Tariq Aqil March 31, 2004
#1 Posted by Urstruly on March 31, 2004 10:37:00 am
``To day Pakistan stands at the cross currents of history. On one side are the forces of extremism, obscurantism and religious bigotry while on the other side are the forces of tolerance, freedom, democracy, social justice and fraternity.``
Well, I understand who the first category of people are but who the guck are these goddamned forces of tolerance, freedom, democracy...? Please tell me it is not friggin` faujis you are referring to - goddamn it.
Ms. Dina Jinnah
Are you absolutely out of your gucking mind? What brought you into this country that your father founded. Please keep in mind that these goddamend faujis assassinated your aunt Fatima Jinnah by slashing her throat. And I thank God that your father passed away before these ghulam ibne ghulam would have hung him at a city square as well. Don`t you read newspapers. Don`t you know what they have done to the Defender of the Nation Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan. Please do not listen to this Aqeel guy. He is a liar and a chaaploos. He is misguiding you.
#2 Posted by Romair on March 31, 2004 11:08:50 am
Could someone explain exactly why Dina Wadia is a celeberity, or deserves to be treated as a State guest? I have nothing against her. I actually thought she had moved to the USA and passed away.
We need to get out of our habit of hero-worship, without objectively debating what the hero did, or did not do. But, even moreso, we definitely need to get out of the habit of worshipping the off-spring of heroes and heroines. I am sure Dina Wadia is probably a wonderful person. But shouldn`t someone have done something for Pakistan, to get a, ``special`` status amongst its people.
Why exactly does Mr. Aqil admire her? Can he point out any achievements of her towards Pakistan? Or does he admire her because she has the right genes? Or is he simply trying to find an object through which he can let out his dislike of the maulvis? Would he admire her just the same, if she had decided to become a maulvi?
I am happy Dina Wadia and her son came to Pakistan to watch the match. However, they should have been treated no different than the Sardarji, from Amritsar, who rode in on a train, and was staying at Faletti`s hotel to watch the match, i.e. with respect, but not as an official State guest. That right should be reserved for people who actually are part of the govt. of a country.......
We need to get out of our habit of hero-worship, without objectively debating what the hero did, or did not do. But, even moreso, we definitely need to get out of the habit of worshipping the off-spring of heroes and heroines. I am sure Dina Wadia is probably a wonderful person. But shouldn`t someone have done something for Pakistan, to get a, ``special`` status amongst its people.
Why exactly does Mr. Aqil admire her? Can he point out any achievements of her towards Pakistan? Or does he admire her because she has the right genes? Or is he simply trying to find an object through which he can let out his dislike of the maulvis? Would he admire her just the same, if she had decided to become a maulvi?
I am happy Dina Wadia and her son came to Pakistan to watch the match. However, they should have been treated no different than the Sardarji, from Amritsar, who rode in on a train, and was staying at Faletti`s hotel to watch the match, i.e. with respect, but not as an official State guest. That right should be reserved for people who actually are part of the govt. of a country.......
#3 Posted by mohar11 on March 31, 2004 11:12:32 am
I have seen a bunch of articles by pakistanis on Lady Wadia. All praising the hapless lady to high heavens .. waxing eloquence ... jerking tears.
What is interesting is that she didn`t seem to give a damn.
What is also interesting is that - none of the intellectualls have asked a very pertinent question: Why exactly Ms Wadia, the only daughter of Mr. Quaid-e-Azam, spent all her life in the enemy country which was/is supposed to be very bad for Muslims?
How come Mr Jinnah - who created a whole country from a type-writer - couldn`t convince his own daughter on his two-nation-theory .... that ``good muslims cannot live with bad old hindus``?
What is interesting is that she didn`t seem to give a damn.
What is also interesting is that - none of the intellectualls have asked a very pertinent question: Why exactly Ms Wadia, the only daughter of Mr. Quaid-e-Azam, spent all her life in the enemy country which was/is supposed to be very bad for Muslims?
How come Mr Jinnah - who created a whole country from a type-writer - couldn`t convince his own daughter on his two-nation-theory .... that ``good muslims cannot live with bad old hindus``?
#4 Posted by Indian on March 31, 2004 11:12:32 am
This is Bull $hit !! You have no right to write a letter to an Indian citizen. Now these guys are looking for an Indian to be their saviour. Sorry she can`t do anything.
#5 Posted by rozaiba on March 31, 2004 11:12:32 am
Tariq Aqil,
I sincerely hope you are not a fauji-lover. Because if you are not and totally oppose them, then I will view your above letter with the deepest appreciation and admiration because the Qaid`s dream of a constitutional state is being slaughtered by one excuse or another.
DINA WADIA NEEDS TO BE APOLOGIZED FOR THE FUKED UP STATE THE FAUJIZ HAVE BROUGHT THE NATION TO. HER FATHER`S ONLY PRINCIPAL IN LIFE WAS TO STAND IN FACE OF ANY UNCONSITUTIONAL MEANS OF ACHIEVING GOALS NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION, WHAT THE CIRUCMSTANCES. HE WAS BOOED AND RIDICULED BECAUSE OF HIS OPPOSITION TO THE IMMENSELY POPULIST MOVEMENT OF GANDHI AND THE ALI BROTHERS. THE QAID OPPOSED THE NON-VIOLENT MOVEMENT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A POPULIST ONE.
THESE FAUJI FREAKS ARE NOT ONLY NON-CONSTITUTIONAL, BUT THEY HAVE NO POPULAR SUPPORT ASIDE FROM ASSUMPTION THAT `THE SILENT MAJORITY` AT LARGE HAVE THE NOTION THAT `IT COULD BE WORSE!` HARBORING NOTIONS SUCH AS THESE IN ITSELF SHOWS THAT IDEALISM IS FUKING DEAD AMONG THOSE WHO SUPPORT THE FAUJIZ!! AND FAUJI SUPPORTERS CLAIM TO BE HONORING THE QAID!!
I sincerely hope you are not a fauji-lover. Because if you are not and totally oppose them, then I will view your above letter with the deepest appreciation and admiration because the Qaid`s dream of a constitutional state is being slaughtered by one excuse or another.
DINA WADIA NEEDS TO BE APOLOGIZED FOR THE FUKED UP STATE THE FAUJIZ HAVE BROUGHT THE NATION TO. HER FATHER`S ONLY PRINCIPAL IN LIFE WAS TO STAND IN FACE OF ANY UNCONSITUTIONAL MEANS OF ACHIEVING GOALS NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION, WHAT THE CIRUCMSTANCES. HE WAS BOOED AND RIDICULED BECAUSE OF HIS OPPOSITION TO THE IMMENSELY POPULIST MOVEMENT OF GANDHI AND THE ALI BROTHERS. THE QAID OPPOSED THE NON-VIOLENT MOVEMENT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A POPULIST ONE.
THESE FAUJI FREAKS ARE NOT ONLY NON-CONSTITUTIONAL, BUT THEY HAVE NO POPULAR SUPPORT ASIDE FROM ASSUMPTION THAT `THE SILENT MAJORITY` AT LARGE HAVE THE NOTION THAT `IT COULD BE WORSE!` HARBORING NOTIONS SUCH AS THESE IN ITSELF SHOWS THAT IDEALISM IS FUKING DEAD AMONG THOSE WHO SUPPORT THE FAUJIZ!! AND FAUJI SUPPORTERS CLAIM TO BE HONORING THE QAID!!
#6 Posted by gujjubania on March 31, 2004 11:22:30 am
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#7 Posted by i-am-the-cheese on March 31, 2004 12:24:40 pm
the lady has a horrifying sense of dressing and no style at all... besides that little fact, i felt it very sad that quaidooz daughter was in the country and it was all so unemotional, private and tightlipped... also, she needs to lose those leggings
#8 Posted by mohar11 on March 31, 2004 12:24:41 pm
#3 by rozaiba
//...THE QAID OPPOSED THE NON-VIOLENT MOVEMENT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A POPULIST ONE. ..//
Jinnah opposed Non-violent movement? Are you sure? I mean - what exactly was his plan to get rid of the British? Or organize people to fight for their rights? I mean - for rest of the world - the non-violennce is the best way to do such things.
Boy - the more I know about this guy - the more bizzare he appears.
//...THE QAID OPPOSED THE NON-VIOLENT MOVEMENT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A POPULIST ONE. ..//
Jinnah opposed Non-violent movement? Are you sure? I mean - what exactly was his plan to get rid of the British? Or organize people to fight for their rights? I mean - for rest of the world - the non-violennce is the best way to do such things.
Boy - the more I know about this guy - the more bizzare he appears.
#9 Posted by Ahmadzai on March 31, 2004 12:24:41 pm
Although this is a very well written and timely article, I tend to agree with Romair at # 2.
Romair please note that Pakistani Government treated her as state guest, but no more than that. Her visit to Pakistan was not projected at all. Even the newspapers and electronic media did not go overboard.
In his appearance in News Night on PTV today, President Musharraf mentioned that she called him for thanks only when a journalist mentioned to him that he had received a letter from the lady asking him to say thanks to the President on her behalf.
Now the fundoo Indoos may be resenting her visit to Pakistan, the only fact is that she visited her MAYKA as an Indian citizen, was treated as as a state guest, was not glorified in any manner, returned to her Susraal where she is expected to live happily ever after, that is about all.
Btw, Tariq, great job as mentioned in the last paragraph of your article.
Romair please note that Pakistani Government treated her as state guest, but no more than that. Her visit to Pakistan was not projected at all. Even the newspapers and electronic media did not go overboard.
In his appearance in News Night on PTV today, President Musharraf mentioned that she called him for thanks only when a journalist mentioned to him that he had received a letter from the lady asking him to say thanks to the President on her behalf.
Now the fundoo Indoos may be resenting her visit to Pakistan, the only fact is that she visited her MAYKA as an Indian citizen, was treated as as a state guest, was not glorified in any manner, returned to her Susraal where she is expected to live happily ever after, that is about all.
Btw, Tariq, great job as mentioned in the last paragraph of your article.
#10 Posted by jang on March 31, 2004 12:24:41 pm
#2 by Romair on March 31, 2004 11:08am PT
Could someone explain exactly why Dina Wadia is a celeberity, or deserves to be treated as a State guest?
She is important because she came with Nusli, chief of Bombay Dyeing. It is common practice to be nice to big-shot industrialist. In any case, its more important than hosting Hawk Hunting parties with minor Saudi princelings, (did you object to that in the past).
Could someone explain exactly why Dina Wadia is a celeberity, or deserves to be treated as a State guest?
She is important because she came with Nusli, chief of Bombay Dyeing. It is common practice to be nice to big-shot industrialist. In any case, its more important than hosting Hawk Hunting parties with minor Saudi princelings, (did you object to that in the past).
#11 Posted by kaurasach on March 31, 2004 1:00:40 pm
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#12 Posted by rozaiba on March 31, 2004 2:45:27 pm
It doesn`t matter where Dina Wadia lives, what she does etc. She is Baba-e-Qaum`s daughter and I will worship her. You heard me! This is pure hero worship!
Mohar: Qaid-e-Azam opposed anything unconstitutional.
Mohar: Qaid-e-Azam opposed anything unconstitutional.
#13 Posted by AlephNull on March 31, 2004 4:01:24 pm
rozaiba #12:
{{Qaid-e-Azam opposed anything unconstitutional.}}
How about Direct Action Day? Eh?
{{Qaid-e-Azam opposed anything unconstitutional.}}
How about Direct Action Day? Eh?
#14 Posted by rsridhar on March 31, 2004 6:08:42 pm
re:#2 by Romair
``But shouldn`t someone have done something for Pakistan, to get a, ``special`` status amongst its people. ``
So, what exactly did Morarji Desai do to deserve the highest civilian award (Nishaan-e- Pak?)?
Sridhar
``But shouldn`t someone have done something for Pakistan, to get a, ``special`` status amongst its people. ``
So, what exactly did Morarji Desai do to deserve the highest civilian award (Nishaan-e- Pak?)?
Sridhar
#15 Posted by Romair on March 31, 2004 6:50:25 pm
ahmadzai #9: ``Romair please note that Pakistani Government treated her as state guest, but no more than that.``
State guest is pretty much the highest status that a state can give to a guest. It is no joke. It is a protocol reserved for visiting dignataries. It is not based on likes or dislikes. Vajpayee and Advani should be treated like state guests. Not Dina Wadia. It has nothing to do with personalities.
rozaiba #12: ``Mohar: Qaid-e-Azam opposed anything unconstitutional.``
This can be looked at in two ways. Jinnah was a Constitutional dictator, i.e. an elected dictator. Albeit a very good and very honest one. I have always argued that this is exactly what Pakistan has needed and still needs.
His govt. was a one-man show. He appointed himself the governor-general. Lived an extremely elitist life, with more in common with British aristocracy, than with a normal Pakistani. His control over his own party was tighter than Benazir`s control over her party. He was, in all practical terms, its head for life (much like Benazir).
There was no second-tier leadership to take over from him, when he died. Perhaps because the party was a one-man show. Muslim League was unfortunately not an institution. It was him and his typewriter. So, you are pushing it a bit, when you say he opposed anything Unconstitutional. He, himself was the Constitution. He could mold it, write it, turn it into anything he wanted.
Having said this, he was a great man. And a Constitutional dictator, like him (or Lee Kuan Yu), is exactly what Pakistan needs today.
His daughter never bothered much about Pakistan. Nor apparently about her own father (and I guess the feeling was mutual). That is her own personal choice and business. But, I think one needs to do something for a country, or be a foreign state dignatary to gain a state guest status. One cannot just do it through a membership of the, ``lucky sperm`` club.
Its great that she visited. But I have an in-built dislike for people who gain a certain status, through ancestory or through rhetoric, without doing anything. So I am still more interested in the visit of Sardarji Singh from Amritsar.
State guest is pretty much the highest status that a state can give to a guest. It is no joke. It is a protocol reserved for visiting dignataries. It is not based on likes or dislikes. Vajpayee and Advani should be treated like state guests. Not Dina Wadia. It has nothing to do with personalities.
rozaiba #12: ``Mohar: Qaid-e-Azam opposed anything unconstitutional.``
This can be looked at in two ways. Jinnah was a Constitutional dictator, i.e. an elected dictator. Albeit a very good and very honest one. I have always argued that this is exactly what Pakistan has needed and still needs.
His govt. was a one-man show. He appointed himself the governor-general. Lived an extremely elitist life, with more in common with British aristocracy, than with a normal Pakistani. His control over his own party was tighter than Benazir`s control over her party. He was, in all practical terms, its head for life (much like Benazir).
There was no second-tier leadership to take over from him, when he died. Perhaps because the party was a one-man show. Muslim League was unfortunately not an institution. It was him and his typewriter. So, you are pushing it a bit, when you say he opposed anything Unconstitutional. He, himself was the Constitution. He could mold it, write it, turn it into anything he wanted.
Having said this, he was a great man. And a Constitutional dictator, like him (or Lee Kuan Yu), is exactly what Pakistan needs today.
His daughter never bothered much about Pakistan. Nor apparently about her own father (and I guess the feeling was mutual). That is her own personal choice and business. But, I think one needs to do something for a country, or be a foreign state dignatary to gain a state guest status. One cannot just do it through a membership of the, ``lucky sperm`` club.
Its great that she visited. But I have an in-built dislike for people who gain a certain status, through ancestory or through rhetoric, without doing anything. So I am still more interested in the visit of Sardarji Singh from Amritsar.
#16 Posted by arjun_m on March 31, 2004 7:20:54 pm
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