Rajeeb Satyal April 12, 2004
#9 Posted by nooralain on April 13, 2004 1:27:02 pm
while communism or marxism once again is being treated as the scourge of humankind. . .i agree that NGO`s are not the best `solutions` or prescriptions for aids in healing the country. there have been those NGO`s who just end up competing against each other rather than focusing on the issues. . .and there are NGO`s who want to presume to tell the `natives` what is good for them rather than allowing them to be engaged in the amelioration of their societies. is it any wonder that NGO`s are then seen in such a negative light?
it seems that the `red scare` will be revived time and time again, or replaced with other scares and those combatting such scares aren`t to be scary in the least bit but saviors of the universe.
signed
she who does not possess the discreet charm of the bourgeoisie
it seems that the `red scare` will be revived time and time again, or replaced with other scares and those combatting such scares aren`t to be scary in the least bit but saviors of the universe.
signed
she who does not possess the discreet charm of the bourgeoisie
#8 Posted by baaghiraja on April 13, 2004 11:52:49 am
Stuka,
Not (all) victems are upper-class and (some) are from the peasentry. Agreed. But almost ALL members of the Nepali guirilla outfit are from the peasntery and the urban underclasses. However, most of their critics remain to be the upper classes and the conservative bourgouise.
And by the way, I usually sip cheap Pakistani beer and smoke inexpensive Afghan hashish while writing. Thanks for presuming things more upper status than this, though. ;)
NfP
Not (all) victems are upper-class and (some) are from the peasentry. Agreed. But almost ALL members of the Nepali guirilla outfit are from the peasntery and the urban underclasses. However, most of their critics remain to be the upper classes and the conservative bourgouise.
And by the way, I usually sip cheap Pakistani beer and smoke inexpensive Afghan hashish while writing. Thanks for presuming things more upper status than this, though. ;)
NfP
#7 Posted by baaghiraja on April 13, 2004 11:52:49 am
jang,
though I have absolutely NO plans to retire off to Canada or Europe, I do plan to vist Nepal (in great hope).
Anyway, the ``ORIGENAL`` revolution that you speak of never sounded so origenal to me. I`ve always admired revolutions in China (1949) and Cuba (1959) more.
And my excitement in the context of Nepal is also more to do with the prospect of witnessing the possible fall of a monarchy. That`s why, historically speaking, the third revolution that I admire is the 1979 Iranian revolution. So let`s not see me waving the red flag only, and for just the sake of it. It`ll be too presumtuious an assumption.
though I have absolutely NO plans to retire off to Canada or Europe, I do plan to vist Nepal (in great hope).
Anyway, the ``ORIGENAL`` revolution that you speak of never sounded so origenal to me. I`ve always admired revolutions in China (1949) and Cuba (1959) more.
And my excitement in the context of Nepal is also more to do with the prospect of witnessing the possible fall of a monarchy. That`s why, historically speaking, the third revolution that I admire is the 1979 Iranian revolution. So let`s not see me waving the red flag only, and for just the sake of it. It`ll be too presumtuious an assumption.
#6 Posted by jang on April 13, 2004 11:16:30 am
stuka (and bhagi)
communist have brought untold misery to masses in the 20-th century, and still seems to have adherents, especially from the latte-sipping affluent classes.
I invite the bolsheviks to read about Emma Goldman and her experience with the ORIGINAL revolution.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/8522/emma_eng.html
``Even being first a supporter of the Bolshevik Revolution, she became fast disillusioned with the oppression of free speech and the party rule. Her, in 1923 published book ``My Disillusionment with Russia`` was one of the first real critiques of the Soviet System. She left Russia and spent the rest of her life in Canada and Europe``
communist have brought untold misery to masses in the 20-th century, and still seems to have adherents, especially from the latte-sipping affluent classes.
I invite the bolsheviks to read about Emma Goldman and her experience with the ORIGINAL revolution.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/8522/emma_eng.html
``Even being first a supporter of the Bolshevik Revolution, she became fast disillusioned with the oppression of free speech and the party rule. Her, in 1923 published book ``My Disillusionment with Russia`` was one of the first real critiques of the Soviet System. She left Russia and spent the rest of her life in Canada and Europe``
#5 Posted by stuka on April 13, 2004 10:26:40 am
`` And why the human right aspect, can not go for preventive strategies to maintain and take care of root of human rights. ``
Good point. Are you based in Kathmandu?
Good point. Are you based in Kathmandu?
#4 Posted by rajeeb on April 13, 2004 10:13:17 am
Why human right organizations have to show up only when the human right situation is already so worse that insurgencies have already taken over. And why the human right aspect, can not go for preventive strategies to maintain and take care of root of human rights.
There can not or should not be any Human Right without creatng a sense of human responsibies/duties in individual human. Meaning Human Right can not be so cheaply available, loosely defined so it creates OR SUPPORT terrorism in the name of human right, or wait till people resort to terrorism due to extreme poverty. The definition, and scope of human right must be redefined to attach it with sense of responsiblity, and also broaden to cover the day to day human needs including the primal needs.
The skills and technical know how of Human Right Organizatons needs to be improved to act effectively and to play some positive role in the society. Such skill includes negotiation, mediation and other manangerail tools also.
Finally, the human right organizations can be filled up with people with strong political bias,or from any political parties as in Nepal. It is the most obvious requirement to keep the Human Right Organization unbiassed and effective.
Rajeeb Satyal, the author
There can not or should not be any Human Right without creatng a sense of human responsibies/duties in individual human. Meaning Human Right can not be so cheaply available, loosely defined so it creates OR SUPPORT terrorism in the name of human right, or wait till people resort to terrorism due to extreme poverty. The definition, and scope of human right must be redefined to attach it with sense of responsiblity, and also broaden to cover the day to day human needs including the primal needs.
The skills and technical know how of Human Right Organizatons needs to be improved to act effectively and to play some positive role in the society. Such skill includes negotiation, mediation and other manangerail tools also.
Finally, the human right organizations can be filled up with people with strong political bias,or from any political parties as in Nepal. It is the most obvious requirement to keep the Human Right Organization unbiassed and effective.
Rajeeb Satyal, the author
#3 Posted by stuka on April 13, 2004 9:48:06 am
There will ne Maoist success in Nepal. India will support the people of Nepal against these terrorists. The India and the US are already doing so. These HR organizations are usually moles for terror groups. At least that is the case in Nepal where none of the HR groups are home grown and so they do not even take into account the massive suffering the Maosists have inflicted on the nepali people.
Posters like Baaghiraaja sipping latte and typing out Maobadi literature should spend a week in Bihar or Nepal where these ultra left groups have spread terror. The victims are not upper class. It is the peasentary itself.
Posters like Baaghiraaja sipping latte and typing out Maobadi literature should spend a week in Bihar or Nepal where these ultra left groups have spread terror. The victims are not upper class. It is the peasentary itself.
#2 Posted by baaghiraja on April 12, 2004 12:38:59 pm
Send in the NGOs! *shakes head*
It`s a conflict of power, politics and ideology. In such conflicts, one either takes sides or get`s the f##k out.
Nepal is not crumbling. It`s on the brink of something big. And, at least to me, a Maoist revolution in the 21st Century would be an exciting happening. So let history be made and surprize us again. Better than waiting for the next Nike ``revolution.``
rgds,
NfP
It`s a conflict of power, politics and ideology. In such conflicts, one either takes sides or get`s the f##k out.
Nepal is not crumbling. It`s on the brink of something big. And, at least to me, a Maoist revolution in the 21st Century would be an exciting happening. So let history be made and surprize us again. Better than waiting for the next Nike ``revolution.``
rgds,
NfP
#1 Posted by kaurasach on April 12, 2004 8:05:50 am
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