Musharraf Will Die

musharraf is a bad ss of america, he`s the real dajjal. Remember what happen when shabaz came and he was deported with the whole plan full of commandos, T.V, media such as GEO and ARY was repeatedly ask to stop their correspondence just because the was with the truth. what kind of democracy is this, he`s a dick Tator not a president?

Most of the C-130s need overhauling.

re: tahmed32 # 137

I am sorry that I could not reply soon, but I was pre-occupied else where on Chowk.

I generally refer to Pakistanis as the ``natives`` in a sarcastic sense. There is no racist intention on my part, I just use the term as a sense of humor and I used to call my American friends as ``fellow colonials``.

I am not against the idea of brining education, social welfare program and economic prosperity to FATA and the tribes, but I am against the idea of allowing FATA to exist beyond the writ of the Pakistani government. The problem is that most of maliks in the region are an obstacle to progress and before anything worth while happens, their power and influence over the tribes have to ended. Towards this purpose, I support the what the government is doing to bring FATA within Pakistan.

Ahmed sahib, I have a dark sense of humor and regardless of how educated I am or where I live, I am will be sarcastic in my comments. :)

Ciao

Musharraf is one of the best people in the business. Lay off him.

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Letter in Daily Times on 03/31/04

The real battle in Wana

Sir: I supported the recent Wana operation even though I was cognisant of the short-term consequences of such an operation. A state must maintain a monopoly of violence over the territory it controls, and the Pakistani state certainly does not enjoy this monopoly in the tribal areas. This situation must change, and the establishment must come up with a long-term plan to incorporate the tribal areas and its people into Pakistan.

The Pakistan Army says that the operation is now over and its objectives have been realised. But have we really succeeded? Looking at pictures of women and children going through the rubble of their homes in Wana, it is obvious that the army has lost the battle for the hearts and minds of the tribal people. I also condemn the policy whereby the houses of people not cooperating with the army were razed. Collective punishment of this kind, which results in women and children losing their homes, is morally reprehensible and will create more hatred against the Pakistan Army and the state.

What the government must do is create a comprehensive economic, social and political programme for these Tribal Areas so that the people can benefit. I welcome the fact that new schools and roads are being constructed in some areas. This is a policy that must continue at a faster pace. Only by winning the hearts of these people can we root out foreign terrorists permanently. As of now, we are losing this battle for the hearts and minds.
TAIMUR MASUD KHAN
Via Email

Mr/Ms pardaisiji #8
You said
``or atleast, tell us what will happen tomorrow and day after.... ``

I already did. Check this out:
http://www.dawn.com/2004/03/31/top3.htm

``President Gen Pervez Musharraf has set a deadline of July-August for positive developments vis-a-vis the Kashmir issue and warned that the peace process between Pakistan and India could get derailed if the core issue is not addressed quickly and seriously.

``If peace process does not move forward, then I will not be a party to it,`` said President Musharraf while talking to a select group of journalists and intellectuals at the Army House here on Tuesday.

The president said the foreign ministers of the two countries needed to break the deadlock by July-August, otherwise the confidence building-measures (CBMs) initiated in the current detente would come to an end.

President Musharraf said Pakistan would reconsider its position if the expected results were not delivered by July- August. The president said he had informed the Indian leadership and the Western powers that if talks on Kashmir were not initiated within the set timeframe, then there would be no use of continuing the dialogue. ..``

ferozk #136 This statement indicates a racist way of thinking. This is the same notion that was held by a large segment of the white population about people like you and me (i.e. the ``natives``, the ``colored races`` or whatever) until as late as the 1950`s. And even then, there were British public servants and missionaries and others who believed otherwise, introduced western education in British India, and gave rise to the middle class of the subcontinent. Why then, do you deny the same education and democratic institutions to the tribals that has been the gift of the west to our dead-end eastern cultures? (I realize this last question may be a bitter pill to swallow, but let us have the courage to accept the truth).

I am appalled that you - a well educated man living in the cultural capital of Pakistan - should make such an ill-informed statement. Also note that regardless of what you and I think, the Pakistan government and the international community (with US and Japan actively participating) realizes that it is time that ``the land that time forgot`` be brought into the current century.

re: tahmed32

Sir, laws and democracy and accountable governments and social welfare development schemes are not the solution. All these ideas are noble and praise worthy, but cannot change the mental retardation of the tribes. The problem with the tribes is their mentality, which dates to old stone age.

Ciao

arjun_m #134
Check out Mr Mughal talking of animalism on the Naipaul board. The moral outrage at gruesome mob killings by Hindus and contrasting LACK of moral outrage at gruesome mass killings by jihadis is something wonderful to observe. The same people who righteously point to the overseas funding of Hindutva organisations, never ever admit to, much less point to the overseas and domestic funding of jihadi organisations.

In this LeT case, I guess such statements are like brand advertisements. There are prob. plenty of prospective donors outraged at the Hamas leader`s killing and LeT wants a share of the lucrative business. They don`t have any yehudis to offer so they are trying to sell yindoos on discount.

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rsridhar #130
``HHTI and LORROS are among the factors that made Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf call off jihad in Kashmir``

One wonders on who this newspaper aims to fool by saying that Musharraf has called off the jihad in Kashmir. For example, Lashkar-e-Taiba`s institutions are still active in Muridke, it still holds large public meetings in prominent places like Islamabad, and check out this last threat(this sort of poison is typical Pakistani textbook material - can`t find Jews to kill, so will kill Hindus).

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040324/wl_sthasia_afp/mideast_unrest_yassin_040324082033

``We will take revenge here in India as Yahud (Jews) and Hanood (Hindus) are two sides of the same coin,`` a spokesman for Lashkar-e-Taiba was quoted saying by the English-language Greater Kashmir newspaper.

``We will convene a meeting of field commanders shortly to decide as to how revenge could be taken,`` the spokesman said.``

arjun:

``Yes..they did...which is why Saddam had has butt dragged out of a spider hole..which is why a ton of pakis have been deported from the US.. Your point is what? ``

My point is this: No I don`t think the USA and Pakistan will use our non-NATO alliance thing to thrash India even if there are no terrorists there. But perhaps like the USA is using India as a check on China, it may use Pakistan as a check on India, Afghanistan as a check on Pakistan and an impending threat of Al Qaeda as a check on Afghanistan. America may pull an Iraq on India after alluring India to do a Kuwait on Pakistan ;-)

So do you suggest that we deal with the issue of terrorism through the following strategies:

1) Involve Pakistan as a major non-Nato ally to the complete disappointment of hawks in Indian Government, although I have a feeling that Pakistan may refuse the status,
or
2) nip the evil in the bud. This may be of most interest to you.

http://www.indiatoday.com/itoday/20031110/index.shtml

``Tut tut all you want..doesn`t change the facts on the ground.....You don`t need to go far to see how being associated with pakistan automatically makes you a suspect...we`ve got an example right here on chowk ``

You picked one example from 1 traveler and ignored many others from Pakistani travelers contributed here on Chowk. Also, Zain got through Bulgaria safely ;-)

Mahesh at #128:

``But that`s the point. Not every Pakistani has been released. And I don`t mean the Pakistanis in Guantanamo bay. ``

No boss, your point was at #107, as follows:

``All the Indians you are talking about were released because they were innocent. The Indian caught supplying arms to terrorists was part of the FBI plan to catch criminal arms dealers. Looks like you read only half the news. No Indian so far has been involved in any Islam related terrorist activities. ``

The point that you are claiming as yours now, was arjun`s to begin with.

However, if you wish to follow the footsteps of arjun, then I would like to say that:

(1) each time he mentioned a country arrested few Pakistanis, within few days he also got the news that all of them were set free (plus now one by one and in groups Pakistanis are being released from Guantanamo Bay and more importantly

(2) following the footsteps of arjun would mean that you have no USP and that you are also running an open thrash Pakistan agenda. Then there is no point for Pakistanis to debate any matter with you, because there are too many others who we are entangled with already.

But recalling a good post from you of few months ago, I would request that you play in a niche. Please try to find opportunities to educate us about India if you live in that country, about Hinduism, how are you people managing industrial development, education, etc. And if you are living elsewhere, please educate us about Indian Diaspora, how are you people coping with pressure on your cultural values, taking the threats against outsourcing, etc. Kindly advise us about our weaknesses, as we take on the monster of terrorism, something of our own making, because of the follies of the past.

Otoh, following in the footsteps of arjun, you will soon discover that you will be left alone, hobnobbing with other hate mongers on this board only. Some time some one from other side would drop a comment on a post just on sympathetic grounds or to have fun.

This is only a humble suggestion.

re: Jehad in Kashmir
It is happy time for Jehadis. The Indian Army has just made it a little easier for the Jehadis crossing LOC to meet the 72 Hoors (Virgins). Read on:

http://www.sulekha.com/redirectnh.asp?cid=330250
Excerpt:

``HHTI and LORROS are among the factors that made Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf call off jihad in Kashmir. The Indian infantryman has become a night-stalker, with about 5,000 HHTIs (2,500 more are on the way), 8,000 night-vision goggles and hundreds of LORROSs in his hands. He can see deep, and strike, in the dark. Even the enemy bunkers from which infiltrators are sent in are getting within the firing range of the Indian infantry. The infantrymen have 5,000 anti-material rifles (1,000 more are coming) that can blast bunkers a kilometre and a half away.``
Sridhar

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