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gilthoniel at # 123:

Your opening para is in response to some one else`s matter. The referred para is not from me.

On other matter of South Indians and Sindhis having less or more anti-Pakistani feeling, I reported the behaviour as a traveler. I have formed my own opinion after interactions with different communities. But I admit that opinions formed as traveler could be incorrect, because the duration of interaction is smaller.

The point I was making is something else though. The extreme anti-Pakistani and anti-Muslim feelings is being expressed on website like Chowk by those ``South Indians`` and ``Christians``, who are educated and technology savvy. Compared to them, anti-Indians and anti-Hindus of Pakistan are uneducated, don`t show up on websites and are on the defensive in the physical world.

Sadna at # 113:

``Are 72 houris still being offered by Pakistani government`s MMA allies for killing kafirs or not? What is the Pakistan government`s position on houris now? ``

Good question.

While imho, the spiritual mission remains the same for all Muslims - to get Jannat along with all its blessings including 72 hoors ;-) the course of action under President Musharraf and PM Jamali`s Government is different - by concentrating on those aspect of our lives that contribute positively to economic and social development of our society, we will achieve this spiritual mission.

However, MMA might have chosen in the past the course of action highlighted in your post and may still be pursuing it as the only path to getting 72 hoors.

:-)

gb #128 If these three instances were correct, i would be the first one to condemn such acts. I dont care who the victims are - hindu or muslim.

Please see my question to satyavadi/hossp below, and perhaps you have an answer to it. Until that time, I will have to maintain my view that these instances are examples of the indian government trying to malign the pakistan government (and having succeeded with some of its citizens, as you and satyavadi prove). And I will also note that the Pakistan government is not any holier than the indian government, and in the past has just as unfairly tried to malign the indian government.

rsridhar #119 I too noticed the sudden love for Gandhi that Advani displayed by starting his rath (journey?) from Gandhi`s birth place. and certainly, I would add, mushy too has stopped talking about freedom fighters and started talking about terrorists. thus proving that both of these individuals can turn their ideology on a dime once they realize which side their bread is buttered (to mix metaphors). But then, I think that is a good thing, since we need pragmatism, not rigid ideology, to normalize India-Pakistan relations.

It is too bad that the Congress does not seem to have strong leadership (my little knowledge of indian politics tells me that sonia gandhi may be a nice person, but she cant carry crowds and her foreign birth seems to overshadow her being a representative of the nehru family). BJP I think is going to win by default, not because it has any sound vision for India: I was amused to see Indian TV mentioning BJPs vision statement announced yesterday which calls for barring foreign born indivdiuals from becoming head of the government. Some vision statement!!

Unlike you, I am optimistic though. It is better to have leaders talk about peace than about war, regardless of whatever cynical motives they may have (and maybe they may really want peace now - I will even grant them that). And may God protect these two jerks - musharaff and advani - at least long enough for them to undo the damage that their way of thinking has done to their respective countries and to india-pakistan relations.

soundmeister #122 down to namecalling i see. the last resort of the man who has no arguments left.

You could also try ridiculing the islamic religion, which is the other route taken in their posts below by the dynamic duo, sadna and arjun.

hossp #122 Same response as to satyavadi. If the indian government had proof on this serious business of the bombings in bombay why didnt it go to the world court? Why did it restrict itself to just making accusations? Any light you can shed would be appreciated.

satyavadi #125 If the Pakistan government was indeed behind bombings in Bombay in 1993, that certainly would be an unwarranted act of war. And I for one would certainly condemn it if I thought it was plausible. So far I have seen some outraged comments at my rejection of bongdongs claims, but nothing substantive to prove it. What would be the incentive for the Pakistan government?

If the Indian government had any real proof, it would have taken the Pakistan government to court on it. As for that newspaper article, a newspaper article with a general named on it (IF you can find that article i.e.) does not amount to proof. Do you know why the Indian government did not choose to take its case to the world court?? WHy it chose to spread allegations that no one outside India has shown any indication of believing?

Murh Murh Khoti Borh thalle aaye

Musharraf`s Motto:- HUM NAHI SUDHARENGE

ISLAMABAD, March 30: President Gen Pervez Musharraf has set a deadline of July-August for positive developments vis-a-vis the Kashmir issue and warned that the peace process between Pakistan and India could get derailed if the core issue is not addressed quickly and seriously.

``If peace process does not move forward, then I will not be a party to it,`` said President Musharraf while talking to a select group of journalists and intellectuals at the Army House here on Tuesday.

The president said the foreign ministers of the two countries needed to break the deadlock by July-August, otherwise the confidence building-measures (CBMs) initiated in the current detente would come to an end.

Tahmed....plays the equivalency game.

To him both Indian and Pakistani govts are equally bad !

He completely ignores that the Pakistani Govt is an active supporter of Jihad
and continuously pushes jihadis into India. He fails to notice that Indian citizens
are being murdered by Pakistani citizens .... ( but all this is of course hearsay and
there is no evidence ) - no wonder that most Pakistanis are still under the delusion
that the WTC towers were brought down by a jewish conspiracy.

It is people like tahmed who perpetuate falsehood and lies, while pretending to
be humanistic. People like tahmed are the ones in power in Pakistan, they speak
about love and freedom, while continuing to support murderous jihadis.

I think it is important to say this:

A criticism of Pak government policy of terrorism is not a criticism of the Pakistani people why by and large are apalled by the things done in their name.

ahmedzai 131:

I`m sorry. I thought you were discussing that para with its poster, and wanted to add my two cents. My post was addressed to both of you.

More reality check

Mushy barks on core issue, yet again.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_31-3-2004_pg1_1

.....President Musharraf said that Kashmir remained the core issue between Pakistan and India and the resolution of the dispute was the key to lasting peace in South Asia....

++++

Conclusion: Play your cricket and beat Inzy`s a## if you could ..... Get the freebies that Lahore shopkeepers gave you .... and then get the heck out of there.

And get ready for some large scale carnage in Kashmir ans elsewhere. This peace process is not going anywhere.

Reality Check

Where school teachers demand Jihad.....Where Jihad is embedded in .... biology books. ( Of all place - biology books ? )

http://www.dawn.com/2004/03/31/op.htm#2

.......A fortnight later the Punjab teachers union announced its decision to launch a protest movement from Gujranwala from April 15 if the verses, which pertain to jihad, were not reinstated......

`` I will have to maintain my view that these instances are examples of the indian government trying to malign the pakistan government``

I deplore the loss of human life on 11th Sept 2001. I also oppose US goverment effort to villify Bin Laden and the islamic charity Al-Queda without any substantive evidence. This is an example of wilful malice with an intent to malign Islamic people everywhere.

Get the point, genius, there is but 1/2 a step from your logic(?) to the ``mossad flew planes into the WTC``.

ahmadzai #130
So Pakistani government has changed its houri-policy after 9/11.

And in S. Waziristan, for example, who gets the houris, the dead soldiers or the dead tribals or the dead Uzbekis?