The Nuclear Father

It is to the benefit of the Pakistan and its science that the genuine scientists, unlike AQK, be brought to light, if not lime light.
True scientists are in science for its own sake not to acquire real estate and investment properties!

Mansoor sahib: Thanks for writing an important article that does justice to the calibre of the subject, Dr. Munir. You bring out very well the strength of his character that matched his intellectual abilities. His contributions to the defense of Pakistan are truly of a historic nature.

Nice try author!

The old father of islamic bomb is in the doghouse...and so its time for a new father.

All part of improving pakistan`s image one supposes.

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What about those chinese bomb designs handed to the libyans?
What were chinese bomb design photocopies doing in the great Dr. Munir`s pakistan???

Mansoor Sahib!

Did you work in KANUPP Karachi with Dr. Munir and later moved to Islamabad?

I am just curious. I know one Mansoor Ahmed very well and he is fairly popular in Pakistan scientist community and now resides in Islamabad.

For a prior instance of the same kind of puffery on Chowk see R M S Azam’s

When Mountains Move

The more things change, the more they stay the same ....

Hi,

HP Sahib, I never worked for KANUPP, nor for PAEC.

Regards.

Munir Ahmad Khan had both intelligence AND wisdom.

He had a sense of social responsibility that his much (over) credited counterpart

seems to lack (no flash and cash here). With WMD a sense of that responsibility

is essential.

It is a shame that we do not give credit to such people till after they leave us.

Regards to his family.


Ras

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The Mansoor you know is a Dean in GIK.

Out of 24 cycles in the nuclear fuel cycle, A Q Khan was involved only one ie enrichment.
This is a fact. Otherwise how could Pakistan have got out of the much coveted nuclear noose of HoodBouy.

To the unsung heroes, for they are a legion:

I was a sophomore student at the GIK Institute when Pakistan responded to the Indian tests. About a month after the tests, there was a student trip from GIKI to PINSTECH. There we were to be given a seminar by the famed Dr. Abdullah Sadiq. Having lost my way, I reached the auditorium a bit late only to find that a lean, silver-haired man attired in a white shalwar kameez was speaking to my classmates in a distinct pushto accent. As there were very few seats left, I went to the last row and sat down with a funny looking little man in a brown tweed suit.

I thought that the man speaking was some administrative underling who would be introducing the great man soon. Slowly it dawned on me that this humble yet dignified man with the erect posture WAS the famed Dr. Sadiq. During the intensely absorbing hour-long seminar I kept cursing my bad luck at being stuck with some magoo from PINSTECH instead of one of my good friends so I could indulge in some interesting discussion.

During the question-answer session one of my classmates asked Dr. Sadiq what the combined total yield of our tested devices were. ``That information is classified, but let me reassure you that we succeeded in validating all our concieved parameters. To give you more detailed information about our devices I will let Dr. (name withheld), the head of our warhead program say a few words``. Whereupon to my great chagrin and shame, the unassuming little man beside me, in the brown tweed suit got up and began speaking. That was the last day in my life when I judged anyone by what they looked like, what they wore, or how they spoke.

Regards,
Irfan Hamid.

Irfan,

Care to make a wild guess why NawazSarif thanked the chinese so very very profusely!?

(According to the author EVERYTHING was done indigenously ;)

Dear Mansoor
Great Article. I just had a few general questions about Pakistan`s nuclear ability and that of other countries
1. Does Pakistan still need to import any technology/raw material for its nuclear program. Can the entire creation/maintenance process be achieved indigenously
2. Does the same hold true for India and Israel?
3. Where did India and Israel get hold of their materials and technology for their nuclear programs?

I hope you have time to answer these questions
Thank you
Hammad

Ref ironman #13

[Irfan,

Care to make a wild guess why NawazSarif thanked the chinese so very very profusely!?

(According to the author EVERYTHING was done indigenously ;) ]

Well, according to the US, the blueprints that they got out of Libya -- which were sold to Libya by Pakistan -- had Chinese writings all over the place!

Ironman #13:

And from the tone of your reply can I gather that EVERYTHING was imported?

If the US had to import expertise to make its nuclear bomb, then I`m not the least bit perturbed if Pakistan did so as well. And before all of the US`s illegitimate children that frequently inhabit chowk bombard my naïveté, consider the fact that the chief of the Manhattan project (which they called the project to make the bomb) was Oppenheimer, a German scientist, the man who encouraged the US president to go ahead with the project was none other than Einstein (also a German immigrant). Another leading man in Manhattan (again the project, not the famous island with the recently reduced skyline) was Enrico Fermi, an Italian physicist, the particle accelerator at Batavia, Illinois bears his name: ``Fermilab``. The list of illustrious names is long and distinguished (most of them immigrants to the US).

When it`s all over and the dust settles, only the ends matter, not the means. The simple, undeniable fact of the matter is that Pakistan has the nukes. How it got them is a moot point. For all I care they could have come gift-wrapped with the Chinese flag on top, that won`t make them any less lethal when they are screaming earthward at six times the speed of sound. They will still feel like hellfire and brimstone. The sandstorm from their shockwave will still shear off skin and pulverize bone. The unlucky ones who are not close to the blast will still be able to see their own skin melt off with heat and radiation, right upto the moment when their retinal fluid boils and their eyeballs explode.

So my friend, like a singer once said: ``In the end, it doesn`t even matter``

Regards,
Irfan Hamid.

#14 by irfanhamid,

``If the US had to import expertise to make its nuclear bomb...``

Irfan, This is what we have come to love with you pakis...and one of the reasons we indians come to chowk! I`m too stunned to reply. Einstein emigrated to america so its ok for pakistan to get ready-made bombs from china!!!

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But never mind all that. You obviously think highly of your scientists...which is not a problem for me. The issue is how good ARE they ACTUALLY.

To take my field, aerospace, as an example. You may not have heard of these international journals (AIAA, JPP, JSR, JAE). To get a paper published in these is an achievemnet of sorts for a scientist. I have 6 papers in them. During my years of scouring these journals...I did not come across a SINGLE paper from pakistan...not one frikkin one. I remember seeing a few from even egypt.

Now on the other board rsridhar said that in the joint chinese-paki fighter, paki contribution may be only the paint. From my experience I know this is probably close to the truth. Expertise of this kind is clearly visible.

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When an Indian physicist says that pakistan cannot possibly have developed the bomb, I know where he`s coming from.