Let Cricket Inspire India and Pakistan

arjun at # 238:


And we know YOU are interested in virgins..virgin women at least, but you can get none.

Here is the reason:

Over 3.9 million people in India are carrying HIV infection, according to the HIV Sentinel Surveillance Round - 2001.

I understand your plight and sympathise with you.

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Sadna:

First of all there is no such thing as hoori policy. First of all, Muslims are not driven in this life by the promise of 72 hoors in the afterlife. This is something I have heard first time in my life and that too, through Indians on this site.

Yes, we may be driven by promise of Jannat and all its attendant luxuries, but 72 hoors are the least, if not absent, on anyone`s mind.

Even before Jannat, we are fixated with `Muslim brotherhood`. It is easier to raise our emothions and sentiments on the basis of brotherhood than on any other thing. Of course, helping brotherhood promises Jannat (that may be on Jihadis mind), which promises good eternal life in the heaven.

When we think of Jannat, the 1st thing that comes to our minds is the ability to get whatever we desire. We will think of it and it will be done. For now for example, if I were to be in Jannat, I would like all my deceased kith and kin (including my grandparents, father, uncles, aunts and some cousins) to be alive and with me, along with my immediate relations. I would also like to be a PhD from an IVY league institution. I would love to go back in time and do undergraduation from Princeton or Brown. So what I am saying is that our desires are going to be peculiar to each one of us.

If you ask any Muslim, and I encourage you to do it, what he/she will desire if she is in heaven, I am 100% sure no one will mention hoors.

The Jihadi organizations never encourage Muslims to go and participate in Jihad just because they will get 72 hoors. They always motivate them by throwing `brotherhood in trouble` slogan.

You described a ghastly event of Kashmiris being killed and Musharraf mentioning freedom struggle as if the two are related events. President Musharraf (and Muslims like me) would always claim that there is a freedom struggle going on in Kashmir. Freedom struggle has its cost. Many innocents do die (although I have debated many times before that in Indian held Kashmir, innocents may be killed by counter-insurgents and Indian military to tarnish the freedom struggle).

As regards who is on the right when two factions fight, it is for the State to decide. Internationally, Muslim community decides it through inter-Governmental dialogue and through OIC, no matter how impotent the latter organization may seem to all of us. In the past, people in the Right have been Bosnians, Chechins, Kashmiris, Palestinians, etc.

Although many believe that Talibans were supported by Pakistanis, because they were the true Muslims compared to northerners, the factual reasons are:

1. Pakistani military wanted strategic depth vis-a-vis India.
2. Pakistani Mullas wanted establishment of an Islamic Government on the basis of their version of Islam beginning from Afghanistan and moving to all other Muslim countries.
3. Pakistani Pakhtoons wanted our ethnic brothers to be the rulers in Afghanistan.
4. Other Pakistanis wanted to have strategic depth and a place to use as a launching pad for helping brotherhood in trouble anywhere in the world and were grateful to the pan-Islamist Pathans to provide a perfect opportunity for them to do so.

No matter what Indians and other Muslims think about it, the pan-Islamist Pakistanis will continue to believe that we are the torch bearers of all the Muslims. Abb iss dil ka kia karain? :-)

Finally, most of the Pakistanis who went for `Jihad` to Afghanistan against northerners had strong ethnic roots there in the sense that their parents had migrated from there to Pakistan after 1947. Most of the Pakistanis who went for `Jihad` in Indian held Kashmir were of Kashmiri origin. More Kashmiris live across Pakistan (mostly in Punjab and urban Sindh) than they do in Azad Kashmir.

arjun #234 As I said, you dont need to be a prophet or a saint to avoid ridiculing other people`s religion or to avoid gloating over other people`s misfortune. All you need to be is a normal human being. The fact that you dont consider this to be the behavior of a normal human being is clear proof that you are the product of a cesspool.

PS: I see your uncle Jay Thakeray has made a cameo appearance as well. Give him my regards, and dont pick his pocket while he is still overdosed on lithium.

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Arjun_m #229,

Please refrain from the prophet reference. You are offending the sensibilities of far
too many people.

Sense of responsibility,

There is the eternal YLH talking about the last speach of a long dead person, then there is the tahmed from the myth of the siciphus ever trying to white wash pakistan.
At last condi rice has spoken, the US did not move against al quida because it was supported by pakistan through taliban. They needed the 9/11 and the tragedy is that mushy the coward general fell for the words, if you are not with us you are against us.

The turn coat and the islamic betrayer has delayed the hopes of a better future for the millions of pakistanis. If he had not joined the americans, pakistan would have been at the dawn of a good future like afghanistan where the religious extremists and the dictators are fininshed ina single stroke.
Pakistanis remind me of bhishma of mahabharata, waiting for uttarayanam, to death at an auspicious time, only to be reborn.
I wish I could here the sound a thousand daisy cutters in pakistan in the farthest reaches of kerala. Then I will know the millions cursed by TNT have at last on their way to a bright future.

``The Swiss weekly Die Weltwoche calls Pakistan ``the world`s most dangerous country,`` and CIA advisor Robert Galluci says that it poses ``the greatest threat to the future of the United States.`` Of the 620 suspected terrorists currently in detention at the US base in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, 540 were arrested on Pakistani soil.``

A proud legacy,

For YLH, there is a myth of jinnah, the great man who created pakistan in the name of islam. It is the only country created in the name of islam, for that matter in the name of any religion, in an area of no religious significvance. There is nothing of islamic legacy in pakistan. It was cretaed because of TNT, because of the idea that muslims cannot live with people of any other religion, and a land was set aside to create this land of the pure islam called pakistan.

It took only fifty years for this paradise to emerge, due to the actions of the educated like YLH and tahmed, who gave a facade of modernity while the ultimate of islamic terror was being fashioned in the vacerals of the millions in the pakistani madrassas.

The best of the best of this fouding ideals of pakistan are in quandanamo bay, while a few more millions are waiting to be discovered and so hounoured. At last one man can have that wicked smile, though in his grave.

The smile of monolisa, no some one else as it lords ever the minions in pak offices.

arjun: You have failed to refute the simple fact I pointed out - namely that out of the thousands of posts I have written on chowk, there is not one that ridicules hinduism or India (or indeed mocks the poverty and social evils that we all know exist in India in spades) the way you and your kind routinely do on chowk. And like your kind on chowk, you have instead chosen to respond by trying to ridicule me and to call me names (namecalling by grown up men being an interesting phenomenon that one observes in chowk).

It is also obvious from your post that in the cesspool that was the household environment you and your kind grew up in, your behavior is considered normal. Your lowlife behavior being that of crowing over the fact that you earn two paisas more than your neighbor (something you routinely do on chowk); getting joy out of the misfortune of others (as you routinely do when laughing at pakistanis who were deported after 9/11); and so on. It is no wonder that you obviously consider my not falling to your level (rest assured there is no shortage of primitive customs and poverty in India which I could ridicule if I was lowlife like you and your kind). And rest assured it is my behavior that is normal, and your lowlife behavior that is not. Most ordinary people dont go around crowing at other people`s misfortune or gloating over the fact that they earn 2 paisas more.

I find the reactions of lowlife from india to be interesting: CoolAl proves that despite his self-flattering title, he is just another angry little man who (like you and others of your kind on chosk) quickly falls to calling names and ridicule when faced with facts they cannot deny; you prove that despite your pretensions and gloating and new-found US slang, your mind remains firmly entrenced in the cesspool you were raised in.

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Dawwod in Karachi

http://ww1.mid-day.com/news/world/2004/april/80575.htm

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btw, those were pictures of Kashmiri civilians who died in a grenade attack on J&K ministers` election meeting. The yahoo website has a whole set. Today Musharraf said `it is not terrorism, it is a freedom struggle`.

To those hurt by my houri-policy reference, please think about this:

When I criticise `Jai Sri Ram` shouting VHP/BD goons for killing and looting in support of a Ram temple, do I disrespect Ram or do they disrespect Ram?

When I criticise BJP for its self-serving conduct in the Ram temple movement, which they claim is done in the name of all Hindus, do I disrespect Ram or do they disrespect Ram?

I mean no disrespect to Muslims or Islam. But I have nothing but disrespect for the people running a houri policy in Pakistan.

#217

Absolutely right Ahmedzai-bhai. Sadna`s points are absolutely valid though she does come across too strong sometimes.