Jehad and The Curriculum

Mantolives #42 Those are interesting figures for minorities in Pakistan. They are higher than I thought to be the case. What is the source of these figures? Incidentally, I think you also need to include the kalaash people of the north, known for their colorful costumes.

Jayaprakash Thackerey...

What we have enumerated are real problems with the educational system... I was of this opinion in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003... nothing you could say or do can influence me...

You are the product of the fanatical and bigoted RSS ideology... and you have your own issues you need to tackle... you commenting on our education system is like Asif Naqshbandi lecturing Vajpayee on secular democracy.

-YLH

malik99:

These guys (the slaves) are pissing in their pants . In their tiny minds they think themselves to be evolved beings. Just because such junkies are now being allowed in the areas where previously ``dogs & Indians not allowed`` they are now deluded to label themselves parrhaa-likhha, maaadren, pissfrothdrinker, and fornicator.

How pathetic that now a uniformed [ O how proudly they write retd . col or brig, or gen.--retd means retarded to us] and a machine-operator has the gaul to sit among the educated ones. No wonder Pakistan is in a mess--the ``self-respect`` which these shoe-shine boys award themselves because no one else in the nation gives it to them.

To the author: Please find something worthwhile to do with your time. Try to write and talk in Urdu and soon you will find out your learning level. Just like the villager who thinks even a gaali in arabic is holy, so do our english-medium types think that soc. and pol. sci [ghetto subjects] is ``education``.

They DARE not un-Islamise any curriculla and they MUST not let the new-quadyaanis-on-the-block mess around with muslim children`s minds. There would be consequences which hitherto are not even whispered. These frauds do not need more exposure, they need to be exposed.

End of discussion on this `optimistic` article.

reg Malik99 on the post by NHK whose truth speak shines as usual!

I repeat the post by johnny_bravvo

#22 by johnny_bravvo on April 3, 2004 7:05am PT
Its Muslims who need to be reformed...not Islam.

And on the subject of distorted history lessons in our curriculum...yes there is an urgent need to get rid of narrow minded and shallow ideas that are being spoonfed to our school goers...
Although we cram up most of what is written in the books without giving a thought but these things stay stuck in our sub-conscious...and distort our ability to think clearly...and to accept mistakes that we have made...we only learn to glorify ourselves...or to belittle others...
thats what is being taught in our school books

temporal,

............ thanks for the pinch hit

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allah o` akbar !

malik99 and echo and all these other muslim schizophrenics are getting their shorts all in a knot for nothing ......... they have nothing to fear - islam, ignorance, and idiocy are well and alive in pakistan and there is absolutely no danger that the people will change their text books or start using deodrant any time in the near future :

ISLAMABAD, April 3: Educational institutions` syllabus must not contain anything that is contrary to tenets of Islam and the ideology of Pakistan, s at educational institutions of the country , says Prime Minister Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali.

He said this while chairing a meeting attended by federal minister for education, all provincial education ministers, federal and provincial secretaries of education, representatives of the Azad Jammu and Kashmir and the Northern Areas here at the Prime Minister`s Secretariat.

Referring to complaints regarding deletion of Quranic verses from the syllabus of 9th and 10th classes, Mr Jamali directed that these verses should be incorporated in the curriculum of 9th and 10th classes by all the provinces.

The meeting also decided that the curriculum for biology for class IX and X, as had previously been approved by the competent forum and circulated in 1995 by the Ministry of Education, in so far it relates to relevant Islamic teachings - awareness of Holy Quran`s teachings about animals, plants life and the origins of life may be retained and Quranic verses/translations as they existed in the past may be restored.

The meeting decided that curriculum for biology for class XI and XII as approved and circulated in 2000 by the Ministry of Education may be followed.

interesting article on PMA in the washington post today. The reporter notes the interesting mix of british military traditions and quotations from the Quran at PMA. Mentions how Zia messed up the military by trying to elevate regimental maulvis (didnt work, as we know) and by promoting maulvi officers, and by subsequent quiet crackdown on the same whereby maulvi officers were quietly moved to non-sensitive posts. Progress in de-ziafication of the army is measured in number of bearded officers passing out from Kakul. Latest count, 30 beards out of 225 graduates (about 12 percent). Improvement from last year when it was 45 beards. This count was by the US military attache attending the parade, along with other military attaches from other countries. However, the ISI officer the reporter talked to refused to accept these figures, saying that only long beards counted since those were the ones the military worried about. And curriculum at PMA in fact focussed on political science, computers, military history and tactics.

So nothing much seems to have changed from the time I was growing up in the military cantonments when the focus was on professionalism, and whatever mischief zia introduced in the military is now being undone.

Could anyone please tell me what Qur`anic verses we are discussing in the curriculum?

I used to teach Pakistan Studies, and in that subject there is a lot falsehoods and misrepresentation of facts and biased jehadi references, but there were no Qur`anic verses.

Personally, I think that the MMA is confused and that is because they cannot read simple sentences and if they did, they would realize that they are claiming to defend something, which does not even exist! I wonder how many of MMA champions of Pakistan`s educational have actually opened one of these text books and read them?

In my opinion, politics has to be removed from education in Pakistan and politicians should not decide what should be the curriculum, but qualified eductionists. I will even go one step further and suggest that education in Pakistan should made secular; it should be separated from religion and politics and the students should be taught to read everything but to think for themselves.

Minds should not be straitjacketed.

Ciao

hamidm is right!

...even tho` he hasn`t said it yet;)

before messing with the curriculum...provide water...to drink...to clean up...get the mindset away from 6th century istanja...(if you don`t know what it is believe me you don`t want to know)

first step towards mental liberation is physical liberation...

a pitcher of clean drinking water a day and a working toilet for every citizen!...and while we are at it down with the occupying army...

...ok enough inspiration for a cloudy sunday morning...hamidm...order the flanks to move!

...t

ps: beena you better show up here:)

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nazarhayatkhan #38 - Your secularism has no basis, no rationale, and frankly it is not very coherent. If you truly want to be a good and solid secularist, i can suggest a few good books for you to read.

I went through Pakistani schools. I NEVER saw a question about calculating the area of mosques. Even if I did, after all i was in a country where 99% of the students are muslims, it did not raise my Islamic spirits enough to cause me or my classmates to bunk school and offer our zuhar prayers in the nearby mosque or to sign up for jihad in Kashmir.

My Physics book was the same that my teachers, and perhaps their own teachers had studied in their school days. But you don`t want to talk about the OUTDATED curriculum. Your masters` instructions are to focus only on the few relgious lines included in the text. So we move on.

Same was true with my chemistry book. My biology book had endless chapters on the respiratory and digestive system of frogs. And just to keep our teenage hormones in high gear, it also had a chapter on the sex life (reproductory system) of frogs. I never saw any mention of Islam in those chapters. And even if i did, it did not cause me and my friends to avoid standing outside our school gate and wave at the girls from a nearby all-girls school.

Admit it NHK, your slave instincts have made you jump to your masters commands even before you had the time to understand and think through so as to at least articulate your point without bumbling in all directions. If you are really sincere about advancing our education system, please do something about the aparthied urdu/english medium divide. That divide has caused more damage to our national fabric than any quranic verses did.

D for daisy cutters,

It is remarkable what a few daisy cutters in the waziristan can do to the tahmeds and ylhs of chowk. For a long time I had been posting on the k for kafir education in pakistan, how the combination of TNt and jihad has been interwoven in the pak society to create a climate of hatred for kafoirs. Jihadis from more than 20 countries have been killed in kashmir, the ones arrestde for planning attack in UK are of pak origin, pakistanis have gone all the way to the US to kill FBI agents. This type of pervasive hatred is not the work some isolated terrorist, it con flourish only when there is an atmosphere of haterd inculcated at the early childhood through the education system which I called the k for kafir education.

The tahmeds and ylhs have denied this all along, and now with a few daisy cutters in pakistan, the tahmed wats change in curriculum.
Pakistan is a case of the failure of the educated, a nation created by the collaborators have blossomed another set of collaborators, the collaborators of the jihadists, for tahmed jihad in pakistan is due to poverty, for romair it is a brilliant military strategy, to the YLH it is all illiteracy, in their own way each of them are the collaborators of the jihadists.

I have been looking into the whole AKU for the last 2 months and I must say that it would also be a good alternative for not only the Matric system, but the O level and A level stream.


M B Z Isphahani...


According to various estimates, including those by the Pakistan Christian Congress, the number of Christians in Punjab alone is close to 5 million. According to the PCC ... there are 15 million christians in Pakistan. I think a reasonable estimate would be 8 to 9 million.
The number of Hindus in Rural Sindh is close 1.5 million atleast. Apparently more than 50% population of the Sukkur Area is Hindu. There are sporadic sikh, buddhist and bahai populations all over Pakistan ... If Ahmadis are considered non-muslims as they are as per the amendment to the constitution, then there are roughly 4 to 5 million of them. Hence the total number of non-muslims in Pakistan is close 15-20 million today depending on which NGO, political organization`s figures you accept.

15 to 20 million of 150 million is not 3% as the Government figures indicate... its close to 10 to 12%...

mali: you write ``Your intellectual arguments aside, a day will come when West will realize that our text books are intolerant and bigoted towards homosexuality. ``

Until that day comes then, I suggest you cool it.

You have failed to either counter OR acknowledge the plain and simple facts I presented to you in response to the concerns you had originally expressed.

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