Jehad and The Curriculum

Yoda, Star Wars Trilogy

``You must unlearn what you have learned.`` ``Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will...``

``Beware of the dark side. Anger...fear...aggression. The dark side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight.``

They shud also remove this from basic text books of religious school in Pakistan

ali say allah
bay say bandook (gun)
tai say tank
jeem say jehad
kaaf say kalishankov

etc etc

I have seen it with my own eyes

Plus there were stories of valour of people fighting in Afganistan ........ there was a picture of small guy (pashtoon) standing on destroyed tank with USSR sign and yelling allah o akabar ........... come on ......... these things are way more visible ........... stop them first

Its Muslims who need to be reformed...not Islam.

And on the subject of distorted history lessons in our curriculum...yes there is an urgent need to get rid of narrow minded and shallow ideas that are being spoonfed to our school goers...
Although we cram up most of what is written in the books without giving a thought but these things stay stuck in our sub-conscious...and distort our ability to think clearly...and to accept mistakes that we have made...we only learn to glorify ourselves...or to belittle others...
thats what is being taught in our school books.

you cannot put lipstick on a pig and pass it off as a horse .............

............ people like malik99 and urstruly show why it wouldn`t make any difference if you edited the text books.......... the cancer has spread to every part of the body and radical surgery is required ...........there is no point in removing the word jihad from the text books if the children continue to be fed the nonsense about badr, khandaq and the conquest of mecca ...........as long as they continue to draw inspiraiton from the warrior prophet and continue to believe in the unedited version of the book, they will continue to grow up to be potential jihadis hell-bent on getting to heaven and their seventy virgins .............there is no hope ............. in every age there were barbarians that threatened civilization..........so be it - eventually they were defeated and mankind moved on ..............

kaurasach #2 you write ``This article reaffirms what sane people already know, and what most muslims either support or refuse to confront. ``

You are right for once, I will say. The only solution to the jehadis is to give them a taste of the jehad they seek - blasting them to hell with daisy cutters as the US military did in afghanistan, or flushing them out from the tribal areas as the Pakistan military is now (finally!) getting around to doing. Note that in Wana these scoundrels did not ``die fighting`` or anything glorious like their big talk - they quietly surrendered to save their skins.

As for urstruly quoting from the Quran, I think it is monstrous that he should drag the Quran into his own mischievous way of thinking. The Quranic message is one of peace - the jehadis message is that of the devil.

malik #13 Perhaps it is time to sharpen that (intellectual, hopefully) sword you promised to cut me with next time you got your chance. So, en garde, my young friend, and read my response to your question:

``Is religious fundamentalism the ONLY problem emanating from Pakistani curriculum? ``

The answer is no. Fine.

But your question is stupid. It is stupid because in asking that question you imply that just because the rest of the curriculum could be strengthened we should do nothing to take such abominations as the insertion of half-baked mullah ideology (which incidentally violates not only common sense but the fundamental message of the Quran as well) into biology and physics textbooks?

You question is also immoral. How dare you, having benefitted from a proper education in the US, deny the same thing to those less fortunate than you in Pakistan?

I am now ready for your response. I would advise you to stay focussed on what I have written and not try to play games and parry around. Since if you do, I shall cut through your arguments like a knife goes through butter. intellectually speaking, as always.

Nazarhayatkhan # 15 - You wrote ``I sandby with my views of ``Zero Tolerance`` for state telling its subjects what to believe in``

Your ideas are not just slavish, they have an added element of hypocricy too. Why is your ``Zero Tolerance`` of state meddling in our beliefs limited to the religious part of the text? Why not to the history part? Why not the social studies part? or the even the science part? Does it have something to do with the fact that religious part is the only ``belief`` part that the West is interested in?

Yes, Pakistan has 1% minorities who do not share Islamic belief. They could be easily accomodated by customizing their texts with their own religious beliefs. Why you, the slave of west, are asking the 99% people of Pakistan to revamp the ``religious only`` portion of their texts to accomodate the 1%?

Listen man, I respect the atheists and secularists. But your secularism does not arise from a studied approach. It arises from ignorance and slave mentality.

Malik99 # 14

I agree word `crusade` could have been avoided; especially when talking in this context.

However, I sandby with my views of ``Zero Tolerance`` for state telling its subjects what to believe in.

Pakistan also has Christians, Parsis, Hindus, Sikhs, non-believers - and they are equal citizens of the state.

Let me pose this simple question: Is religious fundamentalism the ONLY problem emanating from Pakistani curriculum?

The obvious answer is NO. Our curriculum contains low grade subject matter; it LIES about history of Pakistan; it LIES about the history of the land on which Pakistan was created; it HIDES the dark truths about our post-independence years; it produces BRAIN DEAD products who lack the minimal cognitive abilities or critical thinking to do anything fruitful in their lives.

So why this emphasis on ONLY the religious element of text? ahhhh! its because the west asked us to. Its because we are a SLAVE people. This was the only `problem` area in our curriculum that West seemed to be interested in.

Our whorish elite in Pakistan never cared much about curriculum since their own children were studying in convents and abroad. Now suddenly this elite has awoken and is scrambling to meet the timeline imposed by West for `improving` our curriculum by only focusing on the verses. As if substituiting a few verses will usher in an era of elightenment and our own ``spanish inquisition``.

Here is another feather in the low hanging skirt of General Whore.

nazarhayatkhan # 11 - You wrote: ``A good crusade``.

Your ignorance of history, your parrotting of western mantra and even their vocabulary has rendered you nothing more than a monkey who mimicks his master.

Instead of using ``good crusade``, why didn`t you use the phrase ``good pogrom``? Because then your masters would have casterated you and sent in their crusaders into your house looking for you.

This article is timely & based on a good research. Now there are many people inside the country who are aware of the fact that history which is written in Pakistani curiculum is somewhat mis-represented. But this is the problem with many of the countries in the world. Most of the governments try to show history with color of their respective religion, culture or political ideology.

Beena

A good crusade.

But it is like cleaning a table when the house is full of muck.

The `Constitution` says no law shall be made repugnant to Quran & Sunnah.

TNT, its purpose long achieved, is now re-hashed and touted as `Pakistan was made in the name of Islam` - as if the 140 Muslims in India are unable to perform their rituals.

The Army`s motto is `Jihad fe Sabeel Illah` - fight for Allah.

There is no end to the distortions in our structure.

Hamidm2 has absolute clear thinking on the subject.

And I thought `Jehad` meant `Not cheating on your Girlfriend.`

;)

I think curriculum has failed. But it does not matter. Rich people like my Abbaji sent all their children to convent English school and we end up in usa. Medium send to patriotic english school and children end up in usa. Only poor go to urdu medium school(end up in usa) and only no nothing marginal economic people send children send to Religious school. These poor people have less have than most dogs in rich house hold and their children live and work in Pakistan and it does not matter. Its preprogramed.
Religious schools and army has failed. Indian schools cram computers and get jobs so they achieve limited success.
This religious school product is supposed to be fighting man for Jehad incorporated and that is ok. But still they have not been successful in Liberation of Kashmir. Even army has infinite supply of religiously charged young man but proper training is not given so his sacrifice is wasted. But that does not matter as who dies he does not care for his life neither the senders them as cannon fodder to eastern front. I think Its best way to keep frustrated jehadis in control by destroying as once jehadi is always jehadi. An ideal jehadi when cools can find thug generals plan and will take care of fake muslim leaders who encourage jehadi for fight and army sends them to certain death. And army does not move for kashmiris and never moves when needed to help kashmiris. It just like Indian movie hero complains to heroine abou his ``Mjaburi, mai kya kar sakata hay?``.Its like chicken meat factory for male chickens, feeded , antibioticxed, fatttened and put on assembly belt and slaughtered and processed and marketed.

just for a moment..........

............ are we willing to consider the notion that we might be confronting an ideology that is beyond reform, beyond redemption, beyond any possibility of reform ?.......... think about it ........ do we have to thoroughly discredit, defeat, and vanquish this insidious philospophy before the text books can be changed ?................think about it ..............was it possile to ``reform`` communism?......... was it possible to ``reform`` nazism? .......... can we reform islam ?................ are these valid questions?

Bina,

Good points. Valid arguments. And, well put together feature!

The other major issue is how people at a high visibility role do not realize how the rest of the world will interpret their views. There is definitely lack of pragmatism and prudence.

That`s where Maliha Lodhi should be asked to coach some of the upcoming elected or nominated women.

Ironically, Pakistani Society does not value people of caliber by their brain, knowledge, and exposure. They mostly go by the age factor. To them, the older you are the more experience you have.