How real is Musharraf’s real democracy?

Democracy is the biggest practical joke ever deviced. Don`t get me wrong. I hate dictators like mr. musharaf who actually are the agents of an evil heirarchy.

Democracy is being yelled everywhere in media, in books etc for so long, that we practically believe that it is a system that is in our favor and it is our salvation:)

Well, look at it. America the only super power (so-called) is not a democracy at all. Its a republic. Anyway, democracy is a 2 party system. Both of them are controlled by the hidden King-pins or King-makers. They choose corrupt members of the society and bring them on a show off. They invest literally billions of Dollars to make an image of so-called candidates. It doesn`t matter if anyone ever knew them before. Media will make sure to make a Jesus out of anyone. They are all rich, spending millions of their own to double or tripple the wealth, at the same time, serving the King makers.

Democracy is the most corrupt system ever deviced for mass consumption.

Bush, daddy bush, grand daddy bush all belonged to an elite family. All members of Yale`s ``Skulls & Bones`` satanic society. Kerry was their cousin. Also a ``Bonesman``. Both were selected for a stage show called elections. Where the heck is your choice?

You expect democracy from Mr. Musharraf who himself came from back-door?
:) You expect any good from Mr. Short-Cut Aziz who was selected to be your PM?
Did you selected him?
Or did someone who`s actually pulling the strings did so?
If it is some hidden hand, democracy is an out right lie.

In India, you`ve 2 party system. In UK you have 2 party system. In USA you have 2 party system. Everywhere its the same. The selected individuals serve their masters who selected them in the first place. They never came by yr selection so they never work for you. You only have an illusion of it.


QUOTE FROM PROTOCOLS OF ZION

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``Political freedom is an idea but not a fact. This idea one must know how to apply whenever it appears necessary with this bait of an idea to attract the masses of the people to one`s party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority. This task is rendered easier of the opponent has himself been infected with the idea of freedom, SO-CALLED LIBERALISM, and, for the sake of an idea, is willing to yield some of his power. It is precisely here that the triumph of our theory appears; the slackened reins of government are immediately, by the law of life, caught up and gathered together by a new hand, because the blind might of the nation cannot for one single day exist without guidance, and the new authority merely fits into the place of the old already weakened by liberalism.``


``IN ORDER TO PUT PUBLIC OPINION INTO OUR HANDS WE MUST BRING IT INTO A STATE OF BEWILDERMENT BY GIVING EXPRESSION FROM ALL SIDES TO SO MANY CONTRADICTORY OPINIONS AND FOR SUCH LENGTH OF TIME AS WILL SUFFICE TO MAKE THE ``GOYIM`` LOSE THEIR HEADS IN THE LABYRINTH AND COME TO SEE THAT THE BEST THING IS TO HAVE NO OPINION OF ANY KIND IN MATTERS POLITICAL, which it is not given to the public to understand, because they are understood only by him who guides the public. This is the first secret.``


``Methods of organization like these, imperceptible to the public eye but absolutely sure, are the best calculated to succeed in bringing the attention and the confidence of the public to the side of our government. Thanks to such methods we shall be in a position as from time to time may be required, to excite or to tranquilize the public mind on political questions, to persuade or to confuse, printing now truth, now lies, facts or their contradictions, according as they may be well or ill received, always very cautiously feeling our ground before stepping upon it .... WE SHALL HAVE A SURE TRIUMPH OVER OUR OPPONENTS SINCE THEY WILL NOT HAVE AT THEIR DISPOSITION ORGANS OF THE PRESS IN WHICH THEY CAN GIVE FULL AND FINAL EXPRESSION TO THEIR VIEWS owing to the aforesaid methods of dealing with the press. We shall not even need to refute them except very superficially.``


The constitution scales of these days will shortly break down, for we have established them with a certain lack of accurate balance in order that they may oscillate incessantly until they wear through the pivot on which they turn. The GOYIM are under the impression that they have welded them sufficiently strong and they have all along kept on expecting that the scales would come into equilibrium. But the pivots - the kings on their thrones - are hemmed in by their representatives, who play the fool, distraught with their own uncontrolled and irresponsible power. This power they owe to the terror which has been breathed into the palaces. As they have no means of getting at their people, into their very midst, the kings on their thrones are no longer able to come to terms with them and so strengthen themselves against seekers after power. We have made a gulf between the far-seeing Sovereign Power and the blind force of the people so that both have lost all meaning, for like the blind man and his stick, both are powerless apart.

mohar #174 Actually, you are wrong. A human is an animal.

I must admit though that just as a dog`s brain is not equipped to appreciate the works of Shakespeare, so my brain is quite incapable of appreciating the wit and wisdom of Mohar. And that explains why I find your posts to be meaningless.

#173 by tahmed32

Beeeeep .... Wrong again .... I don`t consider you(or your fellow-travellers) an ``animal`` in true sense of the word. The word was used to mean a ``creature`` ..... a sarcasm-tinged way of describing Paki Elite crowd. The intent was to point out the strange ways the your mind works.

So take it easy - mian. You are NOT an ``animal`` per se. You are human - only that you got less brain material than usual. And use even less of it. :))))))

mohar #172 When I used the word ``animal``, I realized that you would pick on that in the same sh!itty way your kind pick on everything else. I nevertheless left the word in to see for myself that the fish would bite. And sure enough, in due course, you did. Morons like you are so bloody predictable!! Chowk wouldnt be any fun without your kind. Ha! Ha!

#171 by tahmed32
//...``Paki Elites``, rest assured that this particular animal exists in your mind only..//

This confirms the following common attributes of this ``animal``:

Attribute 1: Self-Denial - This animal, when pushed to a corner, denies it ever exists and tries to pull off a vanishing act. Tries hard to blend in to the rest of ``140 million or so individual people``.

Attribute 2: Dilute and Deflect - ``we are just like everybody else. Some of us use our brains and some others don`t. So don`t blame us - even if we created the largest terrorist breeding machine ever known - which is creating havoc all over the world. It is not our fault.``

mohar #168 Study my posts diligently, in that case. As for ``Paki Elites``, rest assured that this particular animal exists in your mind only. Pakis are 140 million or so individual people, not a bunch of stereotypes. Some use their brains, some dont. Like individuals everywhere else. Once you understand that, you will be on your way to becoming a normal human being, and not a BMIC (Brainwashed Man from India on Chowk).

Quoting the (in)famous Baha Men : ``Who let the dogs out ? Who Who Who?``

re: arjun_m # 160

I have no disagreements, with what you have said in your last post.

I agree that Pakistan was the historically responsible for changing the status quo. History and international law bears out that agrument. Indian reaction during the Kargil crisis in 1999 showed, from what I remember, that India considered it as a violation of its international border and its mantra of ``cross-border terrorism`` bespeaks of an acceptance of the LoC as a border. Your agrument that Indians care more about Indian Kashmir than Pakistani Kashmir also goes to prove that India considers LoC as an international border.

Incidently, the recent India-Pakistan talks on a bus service between the two Kashmirs is held up on this very issue. Pakistan wants the travel under UN documents and India wants the travel under Indian and Pakistani passports. Pakistan favors the UN documentation process because that maintains the reasoning that LoC is not an international border and if it agrees to the Indian logic, then it will have to accept the fait accompli of the LoC as an international border.

I think that AVB was right to dismiss Musharraf`s statement, because it was designed for the domestic lobby in Pakistan. In this sense, what Pakistan`s foreign minister is saying is at variance with Musharraf. However, there has been a marked departure from Pakistan`s traditional position. The overall reaction of the Musharraf statement on questioning the usefulness of the UN resolutions has been to destroy Kashmir and UN resolutions as a taboo subject and now, there is debate in Pakistan to settle Kashmir outside of UN resolutions.

As to the issue of infilteration and ending it, it will happen once India finishes constructing its fence along the LoC. The fence will solve a lot of migraines on both sides of the LoC. :)

The four proposals/suggestions you gave are being all being considered. In 50 years, I hope this region will be criss-crossed by oil pipelines and power grids harnessing the full potential of the region. Economics have to be given the utmost importance as CBMs, because once the economy replaces politics, it will be much easy to solve the problem. In 50 years, there might be no need to re-draw the LoC as a border, because it will cease to matter.

Ciao

tahmed

Yep - I am ``loyal`` to you alright - because you are my favorite b!!atch. Ha Ha !
[ sorry man - just couldn`t resist ]

But seriously - you are a fascinating person. You give us a rare glimpse into minds of Paki Elites, a species unique unto themselves. You help me understand and theorize some of the baffling aspects of paki mentality. It has been a real eye-opener, so to say, after interacting with you.

So Thanks you.

mohar: My compliments to you on being such a loyal reader of my posts. Such dedication is all the more remarkable after your failure to engage me in your moronic Indo-Pakistan arguments on chowk.

Ha! Ha!

Ref: #162

Arjun dude - you seem to have lighted a mighty fire under tahmed`s tail - the old guy is sh!!ting all over the place.

#164
``... it is somewhat surprising how prevalent ideologues and closed minds seem to be in the subcontinent...``

``Main roun ya hasun, yaaron karun main kya karoon``
(Should I laugh or should I cry,
Friends, I dont know what to do)

-Shah Rukh Khan, circa 1994

#158 by Sameem

``Alenxaderian swing of the blade``: Well ... if words were horses, even pakis would ride :)
Actually - why don`t you just swing a razor blade and shave a beard or two - pakistan has just too many people with full beards and no brains.

That could be more within your limited capabilities. ``Alenxaderian swing of the blade`` is just big words from folks who just got whacked ragtag bunch of tribals ... lost a bunch of soldiers .... and after the usual bravado about capturing ``high-value`` targets, have nothing to show in return. But then that fits perfectly with historical pattern of achievements, or lack thereof, on part of pakistanis.

arjun #153 True to your filthy upbringing where lying and cheating is acceptable and having been exposed for being what you are by your own posts, you respond in frustration by referring to me as queer. This is not the first time you have tried to malign a poster by implying that he is a homosexual. This preoccupation with homosexuality on your part speaks for itself with your own filthy mindset and your bent of mind.

So, in addition to being a scumbag who has spent the past couple of years on chowk mocking Pakistanis who were deported from the US, you have now proven yourself a lier as well. If you wish to disprove this, I challenge you to back your attempts to malign me by use of the word queer by cutting and posting anything I have written on chowk to back this filth that you write on chowk.

#160 by arjun_m
//...1. Stop all infiltration. ///

Fat chance of this happening. Thousands of madarasssas-graduates are getting into ``job market`` per year - where would they go? Then there are all the houries and gillmans to consider - what would they do?

Dude - you are talking about a lot of ``unemployment`` here and here-after.

ahmedzai #152 Yes, it is unfortunate that intelligent debate does not seem to last too long on chowk, and it is somewhat surprising how prevalent ideologues and closed minds seem to be in the subcontinent.

On tourism: There is indeed a lot of tourist potential in the northern areas of Pakistan, as well as in other parts. This is both in terms of natural beauty as well as historical significance. There is a lot of undeveloped potential - there are battlefield parks that remain to be developed all over Pakistan, reflecting ancient battles to the 19th century battles of the British raj; and ancient buildings that remain to be dug up, as in Harappa; and recreation sites (e.g. vacation cabins) to be developed around lakes and across mountains. All this potential lies largely undeveloped. No doubt all this will happen in due course, and thus create job and profit making opportunities for the local population. And no doubt we dont need ideologues of any kind (the mullah kind, or the anti-west kind) for the tourism industry to develop in Pakistan. Only peaceful conditions and incentives given for investments in tourism.