Asif Naqshbandi April 7, 2004
#1 Posted by temporal on April 7, 2004 9:06:11 am
asif:
dum lya tha na qayamat nay hanooz
phir t`ra waq`t e safar yaad aaya
dum lya tha na qayamat nay hanooz
phir t`ra waq`t e safar yaad aaya
#3 Posted by Ansari on April 7, 2004 9:17:16 am
Asif sahab,
A few comments, if I may, on your article:
(1) ``That one can imagine them as being mirrors of the Divine Beauty.`` As Muslims we believe when we read in Surah Ikhlaas, wa lam ya kullahu kufuwan ahad (And there is none like unto Him). Nothing mirrors Divine Beauty - no human concept, no human form can possibly even conceive to snare that.
(2) This is a very honest article. You`re right. It`s a tremendous feeling, too grand for words sometimes. And yet, don`t you think, in the spirit of modesty, that the passion needs to be tamed, if only to protect ourselves? People can get quite viciously hurt sometimes as they let themselves be lured by impulse. As one Arab poet writes,
A look, then a smile, then a nod of the head,
Then a talk, then a promise, then the warmth of a bed.
Assalamualaikum,
Aamir
A few comments, if I may, on your article:
(1) ``That one can imagine them as being mirrors of the Divine Beauty.`` As Muslims we believe when we read in Surah Ikhlaas, wa lam ya kullahu kufuwan ahad (And there is none like unto Him). Nothing mirrors Divine Beauty - no human concept, no human form can possibly even conceive to snare that.
(2) This is a very honest article. You`re right. It`s a tremendous feeling, too grand for words sometimes. And yet, don`t you think, in the spirit of modesty, that the passion needs to be tamed, if only to protect ourselves? People can get quite viciously hurt sometimes as they let themselves be lured by impulse. As one Arab poet writes,
A look, then a smile, then a nod of the head,
Then a talk, then a promise, then the warmth of a bed.
Assalamualaikum,
Aamir
#4 Posted by kaurasach on April 7, 2004 9:55:02 am
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#5 Posted by Shehryar on April 7, 2004 9:55:03 am
My dear Mr Naqshbandi,
You were smitten like a teenager. This is called infatuation!
I suggest you get out a little more and socialize casually with the opposite sex. Thats the best way to get over your bashfulness. I have often seen that the ones who seclude themselves in the name of religion fall the hardest when they fall.
You were smitten like a teenager. This is called infatuation!
I suggest you get out a little more and socialize casually with the opposite sex. Thats the best way to get over your bashfulness. I have often seen that the ones who seclude themselves in the name of religion fall the hardest when they fall.
#6 Posted by malik99 on April 7, 2004 9:55:03 am
Never before had I seen Imam Ghazali and orgasm mentioned in the same sentence.
#7 Posted by UmerMurtaza on April 7, 2004 9:55:04 am
Salaam Naqshbandi,
All I can say is, na na na na na! Hahahahah! Ethereal beauty ko bolta hai.
Sorry, mate. Better luck next time.
Umer M.
All I can say is, na na na na na! Hahahahah! Ethereal beauty ko bolta hai.
Sorry, mate. Better luck next time.
Umer M.
#8 Posted by FarzanaVersey on April 7, 2004 11:41:17 am
Asif:
I thought you were writing about god! (I know teasers are only used to ensnare the readers/believers.) You start with the sublime but somehow I felt you were getting caught in a quagmire. How can anything that comes close to ``Divine Beauty`` have dark red lips? Normal healthy sensual lips are pink...so this was lipstick...took away the mystery almost immediately. She became just another woman...you say it is difficult to describe, and that could well be true, but your feelings should have been better-articulated. Come on, you are writing after it happened. The hormones have had time to rest :)
The ``glances of sheer poison`` made her sound more like a regular seductress than anything ethereal. I don`t want to judge, but perhaps you were trying to bring all this divine stuff in for fear of being an infidel? You need not have worried, for only a true believer can feel ``lost in her presence to all else``. I think the spell was broken because seeking transformed into greed, in reality or in your mind. Or was it shame that you mention?
Is it the shame of desire or of dejection? Am only voicing aloud thoughts...next time don`t leave any empty seat between you and her...whoever, wherever...
I thought you were writing about god! (I know teasers are only used to ensnare the readers/believers.) You start with the sublime but somehow I felt you were getting caught in a quagmire. How can anything that comes close to ``Divine Beauty`` have dark red lips? Normal healthy sensual lips are pink...so this was lipstick...took away the mystery almost immediately. She became just another woman...you say it is difficult to describe, and that could well be true, but your feelings should have been better-articulated. Come on, you are writing after it happened. The hormones have had time to rest :)
The ``glances of sheer poison`` made her sound more like a regular seductress than anything ethereal. I don`t want to judge, but perhaps you were trying to bring all this divine stuff in for fear of being an infidel? You need not have worried, for only a true believer can feel ``lost in her presence to all else``. I think the spell was broken because seeking transformed into greed, in reality or in your mind. Or was it shame that you mention?
Is it the shame of desire or of dejection? Am only voicing aloud thoughts...next time don`t leave any empty seat between you and her...whoever, wherever...
#9 Posted by khamkhwa. on April 7, 2004 12:35:40 pm
... in bombay parlance this would be described as ....khaaya piya kuch nahiN, glass toRa baara aanay...tsk tsk
iss ashiqi meiN izzat e sadaat bhi gayee...;)
iss ashiqi meiN izzat e sadaat bhi gayee...;)
#11 Posted by echoboom on April 7, 2004 12:35:40 pm
Not a thrilling story but still better than the chursee feature-writer`s delirium and grand-mals.
#12 Posted by Raw_Dust on April 7, 2004 1:13:51 pm
Asif:
Your favorite writer Nabokov happened to have written something that you might be interested to read. Its a short story - ``Spring in Fialta``. Check it out.
And to those who are voicing out aloud their ridiculous ideas about a ``regular seductress`` i would say as CoolHandLuke did on some other board - ``a very photographic discussion by the interactors``.
Ansari:
i think we should let this article to work with its own set of ``Truths``. That ``mirrors of the divine beauty`` which riled you so much being one.
peace.
Your favorite writer Nabokov happened to have written something that you might be interested to read. Its a short story - ``Spring in Fialta``. Check it out.
And to those who are voicing out aloud their ridiculous ideas about a ``regular seductress`` i would say as CoolHandLuke did on some other board - ``a very photographic discussion by the interactors``.
Ansari:
i think we should let this article to work with its own set of ``Truths``. That ``mirrors of the divine beauty`` which riled you so much being one.
peace.
#13 Posted by temporal on April 7, 2004 2:41:04 pm
khamkwah:
iss ashiqi meiN izzat e sadaat bhi gayee...;)
kamal kartay haiN aap...sud afsos!
b`qOl saqi farooqui kay
yeh tO (asif mian ki harkat) khud-wasali ka pehla darja thaa
aur aapnay isay ish`q say taabir kardya
sud afsos!
kuffara diji`aye
t
iss ashiqi meiN izzat e sadaat bhi gayee...;)
kamal kartay haiN aap...sud afsos!
b`qOl saqi farooqui kay
yeh tO (asif mian ki harkat) khud-wasali ka pehla darja thaa
aur aapnay isay ish`q say taabir kardya
sud afsos!
kuffara diji`aye
t
#14 Posted by bfn on April 7, 2004 5:13:51 pm
[Now, as a rule I never go to house parties (or any other parties) because of religious reasons but when I heard she would be there too I resolved to go.]
why is it that so many people give up what they beleive in or divert from it when the time comes for them to really prove their beleifs in life??
we give up what we have for sumthing we cant get in the long run anyway...
i just dont get it!!!
why is it that so many people give up what they beleive in or divert from it when the time comes for them to really prove their beleifs in life??
we give up what we have for sumthing we cant get in the long run anyway...
i just dont get it!!!
#15 Posted by Naqshbandi on April 7, 2004 5:21:13 pm
thanks for the interacts...will reply tomorrow as it is late and i have to get up early tomorrow...
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Seeing the Divine reflected in human beauty doesn`t in any way mean the human IS Divine (astaghfirullah) but it is the closest mirror we have till the Next World. If you read commentaries of Layla Majnun etc, Waris Shah`s Heer etc. you will see the scholars have interpreted them in such a manner. NOT that I am giving any such delusions to my own experience: that was just as some one put it already infatuation. My article was trying to describe how I felt hence it was quite emotional. I did try to be honest. Like I said I am very sensitive to human beauty....
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Seeing the Divine reflected in human beauty doesn`t in any way mean the human IS Divine (astaghfirullah) but it is the closest mirror we have till the Next World. If you read commentaries of Layla Majnun etc, Waris Shah`s Heer etc. you will see the scholars have interpreted them in such a manner. NOT that I am giving any such delusions to my own experience: that was just as some one put it already infatuation. My article was trying to describe how I felt hence it was quite emotional. I did try to be honest. Like I said I am very sensitive to human beauty....
#16 Posted by Naqshbandi on April 7, 2004 5:34:44 pm
Farzana--I used religious imagery not for any fear or anything but simply because sometimes looking at or seeing something beautiful can remind you of the Divine ie the Creator in the sense that you say, ``subhan Allah! What beauty Allah has created!``` That`s all.
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