The Girl from Napoli

Check your premise Asif!

Did you find the beauty ``divine`` only until you had some chance to own her? And as soon as you discovered that she was already engaged ``the spell was broken``. How dubious?

Love is like life. You got to go along no matter what the situations are.

oh! but you never said, you were in love, it was just like a tickel, itching, and her boyfriend got you the curing ointment...isn`t it?

Asif,

nice! gives one a sense of de-ja-vu; bubble-gum pop and teenage love.

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Naqshbandi...

Married life is great... thanks for asking :)

nazarhayatkhan....it was too early to propose! one doesn`t propose over a simple infatuation...plus also she was a kafir christian so i would have insisted she convert to islam before i married her even if she had said `yes`.


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those of you liked my article...thanks.

:-)

manto

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i am not sure whether to take your comments as a compliment or not! howz married life anyway?

i did originally post a much longer article--about 30% longer--but chowk editors insisted i make it shorter. the original version was more personal with more philosophical insights...
unfortunately i never saved it so i cannot put it up on here...if the chowk editors still have it it`d be good if they could repost it in here...

:-)

Wow... talk about classical Islamic civilization... perhaps had you revealed this side of your Islam before, we might not have been as harsh about your views as we were :)

Great article... and for this and for Muslims like you... I must say Allah Hu Akbar.

warpster: that ladder theory is brilliant!! thanks for the link...haven`t smiled so much for ages!

:D

I agree: You gave up far too soon.

May I recommend the Ladder theory?

http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html

enjoyable read.

fv,

...... you are positively wicked ... subhanallah!

Wrt #29 by hamidm2:

[..........subhan allah!.........what kind of crap is this ?..............when i see a beautiful woman with olive skin, dark red lips and doe-like eyes all i feel is a stirring in my loins ......... but come to think of it, at my age, that in itself is a small miracle - so i guess a few subhanallahs are in order ........ so, subhanallah!
............ and who do you blame when you see a fat ugly woman from wisconsin ?...... satan?]

You don`t get it...the writer here is a bit of a Sufi, therefore he praises divinity for every beautiful creation. But the true believers (men, women) are supposed to say subhanallah with greater fervour when they see fat ugly women from Wisconsin, men with beer bellies, women with moustaches, men without moustaches, women with creased expressions and starched clothes, men who wear synthetic fabrics and jewellery, men with hair coming out of their ears, noses, men with soot-encrusted nails, men with a bump on their heads (this is a double whammy, so in the subhanallah the suffix is kind of stretched...). That is the reason anyone who has tasted tempting wonders is called ``shaitaan ki aulaad``.
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#37 by nazarhayatkhan:

Asif is right. He has run a search engine, mashaallah!

Asif # 27

(who told you men dont have orgasms?! )

Not trying to be overly fussy with linguistics - in sex everything goes.

But climaxing of female sexual experience is termed as `Orgasm`.
The climaxing of male experience is simply termed as `Ejaculation`.

By proposing, I meant `Will you marry me?`. Propose is always used in this sense.
You invite people to `Go out` or `Dance` or `Dinner`.

very nice story, glad you met someone interesting..better luck next-time.

1. Do you always cereal or somtimes fried eggs or hash (something from the grill) as well? Is it not haram if bacon was fried on the same grill?
2. Is there anything in hadith about proper way to date? (no, not the khajur kind) Does one have to take any precautions before dating a Christian? For example, if she eats pork or drinks al-cohol, is angrezi chummi kosher?
3. Is it better to go on a male of her family present?

regards

Asif,
You gave up too fast. Once she said she had a boyfriend, you should have switched to Plan B. Plan B is to become friends with her, so that you get a chance to hang out with her without pressurizing her to date you. Since her boyfriend is back home, you know the saying -``Out of sight, out of mind``. Sooner or later, she would have some argument with her boyfriend. It is inevitable, especially if they are physically separate. Also she may get lonely and desire company. So if you hang in there, most likely your chance would come. Of course, your willingness to spend some money on dinners, lunches etc. (on a friendly basis, of course :-) ) would certainly help.

nice fantasy!...
u write kool ;)

jaani ke, Naqash bhai was ready to become infidel for this beauty but she did a KLPD on him.
abh yeh tou pata chal giya ke Naqashbandi ka imaan bhi doal sakta hai....kitne pe, kis pe, yeh zahir hona baaki hai.:)

pariyaN nu dekh ke te Rabb doal jaanda ay banda kehRay baagh di mooli ay.

temporal:



sunaa hai log use aa.Nkh bhar ke dekhate hai.n
so us ke shahar me.n kuchh din Thahar ke dekhate hai.n

sunaa hai rabt hai us ko Kharaab haalo.n se
so apane aap ko barbaad karake dekhate hai.n

sunaa hai bole to baato.n se phuul jha.Date hai.n
ye baat hai to chalo baat kar ke dekhate hai.n

;-)

(btw this whole ghazal by Ahmed Faraz demands to be posted on here in full!)

Naqshbandi #16,

``...simply because sometimes looking at or seeing something beautiful can remind you of the Divine ie the Creator in the sense that you say, ``subhan Allah! What beauty Allah has created!```


After seeing that iraqi boy alive after half his body burned and both hands missing...did you say ``oye Allah, what the fuk are you doing oye ??``

(I bet not!)

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``looking at or seeing something beautiful can remind you of the Divine ie the Creator in the sense that you say, ``subhan Allah! What beauty Allah has created!```.........

..........subhan allah!.........what kind of crap is this ?..............when i see a beautiful woman with olive skin, dark red lips and doe-like eyes all i feel is a stirring in my loins ......... but come to think of it, at my age, that in itself is a small miracle - so i guess a few subhanallahs are in order ........ so, subhanallah!

............ and who do you blame when you see a fat ugly woman from wisconsin ?...... satan?

Reading this personal account, I feel like narrating ``The Guy from Puerto Rico - a Greek God.``

Teaser:

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His beautifully chiselled face, dark curly hair, carefully chosen words, soft speech, lovable big eyes, fair complexion, reasonably tall height, 101% decent mannerisms, intelligence and character shining through his eyes took me completely off guard the very first time we met each other on our very 1st day at work. We were paired up for the 1st day orientation lunch. Nature has a very interesting way of bringing two complete strangers straight out of grad school together. A very unique and strange chemistry hovered over our heads. By looking at each other, we could read a lot. There was a very strange connection that did not require words to engage. There was a strange mutual respect for our respective identities.

I guess I got carried away by reading Asif`s personal account...

Later,

Assalam Aleikum Asif Sahib

After reading the teaser, I thought your piece had something to do with Imam Ghazali`s Ihya Ulum-Id-Din but I guess NOT. Interesting take on narrating your infatuation based solely on physical appearences. But do you really think justifying this by connecting it with Divinity was necessary? Does this even need justification; its only natural, isn`t it?
Take care

Faiza Hussain

temporal...

...searching for two black cocks (roosters) for sadqa to get maulana aasif off the charges of khud-wasli and subsequent punishment of twenty one lashes...;)

``I spent most of the evening standing in the corner of the noisy, darkened, common room . . . elated that I could see the Italian beauty in the room, dancing away seductively . . . and, after a while I noticed my arms were around her slender waist. I could also smell the delicate fragrance of her mouth and I was very tempted to kiss her . . .``

I`ve seen this happen a thousand times. Mr. Cool spends most of the evening hanging out with the closest wall before coming on too strong to a pretty girl. Her boyfriend story was probably just a self-defence mechanism.

That said, there is something crushingly honest about this story. Which makes it endearing. But not quite enough, sadly.

Rafay Alam

nazar.....who told you men dont have orgasms?! you poor thing if you haven`t had one! as for the story of the boyfriend in italy i had asked around from people who knew her and it was true

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i knew that before i approached her--and if you read the article again you will see i DID ask her out...and she refused...



of course it could have all been a lie but i dont think so...

kuchh na ho tau adaawat hii sahih...

:-) you are right these mediterranean types can be stunning...

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Raw Dust: thanks for the Nabokov suggestion--i will check it out.

what a jerk! lost the battle even before the swords were drawn.

(Al Ghazzali said that it is impossible to describe the pleasures of orgasm to an impotent man....)

Just a technical correction - men do not have orgasm.

Naqshbandi

Crush - fixation - You expressed it so well.

Italian - these Medterrneans with that wheatish complexion are devastating. They are a bit conservative too.

But why ``for a while at least, I became an infidel, lost in her presence to all else`` . It was completely natural for you. Everyone goes throughs it.

And that story about the boy friend in Italy is probably all bull. You could have at least proposed to her - what is there to lose?

I hope you do not wear a beard - bacauae a beard could be a red rag these days.

malik99

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then you haven`t read Imam Ghazzali rahmatullah alayhi`s On Breaking the Two Desires (Kitab Qasr al Shahwatayn) of the Ihya Ulum al Din translated brilliantly into English by TJ Winter (now Shaykh Abd al Hakim Murad) published by Islamic Texts Society, Cambridge UK.

Aamir Bhai: walaykum salam, I understand where you are coming from and I appreciate and accept your comments.

Who was the Arab poet btw? Is it Abu Nawas? (BTW if you want to see beauty and Divinity in poetry you must read the Shaykh al Akbar`s Tarjuman al Ashwaq :-))

Farzana--I used religious imagery not for any fear or anything but simply because sometimes looking at or seeing something beautiful can remind you of the Divine ie the Creator in the sense that you say, ``subhan Allah! What beauty Allah has created!``` That`s all.

thanks for the interacts...will reply tomorrow as it is late and i have to get up early tomorrow...

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Seeing the Divine reflected in human beauty doesn`t in any way mean the human IS Divine (astaghfirullah) but it is the closest mirror we have till the Next World. If you read commentaries of Layla Majnun etc, Waris Shah`s Heer etc. you will see the scholars have interpreted them in such a manner. NOT that I am giving any such delusions to my own experience: that was just as some one put it already infatuation. My article was trying to describe how I felt hence it was quite emotional. I did try to be honest. Like I said I am very sensitive to human beauty....

[Now, as a rule I never go to house parties (or any other parties) because of religious reasons but when I heard she would be there too I resolved to go.]

why is it that so many people give up what they beleive in or divert from it when the time comes for them to really prove their beleifs in life??

we give up what we have for sumthing we cant get in the long run anyway...

i just dont get it!!!

khamkwah:

iss ashiqi meiN izzat e sadaat bhi gayee...;)

kamal kartay haiN aap...sud afsos!
b`qOl saqi farooqui kay
yeh tO (asif mian ki harkat) khud-wasali ka pehla darja thaa
aur aapnay isay ish`q say taabir kardya
sud afsos!

kuffara diji`aye

t

Asif:
Your favorite writer Nabokov happened to have written something that you might be interested to read. Its a short story - ``Spring in Fialta``. Check it out.

And to those who are voicing out aloud their ridiculous ideas about a ``regular seductress`` i would say as CoolHandLuke did on some other board - ``a very photographic discussion by the interactors``.

Ansari:
i think we should let this article to work with its own set of ``Truths``. That ``mirrors of the divine beauty`` which riled you so much being one.

peace.

Not a thrilling story but still better than the chursee feature-writer`s delirium and grand-mals.

What a sap.

... in bombay parlance this would be described as ....khaaya piya kuch nahiN, glass toRa baara aanay...tsk tsk
iss ashiqi meiN izzat e sadaat bhi gayee...;)

Asif:

I thought you were writing about god! (I know teasers are only used to ensnare the readers/believers.) You start with the sublime but somehow I felt you were getting caught in a quagmire. How can anything that comes close to ``Divine Beauty`` have dark red lips? Normal healthy sensual lips are pink...so this was lipstick...took away the mystery almost immediately. She became just another woman...you say it is difficult to describe, and that could well be true, but your feelings should have been better-articulated. Come on, you are writing after it happened. The hormones have had time to rest :)

The ``glances of sheer poison`` made her sound more like a regular seductress than anything ethereal. I don`t want to judge, but perhaps you were trying to bring all this divine stuff in for fear of being an infidel? You need not have worried, for only a true believer can feel ``lost in her presence to all else``. I think the spell was broken because seeking transformed into greed, in reality or in your mind. Or was it shame that you mention?

Is it the shame of desire or of dejection? Am only voicing aloud thoughts...next time don`t leave any empty seat between you and her...whoever, wherever...

Salaam Naqshbandi,

All I can say is, na na na na na! Hahahahah! Ethereal beauty ko bolta hai.

Sorry, mate. Better luck next time.

Umer M.

Never before had I seen Imam Ghazali and orgasm mentioned in the same sentence.

My dear Mr Naqshbandi,

You were smitten like a teenager. This is called infatuation!

I suggest you get out a little more and socialize casually with the opposite sex. Thats the best way to get over your bashfulness. I have often seen that the ones who seclude themselves in the name of religion fall the hardest when they fall.

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Asif sahab,

A few comments, if I may, on your article:

(1) ``That one can imagine them as being mirrors of the Divine Beauty.`` As Muslims we believe when we read in Surah Ikhlaas, wa lam ya kullahu kufuwan ahad (And there is none like unto Him). Nothing mirrors Divine Beauty - no human concept, no human form can possibly even conceive to snare that.

(2) This is a very honest article. You`re right. It`s a tremendous feeling, too grand for words sometimes. And yet, don`t you think, in the spirit of modesty, that the passion needs to be tamed, if only to protect ourselves? People can get quite viciously hurt sometimes as they let themselves be lured by impulse. As one Arab poet writes,

A look, then a smile, then a nod of the head,
Then a talk, then a promise, then the warmth of a bed.

Assalamualaikum,

Aamir

You, Asif Naqshbandi, are amazing!!

asif:

dum lya tha na qayamat nay hanooz
phir t`ra waq`t e safar yaad aaya