Jehad and The Curriculum

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malik99 #26
``You have woken up to fulfill west`s timeline.``

Only the brute force of the US can wake up people pretending to be asleep.

This is perhaps pertinent to the discussion:

The aga khan examination board (as alternative to the government backed `matric` system)


The first SSC examinations are scheduled in 2006 and HSC in 2008. Preparation of examination syllabuses will be a major activity in late Autumn, 2003, and any qualified educationalist who feels that they could contribute to our thinking in an SSC subject should get in touch with the Director AKU-EB, Prof. Thomas Christie.

Email: examination.board@aku.edu


more information: http://www.aku.edu/akueb/index.shtml

#33 by arjun_m,

``All organized religion should be banned...``


Good idea! But I think a better way would be to teach elementary psychology in schools from childhood...in a suitable way, off course.

For example homework could be to observe your thoughts when you get angry at home. Note them down and read them in class next day.

By and by, self awareness would increase to a point where the brain understands deeply its needs and responses...primarily the need for psychological security...and rejects organised religion NATURALLY.

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Without laying this kind of foundation...that is, the foundation of self understanding, simply banning religion would not yeild anything IMHO.

mohar # 31 - Unfortunately you are 100% right. On August 14th 1947 we thought we were getting independence. We did not realize that in the process we were losing our freedom. There is NOT ONE mark in our 56 years of history, which we can look back and say with pride ``Yes, that is when we acted as a free people``.

tahmed 32 - Your intellectual arguments aside, a day will come when West will realize that our text books are intolerant and bigoted towards homosexuality. They will begin asking us to introduce homosexuality as a ``way of life`` in our children`s curriculum. That very moment, the whorish elite of Pakistan led by General Whore will begin parrotting that the lesbian book written for children, ``Heather Has Two Moms``, be included as a required text book for our 6th graders.

Various

The only book that should contain religious scriptures is ``Islamiyat`.

In Zia`s Islamization days, they even tried to Islamize Mathematic - like Islamizing the simple Area question to `` If a mosque had x length and x breadth, what would be the area of the mosque?``

Then you find fairly educated suited-booted Pakistanis trying to prove Scientific theories through Scripture. One favourite is that holy book says that man was created out of a honey-like liquid. (any teenager could make this observation)

A completely illetrate person comes out far more sensible and tolerant than the educated guys who propound insane Ummah theories & West against Islam theories.

And why shouldn`t the West be against you?

Some of you have openly declared a War against it. It is West`s tolerant & compassion that it still gives you jobs, home and complete personal freedoms. Compare it with Arab and Muslim countries. Saudi Arabia does not permit a non-Muslim to enter Mecca. And if during prayer time, your shutters are not down, some one could come and beat you with stick. In Pakistan, you could be killed for blasphemy.

So let us not put all the blame on the West or India, let us come out of the caves - and keep our God within ourselves.

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mali: you write ``Your intellectual arguments aside, a day will come when West will realize that our text books are intolerant and bigoted towards homosexuality. ``

Until that day comes then, I suggest you cool it.

You have failed to either counter OR acknowledge the plain and simple facts I presented to you in response to the concerns you had originally expressed.

I have been looking into the whole AKU for the last 2 months and I must say that it would also be a good alternative for not only the Matric system, but the O level and A level stream.


M B Z Isphahani...


According to various estimates, including those by the Pakistan Christian Congress, the number of Christians in Punjab alone is close to 5 million. According to the PCC ... there are 15 million christians in Pakistan. I think a reasonable estimate would be 8 to 9 million.
The number of Hindus in Rural Sindh is close 1.5 million atleast. Apparently more than 50% population of the Sukkur Area is Hindu. There are sporadic sikh, buddhist and bahai populations all over Pakistan ... If Ahmadis are considered non-muslims as they are as per the amendment to the constitution, then there are roughly 4 to 5 million of them. Hence the total number of non-muslims in Pakistan is close 15-20 million today depending on which NGO, political organization`s figures you accept.

15 to 20 million of 150 million is not 3% as the Government figures indicate... its close to 10 to 12%...

D for daisy cutters,

It is remarkable what a few daisy cutters in the waziristan can do to the tahmeds and ylhs of chowk. For a long time I had been posting on the k for kafir education in pakistan, how the combination of TNt and jihad has been interwoven in the pak society to create a climate of hatred for kafoirs. Jihadis from more than 20 countries have been killed in kashmir, the ones arrestde for planning attack in UK are of pak origin, pakistanis have gone all the way to the US to kill FBI agents. This type of pervasive hatred is not the work some isolated terrorist, it con flourish only when there is an atmosphere of haterd inculcated at the early childhood through the education system which I called the k for kafir education.

The tahmeds and ylhs have denied this all along, and now with a few daisy cutters in pakistan, the tahmed wats change in curriculum.
Pakistan is a case of the failure of the educated, a nation created by the collaborators have blossomed another set of collaborators, the collaborators of the jihadists, for tahmed jihad in pakistan is due to poverty, for romair it is a brilliant military strategy, to the YLH it is all illiteracy, in their own way each of them are the collaborators of the jihadists.

nazarhayatkhan #38 - Your secularism has no basis, no rationale, and frankly it is not very coherent. If you truly want to be a good and solid secularist, i can suggest a few good books for you to read.

I went through Pakistani schools. I NEVER saw a question about calculating the area of mosques. Even if I did, after all i was in a country where 99% of the students are muslims, it did not raise my Islamic spirits enough to cause me or my classmates to bunk school and offer our zuhar prayers in the nearby mosque or to sign up for jihad in Kashmir.

My Physics book was the same that my teachers, and perhaps their own teachers had studied in their school days. But you don`t want to talk about the OUTDATED curriculum. Your masters` instructions are to focus only on the few relgious lines included in the text. So we move on.

Same was true with my chemistry book. My biology book had endless chapters on the respiratory and digestive system of frogs. And just to keep our teenage hormones in high gear, it also had a chapter on the sex life (reproductory system) of frogs. I never saw any mention of Islam in those chapters. And even if i did, it did not cause me and my friends to avoid standing outside our school gate and wave at the girls from a nearby all-girls school.

Admit it NHK, your slave instincts have made you jump to your masters commands even before you had the time to understand and think through so as to at least articulate your point without bumbling in all directions. If you are really sincere about advancing our education system, please do something about the aparthied urdu/english medium divide. That divide has caused more damage to our national fabric than any quranic verses did.

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hamidm is right!

...even tho` he hasn`t said it yet;)

before messing with the curriculum...provide water...to drink...to clean up...get the mindset away from 6th century istanja...(if you don`t know what it is believe me you don`t want to know)

first step towards mental liberation is physical liberation...

a pitcher of clean drinking water a day and a working toilet for every citizen!...and while we are at it down with the occupying army...

...ok enough inspiration for a cloudy sunday morning...hamidm...order the flanks to move!

...t

ps: beena you better show up here:)

Could anyone please tell me what Qur`anic verses we are discussing in the curriculum?

I used to teach Pakistan Studies, and in that subject there is a lot falsehoods and misrepresentation of facts and biased jehadi references, but there were no Qur`anic verses.

Personally, I think that the MMA is confused and that is because they cannot read simple sentences and if they did, they would realize that they are claiming to defend something, which does not even exist! I wonder how many of MMA champions of Pakistan`s educational have actually opened one of these text books and read them?

In my opinion, politics has to be removed from education in Pakistan and politicians should not decide what should be the curriculum, but qualified eductionists. I will even go one step further and suggest that education in Pakistan should made secular; it should be separated from religion and politics and the students should be taught to read everything but to think for themselves.

Minds should not be straitjacketed.

Ciao

interesting article on PMA in the washington post today. The reporter notes the interesting mix of british military traditions and quotations from the Quran at PMA. Mentions how Zia messed up the military by trying to elevate regimental maulvis (didnt work, as we know) and by promoting maulvi officers, and by subsequent quiet crackdown on the same whereby maulvi officers were quietly moved to non-sensitive posts. Progress in de-ziafication of the army is measured in number of bearded officers passing out from Kakul. Latest count, 30 beards out of 225 graduates (about 12 percent). Improvement from last year when it was 45 beards. This count was by the US military attache attending the parade, along with other military attaches from other countries. However, the ISI officer the reporter talked to refused to accept these figures, saying that only long beards counted since those were the ones the military worried about. And curriculum at PMA in fact focussed on political science, computers, military history and tactics.

So nothing much seems to have changed from the time I was growing up in the military cantonments when the focus was on professionalism, and whatever mischief zia introduced in the military is now being undone.

allah o` akbar !

malik99 and echo and all these other muslim schizophrenics are getting their shorts all in a knot for nothing ......... they have nothing to fear - islam, ignorance, and idiocy are well and alive in pakistan and there is absolutely no danger that the people will change their text books or start using deodrant any time in the near future :

ISLAMABAD, April 3: Educational institutions` syllabus must not contain anything that is contrary to tenets of Islam and the ideology of Pakistan, s at educational institutions of the country , says Prime Minister Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali.

He said this while chairing a meeting attended by federal minister for education, all provincial education ministers, federal and provincial secretaries of education, representatives of the Azad Jammu and Kashmir and the Northern Areas here at the Prime Minister`s Secretariat.

Referring to complaints regarding deletion of Quranic verses from the syllabus of 9th and 10th classes, Mr Jamali directed that these verses should be incorporated in the curriculum of 9th and 10th classes by all the provinces.

The meeting also decided that the curriculum for biology for class IX and X, as had previously been approved by the competent forum and circulated in 1995 by the Ministry of Education, in so far it relates to relevant Islamic teachings - awareness of Holy Quran`s teachings about animals, plants life and the origins of life may be retained and Quranic verses/translations as they existed in the past may be restored.

The meeting decided that curriculum for biology for class XI and XII as approved and circulated in 2000 by the Ministry of Education may be followed.