Jehad and The Curriculum

malik99,

..... sorry, i didn`t explain myself a little better ..... roy chohen was edgar hoover`s boyfriend and edgar was the biggest homophobe ever born........does that explains it ?

....as for doing `` everything in my abilities to make sure that my children do not take that route``........... it is none of my business and i do believe people don`t ``choose`` to be homosexual unless they are from the northwest frontier............

#64 by malik99

“…then let them discover their sexulaity on their own too.”

Despite your strong sentiments on the issue, this will eventually happen in Pakistan.
Society and attitudes always change. Trend for the last 200 years is towards the west as the west is providing leadership in pretty much all progress in the world. You are in the US because you thought this education is best for you. Others back home should have this choice too. You can’t have two sets of rules one for yourself and another for less fortunate.
BTW, how do you know it is not happening already????

“Let your sons have the choice of being the `butt boys` and your girls `carpet
munchers`. Really, why restrict their freedom to chose to religion only?”

As I said why should you be the person to have the choice? Or why are you choosing for them if at some point people want sexual choices then how are you going to stop it. Legislate against it???

BTW, it is rumored that the Chief Minister of Sindh is gay. He would never admit it but why should he have to hide it?

I think the correct usage for “rug munchers” is for man & not for female. Nobody uses “Butt boys” either. You must have been reading up the old stuff.

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hamidm #66 - Your idiotic post is incoherent and really does not make sense. Let me explain myself:

I am for live and let live. I DO NOT hate homosexuals AT ALL. However, I will do everything in my abilities to make sure that my children do not take that route. The point I was making in my post # 64 was that these feeble, baseless, beginner ``secularists`` on chowk who preach ``freedom to chose`` for the wrecthed and poor people of Pakistan, should be prepared to give the same freedom to chose to their own children - not only in religion, but also in life style (hetro / homo).

There is a movement in US schools to include ``sexual orientation neutral`` curriculum. The two gays / lesbian books that I mentioned earlier are in fact being pushed to be taught in schools. There are some christian and citizen organizations which are fighting tooth and nail to stop this. There is no wonder that `home schooling` is increasingly becoming an option for concerned parents.

malik99,

..........you know about j edgar hoover and other homophobes like him, don`t you? .......... it is not healthy to hate people because of their sexuality .......... and what about gilmans?...... you hate them too?

Just some interesting information how this Islamic zeal is affecting our nation`s productivity:

Some Air Hostesses who began wearing Hijab in PIA had to be moved to other ground positions. The PIA management could not throw them out because of their religious right.....?

Some Male Cabin attendants who were wearing very long beards were asked by the manageent to trim them. They replied that their sect says that no hair from the beared is to be trimmed throughout the life. Management could not do anything except for taking them off from flights going to US, Canada or Europe.

So be ready to be served on the PIA by sadhus.

How many poeple on Chowk went to Urdu medium schools? My guess is: NONE. Or maybe 1 or 2. Where is that vast majority of Pakistan`s urdu medium school graduates? Why are they not showing up on the internet and in the discussion boards of Chowk? May be they are too busy in the cycle workshops. May be they have yet to discover this `internet` thingy.

If we were a truly free nation, we would know that the aparthied english/urdu medium divide is the biggest problem that Pakistan faces. For most of these Urdu medium graduates, education ends at the martic level. After that they don`t have the means and the intellect to compete with english medium students for college seats, or for any jobs. The hopelessness and despair these overwhelming mahority of young people is far more heart wrenching and far more destructive than the inclusion / exclusion of verses.

For the self-styled secularists like tahmed32, NHK, and Mantolives, if we continue to be west`s whore, that day is not far when the West will tell us that our curriculum is not sufficiently tolerant towards gays and lesbians. And that the lesbians book for children called ``Heather Has Two Moms``, or the gays` book for children called ``My Two Dads`` become a required reading for your children.

If you are for allowing your kids to `discover` religion on their own, then let them discover their sexulaity on their own too. Let your sons have the choice of being the `butt boys` and your girls `carpet munchers`. Really, why restrict their freedom to chose to religion only?

Zain Malik

Author: Do something worthwhile. Join MAULANA sattar edhhi. Look walk and talk like a Pakistani muslim and you might start to make some sense.


It was this news item which the english press is reporting in a manner that would cater to their masters.

temporal #57 Good to see you back in action. In response no doubt Echosqueeeeek will print the entire saturday and sunday jang akhbaar in the urdu script.

Here is my addition to what you wrote:

There was some damned mullahs in Wana
Who said ``Fight to the death, we gonna!!``
On seeing the Pak jawans appear
They wet their shalwars, they dropped their gear
And cried ``Dont shoot! dont shoot! In the name of Allah
We only kill women and children, you hear!!``

Cleaning of the `hate` and `jehad` material from the mainstream schools is alright but what about the Madrissas which are mainly taught the Islamic literature which is prtected by Allah himself the say and therefore cannot be touched and they have laws prescribing
punishment for those who dare to make a change in them. Some of the Ahadees are so out of tune with our modern life that people touch their ears when they come across them incidently. I give a sample here which shows how a blind Sahabi deals with his loundi who disobeys him:
Sunnan Abudawud
Book 38, Number 4348:
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.























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The Religion of Peace?

Once there was a thief who got caught stealing fruit from a garden. Here is how the argument took place between him and the gardener:

Thief: Look! I was helpless. God willed it. You know nothing happens unless God wills it. So when I stole the fruit I did it according to God’s will hence I deserve no punishment.

Gardener: Yes you are right, but the club, which is about to you hit on your head, is also God’s will. Now you shouldn’t complain and shouldn’t try to move; Ok?

The imperialist thugs, who have had monopoly on violence for the past 400 years, are like those thieves who got caught with their pants halfway down on 9/11. For 400 years they have been stealing our natural resources, corrupting our people, and running our nations through puppets. And now when Muslim is awakening they try to remind us how peaceful our religion is? Islam is not a religion of peace; it is the religion of justice. Peace without justice is impossible. Islam doesn’t teach us to present the other cheek; it teaches us to stop the hand of aggressor who torments the weak and helpless. They may ban our religion; they may corrupt our religion; they may play one masquerade or the other, but they cannot steal the sense of justice and equity from human beings. Religion or no religion – justice is the destiny of human beings – and religion Islam is just one way to get to that destiny.

echo: How do you add urdu text or picture in replies? :)

...time to reintroduce the Proud Muslims Tarana with the same advisory;)…from the archives…for the tunnel-visioned regressives...

Proud Muslim`s Tarana

come then sing with me, come and sing with me
for am a muslim, a proud muslim
come and sing with me a proud muslim
on sleeves proudly I wear my badge
a book, a mat, a mark on my forehead
chant la ilaha illall’lah with me
I eat and pray and multiply
from a handful to a billion plus
for am a muslim, a proud muslim
five times a day I bow to the unseen
then I cock the gun and win some converts
come and sing with me a proud muslim
equal opportunity killer.

I kill for honour, I kill for pride
I kill for my Allah, my prophet
it matters not for me whom you follow
I kill jews, christians and hindus
believers non believers matter not
tall , short, dark, fair, old or young am an
equal opportunity killer
come and sing with me a proud muslim
when I run out of infidels I’ll kill
sunnis, shias, deobandis, barelvis

I kill for honour, I kill for pride
I kill for my Allah, my prophet
it matters not for me whom you follow
in the name of the Most Benificient
equal opportunity killer
card carrying proud muslim, that’s me
come and sing with me a proud muslim!

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Malik99...

Which country do you live in which has a 99% Muslim population? It is certainly not Pakistan... Please refer to my post #42.

Calling NazarhayatKhan slave because he is advocating what is sane and reasonable for Pakistan is just sad... while he might not be savvy with details... his idea of a modern democratic and secular Pakistan is just, fair and in the interest of Pakistan... We can`t allow TNT, a misunderstood cultural theory (and inaccurately named) which achieved its purpose and was discarded by Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan himself, to be rehashed as Islamic ideology. This is the real history.

People like you are fodder for people like Sadna who excel at lying about Pakistan and Pakistanis...

-YLH