Mohammad Gill May 13, 2004
#5 Posted by kaurasach on May 13, 2004 2:03:58 pm
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#4 Posted by malik99 on May 13, 2004 2:03:58 pm
kaurasach # 3 - There is no conflict between the two ``ideologies`` [islam, west] that you mentioned. This percieved conflict is a wishful thinking on the part of war mongers only (on both sides).
As for your point that ``Bush underestimated the response of the Islamic extremists and their far spread web of terror`` - this is quite funny. First of all the people who are fighting back against occupation are doing so to gain their freedom. Hence, they cannot be termed ``islamic extremists``. They could very well have been swiss, or french. Secondly, no Iraqi in history ever crossed the atlantic to attack US. Its the US that went there to kill Iraqis against all laws, against all reason, and without any legal or moral justification. So your associating the term ``terror`` for iraqis only shows your feeble grasp of the reality. I am sure if your mother was being strip searched on a check point in your home country, you will know exactly what I mean. You will fight back too. Trust me you will.
Then you say that this war ``is a stupid mistake because it was ill planned and poorly executed.`` No sir, this is an illegal war, an immoral war, an evil war - regardless of its planning and execution. And its not the low level soldiers who should be reprimanded for the rapes of Iraqi prisoners. Its should be the high level people who raped a country, raped the humanity of its dignity, raped UN, raped the standing of US in the world, with complete disregard of human suffering for american soldiers and iraqi people who should be brought to justice.
As for your point that ``Bush underestimated the response of the Islamic extremists and their far spread web of terror`` - this is quite funny. First of all the people who are fighting back against occupation are doing so to gain their freedom. Hence, they cannot be termed ``islamic extremists``. They could very well have been swiss, or french. Secondly, no Iraqi in history ever crossed the atlantic to attack US. Its the US that went there to kill Iraqis against all laws, against all reason, and without any legal or moral justification. So your associating the term ``terror`` for iraqis only shows your feeble grasp of the reality. I am sure if your mother was being strip searched on a check point in your home country, you will know exactly what I mean. You will fight back too. Trust me you will.
Then you say that this war ``is a stupid mistake because it was ill planned and poorly executed.`` No sir, this is an illegal war, an immoral war, an evil war - regardless of its planning and execution. And its not the low level soldiers who should be reprimanded for the rapes of Iraqi prisoners. Its should be the high level people who raped a country, raped the humanity of its dignity, raped UN, raped the standing of US in the world, with complete disregard of human suffering for american soldiers and iraqi people who should be brought to justice.
#3 Posted by kaurasach on May 13, 2004 1:16:13 pm
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#2 Posted by Malyck on May 13, 2004 1:04:05 pm
Questions have been raised if Donald Rumsfeld should resign voluntarily or else be fired by the President. Neither of this is on the horizon yet.
Why the poor Rumsy has to resign ??? Why would Bush fire him?? What has he done?? His only fault is to send his troops to Iraq believing that this will prove better for the humanity on the whole???
Take my words .... this is not scandle....you people are making it scandle. I know this is case of `injury without damage` (Ashbey vs. White 1703) but remember during war it a luck to have injurian sine damnum rather than whole damage and injury. People die in war ... you should be thank full that they didnt killed those Iraqi prisoners. These people are still safe. I can assure you that if Iraqi rebels would have won the war they would have cut throats of American and British Soldiers. Atleast they were little human to have some fun and give them mental torture.
Why cant we see things practically .... why is there a utopia in mind of eveyone of you on which you judge espeicially Amercia. If Saddam`s soldiers can kill and butcher their own people, if Saddam`s soldiers can plot massive acts of terror, if Saddam`s soldiers can gas alive Shias, if Saddam can bomb Kurds....doesnt American soldiers have right to JUST ``THREAT`` THEM WITH ELECTROCUTION?
Forget Vienna Conventions and Geneva conventions....talk about reality .... talk what happens in the world. Dont tell people what should happen and what treatments are necesasary. Trace out history of wars of the world and tell me in which war the subjects were pamperd with courtesans on silk feathery beds with wines? Talk practical stuff ... not something which was never done in histroy.
Why the poor Rumsy has to resign ??? Why would Bush fire him?? What has he done?? His only fault is to send his troops to Iraq believing that this will prove better for the humanity on the whole???
Take my words .... this is not scandle....you people are making it scandle. I know this is case of `injury without damage` (Ashbey vs. White 1703) but remember during war it a luck to have injurian sine damnum rather than whole damage and injury. People die in war ... you should be thank full that they didnt killed those Iraqi prisoners. These people are still safe. I can assure you that if Iraqi rebels would have won the war they would have cut throats of American and British Soldiers. Atleast they were little human to have some fun and give them mental torture.
Why cant we see things practically .... why is there a utopia in mind of eveyone of you on which you judge espeicially Amercia. If Saddam`s soldiers can kill and butcher their own people, if Saddam`s soldiers can plot massive acts of terror, if Saddam`s soldiers can gas alive Shias, if Saddam can bomb Kurds....doesnt American soldiers have right to JUST ``THREAT`` THEM WITH ELECTROCUTION?
Forget Vienna Conventions and Geneva conventions....talk about reality .... talk what happens in the world. Dont tell people what should happen and what treatments are necesasary. Trace out history of wars of the world and tell me in which war the subjects were pamperd with courtesans on silk feathery beds with wines? Talk practical stuff ... not something which was never done in histroy.
#1 Posted by rahul_capri on May 13, 2004 1:04:04 pm
We can wax eloquent about it ,write articles or try to explain the actions of one party or another. One thing which is obvious and cannot be more obvious is that this is a slugfest of hatred. And that is the only explanation.Never before has the lines between ``us`` and ``them`` so clearly drawn.And this will go on unless.......No kidding,There is no unless. This will go on.Raising voices or keeping quiet aint gonna make any difference.The verdict is out.We are more capable of hatred than of any other emotion.
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