Beena Sarwar May 17, 2004
#16 Posted by niranjan on May 17, 2004 10:33:49 am
#13.to the typical arrogant paki..fixed up cricket matches...please don`t let this column also go the way of the others....india won the series fair and square...as far as SAFTA , if u don`t like it don;t belong...let the rest of the region progress...simple....we are the world`s largest democracy...we are proud of it and even though we may not like those who get elected we eventually bite the bullet and give them their due...we accepted Gujral and Deve Gowda as our prime minister even though no one knew who they were outside their spheres of influence....both countries suffer from many of the same problems...hindu people??...india is a secular state and there are more citizens who are muslims than in pakistan...we might have flare-ups every now and then, like in any family, but they are quckly quelled by sane,middle of the road forces, to maintain stability...india is the fourth largest economy in the world in terms of purchasing power parity and the 12th in terms of GDP and is respected and admired by everyone except ofcourse, pakistan..surprise???...sore losers.
#15 Posted by sri on May 17, 2004 10:33:49 am
It is useless to even try to explain anything about borderline commie congress to any of the idiot Pakis posting here as if they hold PhDs in Indian economy. Obviously, their main motivation for liking the Indian election results is their hatred for BJP than their utterly pretentious ``this is great for Indian economy`` BullSht.
#14 Posted by Shehryar on May 17, 2004 10:33:49 am
Well written Beena, as always.
However, is it not premature to conclude that the change has come for the better? Acts of violence and bigotry have been committed all along regardless of who pretends to be in power.
Defeat of BJP to Congress merely leads to change of faces and words, but does it really change anything thats worth changing? Will the condition of ordinary muslims and other minorities improve? I don`t think so.
However, is it not premature to conclude that the change has come for the better? Acts of violence and bigotry have been committed all along regardless of who pretends to be in power.
Defeat of BJP to Congress merely leads to change of faces and words, but does it really change anything thats worth changing? Will the condition of ordinary muslims and other minorities improve? I don`t think so.
#13 Posted by Urstruly on May 17, 2004 8:14:54 am
temporal
good reply. One of these puppet ``Prime Minister`` Moin Quereshi (the Challabi of Pak?) even held American passport. I think all others hold that too but don`t show. They all look the same to me.
On the other hand, have you noticed how sore losers these hindu religious nuts are?Why drag Pakistanis and Muslims into their internal defeat? Pakistan on the other hand even fixed up cricket matches to give these nutjobs a boost in the election, not to mention getting into SAFTA and other non-sense, but they are angry with us for their defeat? Strange folks they are, these hindu people.
#12 Posted by Urstruly on May 17, 2004 8:05:14 am
They all look the same to me, I don`t understand the the reason for such hue and cry.
#11 Posted by temporal on May 17, 2004 8:04:32 am
indiajourno/aman:
are you serious? ... as in serious student or serious journalist?
as a pakistani journalist, could you let me know what the reaction of the masses of your nation would be were a person of foreign origin to ascede to the top post in your land...just being inquisitive...
...here is an update in case you missed it all along;)
...the top post in pakistan is occupied by a puppet...since oh about 1956...with brief periods of omission...the strings of the puppet were maneuvered from 1600 pennsylvania...and other beltway bandits...
...the puppeteer minds not if the puppets wear sherwani, flak jacket or duppatta...hope this recollection from politics 101 helps:)
rgds,
t
sir veeru:
what this this diversionary obsession with sudan...lay off...you know well enough there is no such bird called ummah ;)
are you serious? ... as in serious student or serious journalist?
as a pakistani journalist, could you let me know what the reaction of the masses of your nation would be were a person of foreign origin to ascede to the top post in your land...just being inquisitive...
...here is an update in case you missed it all along;)
...the top post in pakistan is occupied by a puppet...since oh about 1956...with brief periods of omission...the strings of the puppet were maneuvered from 1600 pennsylvania...and other beltway bandits...
...the puppeteer minds not if the puppets wear sherwani, flak jacket or duppatta...hope this recollection from politics 101 helps:)
rgds,
t
sir veeru:
what this this diversionary obsession with sudan...lay off...you know well enough there is no such bird called ummah ;)
#10 Posted by Ralph on May 17, 2004 8:01:05 am
This is what makes me sick. There is absolutely no understanding of India, its problems, or its politics. Only the most simplistic, even barbaric, gang-mentality of Islamic thuggery and its outdated desert-tribalism. Anyone who falls within the gang is beyond reproach. Anyone who dares to make them accountable is automatically labeled bigotted, Hitler, Milosovich, fascist.
With this level of understanding, what kind of political analysis can one expect?
With this level of understanding, what kind of political analysis can one expect?
#9 Posted by pmishra2 on May 17, 2004 7:56:23 am
This article illustrates a kind of mindless naivete about the situation in India and the arrogant belief that the left-wing forces are always progressive.
They are NOT. Without the constraints of democracy and media and the marketplace, the left-wing is as poisonous, vindictive, violent and narrow minded as Togadia or Modi. The Congress Party includes today people like Jagdsih Tytler and Sajjan Kumar, both of whom participated in the murder of Sikhs in 1984. It also includes the hatemongering communalist Syed Shahbuddin who has carefully used the Babri Masjid controversy to nurture his career. Mr. Shahbuddin`s outputs include the belief of ``natural superiority of islam`` and complete unconcern for the fact that female literacy in his constituency is under 10% amongst muslims. But as he is left-wing he must be A-OK, right??
Meanwhile the stock markets have crashed heavily because of complete chaos and stupid mistatements by ``progressive leftists``. One of these fools was ranting about the IMF and Word Bank without even realizing that India moved beyond these institutions 10 years ago! Talk about living in a fantasy world !
With incompetence of this kind, the indian public will happily re-elect Narendra Modi and Togadia within 2 years.
They are NOT. Without the constraints of democracy and media and the marketplace, the left-wing is as poisonous, vindictive, violent and narrow minded as Togadia or Modi. The Congress Party includes today people like Jagdsih Tytler and Sajjan Kumar, both of whom participated in the murder of Sikhs in 1984. It also includes the hatemongering communalist Syed Shahbuddin who has carefully used the Babri Masjid controversy to nurture his career. Mr. Shahbuddin`s outputs include the belief of ``natural superiority of islam`` and complete unconcern for the fact that female literacy in his constituency is under 10% amongst muslims. But as he is left-wing he must be A-OK, right??
Meanwhile the stock markets have crashed heavily because of complete chaos and stupid mistatements by ``progressive leftists``. One of these fools was ranting about the IMF and Word Bank without even realizing that India moved beyond these institutions 10 years ago! Talk about living in a fantasy world !
With incompetence of this kind, the indian public will happily re-elect Narendra Modi and Togadia within 2 years.
#8 Posted by veeresh on May 17, 2004 7:29:06 am
Hello Beena ji . . .you say . . .````I can imagine her practically speechless with joy at the defeat of the communal forces that have for the last so many years held India hostage to their bigotry and violence. ````
While I do not wish to comment about the speechlessness with joy therein, considering the simple fact that it was the goons from a Congress supported group that killed Safdar Hashmi decades ago, where and how did you get the assumption that India had been held hostage to bigotry and violence for the last so many years? Would you wish to please support this with some data, please?
Interim, would you also like to get hold of some facts on how the Leftists win and then usurp democracy for the last so many years, worldwide?
Interim, haven`t heard from you about the violence by Arabs against black people (Muslims all?) in Sudan? What are the lessons we need to learn from this, Beena ji?
While I do not wish to comment about the speechlessness with joy therein, considering the simple fact that it was the goons from a Congress supported group that killed Safdar Hashmi decades ago, where and how did you get the assumption that India had been held hostage to bigotry and violence for the last so many years? Would you wish to please support this with some data, please?
Interim, would you also like to get hold of some facts on how the Leftists win and then usurp democracy for the last so many years, worldwide?
Interim, haven`t heard from you about the violence by Arabs against black people (Muslims all?) in Sudan? What are the lessons we need to learn from this, Beena ji?
#7 Posted by soundmeister on May 17, 2004 6:55:19 am
I suppose it`s only natural for Pakis to rejoice that the ``fascist, Hindu-nationalist, Muslim-hating mass murderers`` are no longer in power. I also suppose it`s pointless to try and explain that the Congress is, if anything, even worse.
Indian politics is like that only. :)))
Indian politics is like that only. :)))
#6 Posted by Malyck on May 17, 2004 6:55:19 am
There is a common misperception among the people that the defeat of BJP has something to do with anit-Muslim incidents in India. BUT most of us forget the reason that made Vajapayee`s government a little optimistic about their expected. BJP govt expected a good harvest and a good harvest means a good rural vote bank. The asked for show of cards by basing all their calculation on this as a major factor. This was the reason that they called for elections 5 months in advance. The rural card fired back and Congress came out as other alternative winner.
#5 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on May 17, 2004 6:55:19 am
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#4 Posted by zebunnisa on May 17, 2004 6:54:27 am
definitely feeling good....lets hope Sushma Suraj and her whole campaign against the `foreign` PM doesnt affcet anything within the new government. Thumbs up to Congress and a potentially improved Indo-Pak peace process.
#3 Posted by rogues on May 17, 2004 6:54:27 am
true
the media did neglect a cpl of facts !
also these results have raised serious doubts over the credibility of exit/opinion polls.
do u feel that the supreme court`s reprimand of the gujarat govt hurt the bjp at least in gujrat ?
the media did neglect a cpl of facts !
also these results have raised serious doubts over the credibility of exit/opinion polls.
do u feel that the supreme court`s reprimand of the gujarat govt hurt the bjp at least in gujrat ?
#2 Posted by harish_hyd on May 17, 2004 6:54:26 am
[I can imagine her practically speechless with joy at the defeat of the communal forces that have for the last so many years held India hostage to their bigotry and violence.]
Communal forces? In the aftermath of Indira Gandhi`s assassination, thousands of Sikhs were massacred in Delhi (and elsewhere) by Congress supporters. The Gujarat violence simply pales in comparison. Jagdish Tytler and Sajjan Kumar, two Congress stalwarts were only recently acquited for their role in the genocide for lack of evidence. A dubious verdict indeed if there ever was one. Is it that it is a genocide only when the victims are Muslims?
Communal riots were a regular feature under Congress governments in Andhra Pradesh until NTR first came to power in 1983. Nobody then accused the Congress governments of being communal. I`m sure the BJP raises the hackles of some Indians and most Pakistanis for them to label the BJP as communal. Hypocrisy at it`s best.
[“The first thing the new government should do,” proclaimed my father, “is to establish a judicial commission of inquiry into the Gujarat massacres.”]
I don`t understand why most Pakistanis are so obsessed with what is essentially India`s internal problem. Other than the export of terrorism that has serious ramifications for India`s and indeed the World`s security, I don`t think Indians by and large are bothered about things like the daily killings of Shias, Karo Kari, feudalism, and the intra-state rivalry in Pakistan.
[The voters, Hindu and Muslim, have rejected their policies of divisiveness along communal lines.]
This verdict was about the benefits of a booming economy not percolating down to the poorest of the poor. If what you say is true, then Narendra Modi wouldn`t have won a landslide victory in the Gujarat assembly elections in the aftermath of the riots.
Certainly, you could have researched a bit more before proceeding to write. This is at best a blatantly ill-informed article.
Communal forces? In the aftermath of Indira Gandhi`s assassination, thousands of Sikhs were massacred in Delhi (and elsewhere) by Congress supporters. The Gujarat violence simply pales in comparison. Jagdish Tytler and Sajjan Kumar, two Congress stalwarts were only recently acquited for their role in the genocide for lack of evidence. A dubious verdict indeed if there ever was one. Is it that it is a genocide only when the victims are Muslims?
Communal riots were a regular feature under Congress governments in Andhra Pradesh until NTR first came to power in 1983. Nobody then accused the Congress governments of being communal. I`m sure the BJP raises the hackles of some Indians and most Pakistanis for them to label the BJP as communal. Hypocrisy at it`s best.
[“The first thing the new government should do,” proclaimed my father, “is to establish a judicial commission of inquiry into the Gujarat massacres.”]
I don`t understand why most Pakistanis are so obsessed with what is essentially India`s internal problem. Other than the export of terrorism that has serious ramifications for India`s and indeed the World`s security, I don`t think Indians by and large are bothered about things like the daily killings of Shias, Karo Kari, feudalism, and the intra-state rivalry in Pakistan.
[The voters, Hindu and Muslim, have rejected their policies of divisiveness along communal lines.]
This verdict was about the benefits of a booming economy not percolating down to the poorest of the poor. If what you say is true, then Narendra Modi wouldn`t have won a landslide victory in the Gujarat assembly elections in the aftermath of the riots.
Certainly, you could have researched a bit more before proceeding to write. This is at best a blatantly ill-informed article.
#1 Posted by indiajourno on May 17, 2004 6:54:26 am
dear ms sarwar,
as a pakistani journalist, could you let me know what the reaction of the masses of your nation would be were a person of foreign origin to ascede to the top post in your land...just being inquisitive...
aman malik
india
as a pakistani journalist, could you let me know what the reaction of the masses of your nation would be were a person of foreign origin to ascede to the top post in your land...just being inquisitive...
aman malik
india
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