The World Is BUT are We Ready for a New Pakistan?

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arjun at # 72:

You have proved yourself a born jhoota once again. Show me my post where I said that MS is investing US$ 7 bn in Pakistan.

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ahmadzai:

You still have not answered WHY YOU think Pakistan is or is not a Banana Republic. Clearly it is according to every varying context I`ve heard of.

If it is a Banana Republic, then it`s vital to know what the foreign masters really think. Because long-term economi success and stability- the basis for your support- no longer depends on internal forces (they are all destoryed) but on external forces.

Again and again I ask you who draw comparisons with Malaysia, Singapore, Korea etc. They had America fully backing them. There was none of this `Is Malaysia a friend or an enemy?` question consistently asked in quarters of Big B in the manner its being asked of Pakistan.

So if it is a Banana Republic, and the house of Fauj has no foundation on the ground but is being propped up from the outside, then it makes no sense to `let the faujiz do what they want and see what happens`. If one is outside Pakistan, it makes more sense to not do anything rather than support then aid the masters by supporting the puppets of the Banana Republic.

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Rozaiba at # 62:

OK although I don`t think Pakistan is a banana republic, even if we assume it is then suggest what shall we do?

1. Ask 140 million people to commit suicide.

or

2. Ask Pakistanis to give up independence and re-merge with India. If Indians refuse to re-absorb citizens of banana republic, which from all indications it appears that they will, then ask Talibans to take over. If this is not aceptable then at least let Pakhtoons go for Pakhtoonistan, Baloch for an independent Balochistan and so on and so forth.

or

3. Let the current Government work for some time and let us see if the situation becomes better. If not, let us try to vote it out in the next elections.

or

4. The situation is so bad that we should take to streets, start an agitation, and throw out this Government through a popular rebellion.

or

5. Any other approach that you suggest may work better.

``Chowk has a number of intelligence people from both sides. ``

Phew.. for a moment i thought chowk has intelligent people from both sides.scary.. Got to read carefully.

The News today carried the following in its issue of today. Let us monitor coming of this investment in banana republic:

Sikh community to invest $1b in Pakistan

By Aslam Khan

DARBAR SAHIB KARTARPUR, Narowal:- Pakistan will receive a hefty $1 billion foreign direct investment from the World Sikh community. This was announced by the sikh leaders, who had gathered here from around the globe, to celebrate 500th birthday of the second Sikh guru — Guru Angad Dev.

The function was held at Darbar Sahib Kartarpur, located just three kilometres from the Pakistan-India International border in Shakargarh tehsil of Narowal district. The village Kartarpur was founded by Baba Guru Nanik Dev, where he practised sikh religion for 17 years before he passed away. He announced the completion of sikh religion here.

The speakers at the function, held to celebrate 500 years of the second Sikh guru — Guru Angad Dev, who formally completed the language of Gurmakhi script. Dr Pritpal Singh, coordinator of American Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee, unveiled the software and standardised keyboard of the Gurmakhi script. The sikh leaders also announced to establish a state-of-the-art medical college at Nankana Sahib in Sheikhupura.

ironman: you write ``Hey Tahmad, you`re a body builder of sorts. Whats the difference between power lifting and body-building?``

I dont know ironman. Enlighten me, sil vous plait.

PS: I never thought of myself as a body builder (with bulging muscles like the Michelin Man). I just try to stay fit by going to the gym regularly, that`s all.

Romair/Ahmadzai/HE,

Look at these chowk profiles:

(HisExcellency)

I work with computers, play with Design documents, and dabble in political science & history for fun. An extrovert by nature, I find it hard to resist tennis, white-water rafting and skiing on the weekends.

(Ahmadzai)

I hail from a small town near Peshawar, NWFP, although my origin lies in a neighboring country. Although I have worked internationally, people tell me that I retain my strong rustic background jealously. In the spirit of my forefathers, my family and I are constantly on the move, discovering places, meeting people, admiring nature, studying religions. And we keep planning to move yet again.

How difficult is it to tell they`re the same person...(well, if you`re Tahmad, apparently its very difficult!)

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I remember reading a DIFFERENT profile for HisExcellency just a little while ago...something about enjoying debating for hours and being a `system integrator` in philly !

Well, the debator parts fits the profile of Dr. Shirin Mazari aka Romair...and the sudden removal of that after the `expose` by Ralphie a little while ago....is a real `chor ki dadhi mein tinka`!!!

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But really Romair/Ahmadzai, why do I care what you do on chowk??? Your 4000 (total) posts on chowk show that you are dedicated...if nothing else. But the net result of all this effort is a big zero. No Indian on chowk has fallen for your line. So...who cares...?

Obviously you`ve convinced someone in pakistan you`re doing a magnificiant job on chowk. I`ve no intention of maro-ing laat on your paet. Everyone needs a job...

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About ironman, I was a big fan of marvel comics and ironman was my favorite. No freak super powers. Just brain power.

Also (you may not know this, being a woman), body builders are often called ironmen (lifting iron weights). I did my share of power lifting. Alas all thats left of those good old days are some medals and press cuttings.

Hey Tahmad, you`re a body builder of sorts. Whats the difference between power lifting and body-building?

Cowasjee is a person, who has known everyone from Jinnah to Musharraf. His article seems to support my thesis that Pakistan has always had dictators - be the military or elected:

``Selective amnesia


By Ardeshir Cowasjee

Those loyal citizens now jumping up and down in zealous indignation at the 17th Amendment to the sacrosanct Constitution of Pakistan and at the foisting upon it of the NSC act, have short memories, extremely short memories. The `violation` of this much-mangled document is nothing new.

The maker of the 1973 Constitution, pseudo democrat president Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, had the singular honour of being the first civilian martial law administrator the world has known. In April 1973 his legislators accepted his Constitution by consensus and it was promulgated at noon on August 14, 1973, a historic date in the history of the unfortunate Republic of Pakistan.

Four hours later, at 1600 hours, as prime minister, Bhutto had his supine hand-picked president, Fazal Elahi Chaudhary, put his signature to a presidential order proclamating ``that the right to move any court for the enforcement of such of the fundamental rights conferred by Chapter I of Part II of the Constitution as may be specified in the order, and any proceeding in any court which is for the enforcement, or involves the determination of any question as to the infringement of the rights so specified shall remain suspended for the period during which the proclamation is in force.``

Twenty-one articles (8 to 28) of the Constitution guaranteed us our fundamental rights. The presidential order effectively deprived the people of ten of these major fundamental rights within four hours of their having been guaranteed. Was this not a violation? Was it not premeditated fraud, duping and deceiving both legislators and people? And what was his purpose? To arrest, the next day, a number of his political opponents and jail them on trumped up charges, and they remained incarcerated until Mard-e-Momeen Mard-e-Haq General Ziaul Haq assumed sole charge of the Islamic Republic.

Bhutto and his acolytes remained in power for some 2000 days during which his Constitution was amended seven times......(http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/cowas.htm

#58

no, i am not arjun`s advocate, though i agree with a minute proportion of his remarks NOT levelled against `pakis`. . .i am an advocate for those who are generally slighted as `pakis` as well as those generally slighted as pissdrinkers. go figure. i am an equal-opportunity advocate. if this bothers you, then kudos to you as well.

ahmadzai:

Poverty-alleviation will remain a slow process? Hell, with 18 million MORE under the poverty line, what kind of alleviation is going on?

On Banana Republic: I provided you with a definition of what a Banana Republic is. Do you know of a different definition of a Banana Republic?? Maybe then I could understand WHY the below statement and question to you was `preposterous`.

What do you call a country where the population is falling below the povery line by the millions and where no one is willing to invest and that has absolutely no institutions thereby allowing outside powers to manipulate it at will? That`s right. A BANANA REPUBLIC.

Do you think Pakistan is a Banana Republic? If not, why not?

Yes, though PPP did get the most votes, Musharaf`s total chamchaaz got more. But you failed to defend the accusation people like Imran Khan have made about Musharaf`s Chamchaaz - Musharaf who you hold to be clean, non-corrupt and straigtforward: namely, that Musharaf`s PML-Q chamchaaz are criminals and are only supporting him to save their asces.

Zia was said to be non-corrupt. Ayub was also non-corrupt. So is Musharaf. Musharaf closely resembles Ayub. However, unfortunately, Ayub was far more capable than Musharaf ever will be. And knowing Ayub`s record, that is not saying very much.

Romair/His Excellency:

I think if Pakistan emulates China in terms of `controled Government` stability, we will be better off than the latter, because of:

1. Democracy, no matter in what form, we are better than China and most of Islamic world.

2. Freedom of expression: The media is almost ``Mather-Piddar Awzaad``.

3. Human Rights: Pakistan under President Musharraf is better placed to address and resolve contentious issues.

As regards people stooping down to making personal attacks on Romair, I would not care if I were you.

Rozaiba at # 41:

Thank you and I also enjoy reading posts from you who I consider to be an staunch opposition in the Chowk`s parliament and therefore, keep me busy in confirming from various sources my basis of support for President Musharraf/PM Jamali Team.

Click here to read poll position in last elections. ``The PML (Q) received 7.33 million votes; or 24.81% of the votes polled. The PPP however, had 7.39 million votes; or 25.01% of the total votes polled``. All parties supporting President Musharraf got 35% votes (NDA 3%, MQM 8% plus independents who later joined PML Q). Thus Musharraf supporters won more seats and more votes compared to PPP.

On Poverty:

You are aware that Pakistan was hit by poverty due mainly to a 5 year drought that hit us. The drought hit our agrarian society. Many thousands of people moved into the cities, thereby putting pressure on our resources there. Also, Pakistan was supporting the economy of Afghanistan`s Pakhtoon areas. Poverty alleviation will remain a slow process. No matter how hard we try to boom the economy, the benefits will cascade downwards after a certain lag.

On banana republic:

This would be a shock statement to hear from an American (?) of Pakistani origin (?). This would be an OK statement to come out from the likes of fundoo passive gays like arjuns, jays, mohars, rshridhars, saxenas, etc., but not from you.

Well, from all indications Pakistan is not a banana republic. This is such a preposterous statement that I don`t even want to indulge in a useless debate here.

However, I have absolutely no desire to convince you, because I know where you are coming from. I would only challenge myself on your assertions where I feel the need for myself to do so. Opposition is always good. It keeps you on your toes looking for reasons for your own conviction.

ironman at # 44:

``Same level of english proficiency, same paragraph structure, same tone...even naqshbandi could tell these are teh same person! ``

This is absolutely brilliant.

Just out of curiosity now, your name, how did you get this? Did your folks name you as such on the basis of the matter present in your head or does it allude to a special bio-engineering practice purely invented by and prevalent in your family alone whereby the males use an iron rod instead of, well, the whole world knows what, to impregnate women to get men made of iron?