The Indo-Pak Symbiosis: Brothers or Neighbors?

yeah times have changed. it used to be munh maiN churri baghal meiN Ram Ram just a month ago and now it is baghal maiN churri aur munh maiN Ram Ram now.

The Muslim of subcontinent are fighting a mortal combat for their freedom and such shenanigans have never been able to prevent freedom movements to achieve their objectives though all oppressors and genocidal maniacs never get tired of using them.

wafa karo gay wafa karaiN gay
jaffa karo gay jaffa karaiN gay

Hum insaan haiN tumhaare jaise
jo tum karo gay woh hum karaiN gay.

As long as genocide in Kashmir go on there cannot be peace. Peace without justice is not possible.

//..Whatever may be the brutal truth, is it late to undo the infamous split of the brightest jewel in the British crown?..//

Yes it is. The damage is done and for most part - irreversible.

Also - stop using phrases like ``brightest jewel in the British crown``. It means what ? A 5000-year-old civilization that went from Riches to Rags within a couple of century under the rule of the British Crown. And till date, remains a $hit-hole compared to any other signficant nation in the whole world.

So how does this translate to ``Jewel`` in anybody`s crown?

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I agree with the writer (like whom, I live in the US) that the two countries have a special relationship. For fifty years, the relationship has been of two siblings quarelling over a piece of turf, and by now they have worn themselves out of quarelling and the general public has clearly shown that they have no quarrel with one another. I can see the paper tigers of chowk getting stomach cramps on seeing the karachi cricket match - but that is nothing more than what I have been saying for the past 3-4 years on chowk: those who seek a continuation of hostilities on one pretext or another are on the wrong side of history. Time is proving my prediction to be correct.

I would only add that we should go beyond just establising close links: we should have peace but with ``malice towards none``. Thus, instead of the two Abduls joining hands to do what they seem best able to do (build weapons), I would suggest we get rid of both Abduls along with the damned nukes and missiles they are associated with and focus our energies on poverty alleviation. Rather than being inspired by nationalistic fervor, I think the writer should be inspired by something even bigger and better: those are the ideals of his adopted country (the US), where people from all over the world come and spend their energies fighting the real battle on behalf of all mankind: the battle to further our scientific borders, the battle to find cures for diseases. The Abduls of South Asia as well as the hatemongerers of South Asia are relics of our animal past. They have no place in that noblest of struggles - the struggle to improve the quality of life for all mankind, the struggle in which the US is at the forefront.

I agree with the writer (like whom, I live in the US) that the two countries have a special relationship. For fifty years, the relationship has been of two siblings quarelling over a piece of turf, and by now they have worn themselves out of quarelling and the general public has clearly shown that they have no quarrel with one another. I can see the paper tigers of chowk getting stomach cramps on seeing the karachi cricket match - but that is nothing more than what I have been saying for the past 3-4 years on chowk: those who seek a continuation of hostilities on one pretext or another are on the wrong side of history. Time is proving my prediction to be correct.

I would only add that we should go beyond just establising close links: we should have peace but with ``malice towards none``. Thus, instead of the two Abduls joining hands to do what they seem best able to do (build weapons), I would suggest we get rid of both Abduls along with the damned nukes and missiles they are associated with and focus our energies on poverty alleviation. Rather than being inspired by nationalistic fervor, I think the writer should be inspired by something even bigger and better: those are the ideals of his adopted country (the US), where people from all over the world come and spend their energies fighting the real battle on behalf of all mankind: the battle to further our scientific borders, the battle to find cures for diseases. The Abduls of South Asia as well as the hatemongerers of South Asia are relics of our animal past. They have no place in that noblest of struggles - the struggle to improve the quality of life for all mankind, the struggle in which the US is at the forefront.

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Bhaiyyaji,
I think you are getting emotionally carried away with the current warm-up of relations between the two countries. It is ridiculous to go from extreme hatred to becoming one nation/federation. A much better model is the US-Canda relations or European Union type relations where the two countries maintain complete sovereign status while having open borders, free movement of people, cultural exchnges and extensive economic cooperation.

Also, the Kashmir issue will be resolved via some sort of a grand compromise, maybe along the lines of N.Ireland solution. There may not be territorial exchange but mechanisms may be put in place where Kashmiris run their own affairs with defence, foreign affairs etc. jointly managed by India and Pakistan. That way all sides keep their honour and get what they want on the ground.

Mr Joshi,
Thats a wonderful article you wrote. However, I do have some comments regarding the right of land business.
You see, south asia has very limited resources and everyone is trying to extract as much as possible in a rather cut-throat manner. Do you really believe that in such conditions there should be one rule? A true democracy perhaps would be have a legion of many smaller autonomous states that would be able to govern internal affairs as they see fit. This essentially involves granting freedom (decision making power) to ethnic groups and states. What you see in kashmir is not a result of hindu-muslim hatred, but of struggle for power between different leaders who are able to use religion as a flag. Its all about money and power and therefore, it is best to allow several smaller units of power to balance out the utitlity of resources and keep one group from overpowering the other. I know thats very idealistic, but like you said its unreceptive enviroment that concocts new ideas.
Perhaps its time for all of us to grow up and stop dreaming of one india, rather think of it as a collection of many independent states that are bound by mutual interests.
A common analogy is when in a jount family people cannot get along and then eventually they split up. Often times the relations get better later on as distance lessons the intensity of aggression. Perhaps you have seen that too.
In any case it will take many years before the two stupid countries will stop fighting. And it will take many many many broadminded people to make this happen.

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Have you heard of a country called Bangladesh? Why leave it out, poor thing?
If I may also ask, what is your plan to get Indians to live under Hudood ordinances or get Pakistanis to give up living under Hudood ordinances?

`` I have met many Pakistanis and was surprised a large number of them have views not essentially different from mine``

Indians and Pakistanis get along abroad because neither is running the government.

Dispute over the terms for sharing power in government was the issue which led to Partition, which if avoided at that time, could have happened with even more bloodshed at any time subsequently because the differences on this issue were so fundamental. Those differences have only grown over the years, so there is no going back.

Partition did do good, it helped realise the visions of founding fathers for people on both sides - Pakistanis of all shades donot have to deal with even a single Hindu from birth to death, much less share power with them and Indians of all shades were able to arrive at a quick and relatively untroubled consensus on a Constitution. How are you planning to get them to give up these respective advantages?