The Nuclear Father

#21 by ironman

“You must think me dumb, paki!”

Yes! I do!

“If you want to know me so badly,”

Why would I wanna know some dumb, BS meister?

“Indian contributors from 1985 to 1998”

No contribution since 1998! Go figure!

#20 by Soulat,

``Wanna prove your credentials…write your name here and we will know right away!``

You must think me dumb, paki!

I can offer to meet you personally...if you`re on the east coast.

Soulat,

If you want to know me so badly, how about doing some work?!

Look up these journals and make a list of Indian contributors from 1985 to 1998. Put that list on chowk and I`ll tell you who I am.

In the process you`ll discover the truth about what I wrote earlier...not one SINGLE paper from pakistan.

#16 by ironman

“You may not have heard of these international journals (AIAA, JPP, JSR, JAE). To get a paper published in these is an achievemnet of sorts for a scientist. I have 6 papers in them.”

BS is in the middle of ironBSman. You may be a zombie from Romania for all I care. Was that 6 ream of paper in your middle? Wanna prove your credentials…write your name here and we will know right away! Einstein!

#18 by r.a.janjua,

``i agree with you - i have heard that abdus salam was originally from tamil nadu - the rest of these jokers got everything from china. pakistanis are incapbale of pursuing scientific disciplines``


No, no janjua...you mistake me. Off course you guys developed the bomb yourself.

Nawaz actually ate a lot that day (celebrating the bomb and what not). And he was to make a big speech before the world press when he got that bloated feeling and was about to break wind when the alert chinese guy slipped him a quick alka-seltzer. And pakistan`s izzat was saved!

(The world could`nt possibly have borne a 7th explosion that day.)

Boy! was nawaz ever thankful to the chink!

In fact he commanded that all pakistani manuals be translated to chinese...!

``When an Indian physicist says that pakistan cannot possibly have developed the bomb, I know where he`s coming from.``

i agree with you - i have heard that abdus salam was originally from tamil nadu - the rest of these jokers got everything from china. pakistanis are incapbale of pursuing scientific disciplines.

Ref irfanhamid #14

[If the US had to import expertise to make its nuclear bomb, then I`m not the least bit perturbed if Pakistan did so as well. ........consider the fact that the chief of the Manhattan project (which they called the project to make the bomb) was Oppenheimer, a German scientist....]

Actually, Robert Oppenheimer was NOT German but 100% American, born in New York City.

However, the Hindu-Yahuda connection does stretch back to Oppenheimer and the first atom bomb.

When the first bomb was tested at Alamogordo in the New Mexico desert, the atomic fire recalled to Oppenheimer the verse from the Bhagavad Gita: if a thousand suns were to burst forth upon the sky, that would still not equal the effulgence of the Lord.

His next thought was also from the Gita: ``I am become Death, the shatterer of the world``.

PS. The history of the development of the first atom bomb is documented in the book ``Brighter than a Thousand Suns``.

#14 by irfanhamid,

``If the US had to import expertise to make its nuclear bomb...``

Irfan, This is what we have come to love with you pakis...and one of the reasons we indians come to chowk! I`m too stunned to reply. Einstein emigrated to america so its ok for pakistan to get ready-made bombs from china!!!

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But never mind all that. You obviously think highly of your scientists...which is not a problem for me. The issue is how good ARE they ACTUALLY.

To take my field, aerospace, as an example. You may not have heard of these international journals (AIAA, JPP, JSR, JAE). To get a paper published in these is an achievemnet of sorts for a scientist. I have 6 papers in them. During my years of scouring these journals...I did not come across a SINGLE paper from pakistan...not one frikkin one. I remember seeing a few from even egypt.

Now on the other board rsridhar said that in the joint chinese-paki fighter, paki contribution may be only the paint. From my experience I know this is probably close to the truth. Expertise of this kind is clearly visible.

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When an Indian physicist says that pakistan cannot possibly have developed the bomb, I know where he`s coming from.

Ironman #13:

And from the tone of your reply can I gather that EVERYTHING was imported?

If the US had to import expertise to make its nuclear bomb, then I`m not the least bit perturbed if Pakistan did so as well. And before all of the US`s illegitimate children that frequently inhabit chowk bombard my naïveté, consider the fact that the chief of the Manhattan project (which they called the project to make the bomb) was Oppenheimer, a German scientist, the man who encouraged the US president to go ahead with the project was none other than Einstein (also a German immigrant). Another leading man in Manhattan (again the project, not the famous island with the recently reduced skyline) was Enrico Fermi, an Italian physicist, the particle accelerator at Batavia, Illinois bears his name: ``Fermilab``. The list of illustrious names is long and distinguished (most of them immigrants to the US).

When it`s all over and the dust settles, only the ends matter, not the means. The simple, undeniable fact of the matter is that Pakistan has the nukes. How it got them is a moot point. For all I care they could have come gift-wrapped with the Chinese flag on top, that won`t make them any less lethal when they are screaming earthward at six times the speed of sound. They will still feel like hellfire and brimstone. The sandstorm from their shockwave will still shear off skin and pulverize bone. The unlucky ones who are not close to the blast will still be able to see their own skin melt off with heat and radiation, right upto the moment when their retinal fluid boils and their eyeballs explode.

So my friend, like a singer once said: ``In the end, it doesn`t even matter``

Regards,
Irfan Hamid.

Ref ironman #13

[Irfan,

Care to make a wild guess why NawazSarif thanked the chinese so very very profusely!?

(According to the author EVERYTHING was done indigenously ;) ]

Well, according to the US, the blueprints that they got out of Libya -- which were sold to Libya by Pakistan -- had Chinese writings all over the place!

Dear Mansoor
Great Article. I just had a few general questions about Pakistan`s nuclear ability and that of other countries
1. Does Pakistan still need to import any technology/raw material for its nuclear program. Can the entire creation/maintenance process be achieved indigenously
2. Does the same hold true for India and Israel?
3. Where did India and Israel get hold of their materials and technology for their nuclear programs?

I hope you have time to answer these questions
Thank you
Hammad

Irfan,

Care to make a wild guess why NawazSarif thanked the chinese so very very profusely!?

(According to the author EVERYTHING was done indigenously ;)

To the unsung heroes, for they are a legion:

I was a sophomore student at the GIK Institute when Pakistan responded to the Indian tests. About a month after the tests, there was a student trip from GIKI to PINSTECH. There we were to be given a seminar by the famed Dr. Abdullah Sadiq. Having lost my way, I reached the auditorium a bit late only to find that a lean, silver-haired man attired in a white shalwar kameez was speaking to my classmates in a distinct pushto accent. As there were very few seats left, I went to the last row and sat down with a funny looking little man in a brown tweed suit.

I thought that the man speaking was some administrative underling who would be introducing the great man soon. Slowly it dawned on me that this humble yet dignified man with the erect posture WAS the famed Dr. Sadiq. During the intensely absorbing hour-long seminar I kept cursing my bad luck at being stuck with some magoo from PINSTECH instead of one of my good friends so I could indulge in some interesting discussion.

During the question-answer session one of my classmates asked Dr. Sadiq what the combined total yield of our tested devices were. ``That information is classified, but let me reassure you that we succeeded in validating all our concieved parameters. To give you more detailed information about our devices I will let Dr. (name withheld), the head of our warhead program say a few words``. Whereupon to my great chagrin and shame, the unassuming little man beside me, in the brown tweed suit got up and began speaking. That was the last day in my life when I judged anyone by what they looked like, what they wore, or how they spoke.

Regards,
Irfan Hamid.

Out of 24 cycles in the nuclear fuel cycle, A Q Khan was involved only one ie enrichment.
This is a fact. Otherwise how could Pakistan have got out of the much coveted nuclear noose of HoodBouy.

The Mansoor you know is a Dean in GIK.

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