Paksitani citizens now. After the jihad in Afghanistan was over and soveits were defeated these people married among local families and started leading quiet lives. These families in turn are now trying to protect their sons-in-law. If they were outlaws then you don`t need a 60,000 strong army to capture them; just a jirga would have been enough. But an offensive of this scale can only be against the whole population of the region and not 400 outlaws.
It is just like India in Kashmir who needs to keep an army of 700,000 to control 1500 insurgents.
They are Paksitani citizens now. After the jihad in Afghanistan was over and soveits were defeated these people married among local families and started leading quiet lives. These families in turn are now trying to protect their sons-in-law. If they were outlaws then you don`t need a 60,000 strong army to capture them; just a jirga would have been enough. But an offensive of this scale can only be against the whole population of the region and not 400 outlaws.
It is just like India in Kashmir who needs to keep an army of 700,000 to control 1500 insurgents.
#128 Posted by mumbaikar on March 17, 2004 2:04:50 pm
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