Civilisation That Isn’t

http://www.nawaiwaqtgroup.com/urdu/daily/apr-2004/04/index.htm

I don`t approve of Sheikh Yassin`s killing.

But if the Israeli government had instead incited a Jewish suicide bomber to kill him, would public reaction have been different?

Beena:

you are on a roll!...

the one common factor is absence of law...law and order that is almost defunct...or heavy handed...

neither in the guise of peace, nor honour, religion nor culture should such travesty be tolerated...

...for this to happen again and again means the animal is us is dormant no more...we do belong in cages...not outside...

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Well written article. I`ve been thinking about the same issue of late, especially after seeing the horrific picture of the mutilated Americans on the front page of The Globe and The Mail. The picture has been removed from the online edition. I am not sure as to what the reason for removal was, but am presuming is due to its horrific nature. I also came across another article which I thought I`d share. Present at the warblog.

talking about civilization -- the mutilations of dead in Somalia and in Falluja tell us that we are indeed Barbarians -- that Religion, Culture are supposed to civilize us -- it looks like the Religion and Culture have made us only a little more innovative Barbarians -- comapred to -- our cave dwelling -- utilitarian -- cannibal ancestors......

nasah,

...am very confused. Although I don`t condone dragging dead bodies through the street, don`t know why that qualifies as an absoloute measure of barbarity, yet when I see children of dead Afghans and Iraqis burried under concrete and mud thanks to a desi cutter, it`s simply collatoral damage and ``unfortunate``. Both were deliberate acts...I would argue that the Iraqi`s are simply being honest with their emotions, while the more ``civilized`` are truely the most barbaric...unable to confront the absoloute terror and barbarity they are guilty of commiting.

So, we`ve ruled out culture, religion, and the more ``advanced`` civilizations as well...which are of course capable of the same kinds of barbarity. What does that say about humanity?

At least the canibals and animals stop killing when they have their fill for the day...

Torture ‘violates’ Geneva accord

WASHINGTON, June 15 (PTI) — Torture and mutilation of six Indian soldiers in Pakistani custody before they were killed amounts to a violation of the Geneva accord and should be “dealt with accordingly,” the Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen Hugh Shelton, has said.

The General was replying to a question at a weekend press conference on reports that an ante-mortem report that bodies of the soldiers returned by the Pakistani Army showed they were tortured, their eyes gouged out and noses, ears and other parts cut off before being killed.

“If the condition (of the soldiers) is as you have described it, and if it were, in fact, done by the other side, then, of course, it is a violation of the Geneva convention, and it should be dealt with accordingly,” he said.

On the fighting in Kargil, Defence Secretary William Cohen said that the USA was concerned about the developments there and was encouraging both sides to reduce tension.

“Yes, of course, we are concerned about what’s taking place between India and Pakistan. We are encouraging both countries to try to reduce tensions now that both have demonstrated that they intend to pursue their nuclear development against, certainly, our strong advice and efforts to persuade them not to do so.

“That raises the level of danger to a much higher degree. So, the answer is we’re concerned about it. We watch it. We will try to use our best efforts to encourage them to stand down as such, from intensifying and increasing these tensions.”

When barbarity is institutionalized in Paki army- what more can we expect??


``India outraged at `mutilated soldiers`

Children in Drass peer out of their shelled home

India says the bodies of six soldiers who went missing near the Line of Control in the disputed Kashmir region last month, have been returned by Pakistan in a mutilated condition.

Military spokesmen in Delhi are refusing to give further details until full post-mortems have been carried out, but they have denounced the action as an ``outrageous violation of international conventions``.

Pakistan has not commented on the allegations. But it has said the soldiers were killed in an attack at the border.

The return of the dead soldiers comes a week after India handed over the bodies of three Pakistani soldiers. .........``

A solid article, Beena. You can be logical and at the same time passionate about some very important issues.

now is the turn of the Born Again Bush Barbarians to top the brabarity of Iraqi dead draggers....

... what it tells the world that the born-again Christianity and its culture is thousand times more innovative than Islam and its unculture -- in its barbarity against Iraqi men women and children.... by remote control

16 Iraqi CHILDREN murdered while asleep by the brave US Apache Helicoptors of Bush`s United States -- `unknowingly`.....

three cheers for the great AMERICAN CONSCIENCE -- for lack of it -- in full play ..... in dazzling Red & Blue......

I would vote for a even a Democratic DOG -- against the monstrosity called George Bush -- any day and any time of the day........

but NOT for John Kerry the Blunder Dog -- if he says that George Bush should not hand over the sovereignty on June third because of Bush`s created chaos and mayhem in Iraq.....

Kerry must spell it out HOW FAST our Murdering Boys are coming home -- to the9ir mothers, wives and their children -- from their Murderous Mission of Mudering Iraqi Children -- otherwise 10 votes from my family are going to Nader the Aplogist for an Invader guy.......and the unworthy Partners-In-Crime the jelly-spine Democrats can GO TO HELL......

Musharraf is barbarian. Bush is barbarian. Blair is Barbarian--anyone who is a goraagoochaater or lover of the so-called western-values IS a barbarian.

Any humanbeing, whether muslim or non-muslim who has a seething hate and anger against the above barbarians is civilised, modern, educated, and a lover of mankind.

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If you are not an illiterate Paki, you should have no problem in reading the following:

Musharraf the were-wolf in wolf`s clothing: The unmuslim .

what RIGHT -- Bush the Mongoloid Barbarian has to destroy the city of Fallujah -- acting like those Nazi Stormtroopers who destroyed Warsaw --

because of the Rsistance? --

Resistance is the birht-right of any invaded occupied country -- if there was no Resistance to the Nazi Blitzkrieg-- all of Europe would have been `United` under the Swastika today --

who gave the mandate to this Murderous Moron from Texas to invade and occupy a foreign sovereign country and then wreak havoc on the populace -- because it is resisting the occupation.......?

and here we are busy asking the White House War Crows -- why that Texas Trash failed to percieve 9/11 .....

.. the QUESTION should be why this Criminal Administration is committing such nazi atrocities in Fallujah, Najaf, Karbala and Baghdad .... to create many MORE 9/11s of the future....

my country stands today on the verge of -- not only political, and financial bankruptcy -- but toal MORAL Bankruptcy...... as well..

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