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Veeru #31:

…no haven’t been to sudan yet…I know what you are saying here…except that my questioning you rose from an earlier interact on another board where u used the term ummah wrt sudan…hermeneutically I cannot fault you for using ummah

..but it is passé…the alleged desi members of this ummah are not bothered by the happenings in sudan, chechenya, southern thailand, phillipines to name a few hot spots…heck…a few years ago during the holocaust in bosnia can you name the first country that offered refuge to the muslim victims?… hint: it is an ‘occupier’ in the most volatile region of mid east

rgd,

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#48 by harish_hyd

You are wasting your time with tahmed. As far as BJP and nuke is concerned - he is blind as a bat - His hatred towards BJP prevents him from thinking straight.

Dost # 53 & 54

That was an honest reply. Direction should be clear now, that measures should be taken at this point of time to protect the life, property, and honor of Muslim subjects in India. They were never in more danger than before.

Sri # 44

Sometimes talking to you banya people just boggles my mind. Would you care to explain how could it be ``Economy Stupid`` when India`s purported annual growth rate is 10%. You cannot have it both ways. Either you were and you are telling a lie about your growth rate or it is NOT ``Economy Stupid``. A third possibility is that the way you measure growth rate is wrong. Personlly I think it is a combination of reason # 1 & #3.

Re: #47 satyamvada

Don`t bet on it. He needs surgery to get his twinky brain replaced first....

harish_hyd #48 I think sir that you give BJP more credit than it deserves.

While I have been thru these arguments before on chowk, let me repeat my conclusions even taking into account what the Indian posters were saying:

1. Prior to the nuclear explosions, Pakistan was in the economic doghouse living under all sorts of sanctions. In the weeks and months following the explosions, the sanctions were steadily lifted. Thanks to BJP, Pakistan came in from out of the cold.

2. Throughout the 1990`s, prior to the nuclear explosions, BJP had followed an aggressive policy of confrontation with Pakistan. After the explosions: BJP suddenly discovered the virtues of peace with Pakistan.

Further to this, I recall that Indian leaders publicly called for Pakistan to be declared a pariah state along with countries like N. Korea and Iran throughout the 1990`s (the US not to listen to BJP`s please, but that doesnt change the fact that Indian leaders tried). This anti-Pakistan rhetoric peaked of course in 1998 in the form of Advani`s direct threats. After Pakistan responded in kind and demonstrated it was not cowed by BJP bullying, and indeed now had the power to knock Advani`s socks off, things changed. And then BJP discovered the peace process.

3. Far from Pakistan coming under the ``US scanner`` as you think, the fact is that the US and the rest of the world now has a direct stake in stability in Pakistan.

I dont know which nuclear scientists you have in mind, but Qadeer Khan was questioned and publicly pardoned by Musharaff.

So, dont give BJP credit for what it does not deserve. India and Pakistan had started moving towards peace under Gujral - NOT under BJP. Gujral and Sharif had in fact developed good personal rapport, and conversed in Panjabi like old chums. BJP had in fact set the clock back with its anti-Pakistan rhetoric.

And peace with Pakistan is not the only the only time BJP has picked up false credit.


On your second issue, it is not a question of legalities. It is a question of leadership and support to the democratic process. In both areas BJP has miserably failed (ABVs quick acceptance of election results was the only right thing BJP did, but then ABV is I think one man and the next in line BJP leaders are blinded by their hatefilled BJP ideology).

Ref harish_hyd #1

{[I can imagine her practically speechless with joy at the defeat of the communal forces that have for the last so many years held India hostage to their bigotry and violence.]

Communal forces? In the aftermath of Indira Gandhi`s assassination, thousands of Sikhs were massacred in Delhi (and elsewhere) by Congress supporters. The Gujarat violence simply pales in comparison. Jagdish Tytler and Sajjan Kumar, two Congress stalwarts were only recently acquited for their role in the genocide for lack of evidence.}

And Sajjan Kumat gets re-elected to the Parliament from New Delhi with a thumping majority.

And these folks want Narendra Modi to be ousted!

It is only wrong to kill Muslims in India. Sikhs are fair game; weren`t they targeted back in 1947 by the Muslim League?

sri #44 It is indeed about the economy, stupid. Or didnt you see the election results? Or do you think you are smarter than the average Indian voter?

The Indian economy is not quite switzerland yet, ya dumbass BJP bootlicker.

I am just kidding on the name calling, so dont get mad. hey, if you can call me a religious nut for no reason, then I can call you a few things WITH good reason. ;-)

Another thing, ya half-brained NRI piece of cra!p (just kidding again). BJP had nothing to do with the IT business - Nehru (your arch-nemesis, ya illiterate computer programmer) gets credit for that and the Indian businessmen get credit for that. BJP was there for the ride. Credit BJP for spreading its primitive tribal ideology, if you must credit it.

Stooopid BJP chamcha!!

just kidding, my man. stay cool. and forget about BJP. Next time Advani gives you any trouble, let us Pakis know and we will stick a missile up his rear. :-)

Ref shehryar #16

[Defeat of BJP to Congress merely leads to change of faces and words, but does it really change anything thats worth changing? Will the condition of ordinary muslims and other minorities improve? I don`t think so.]

The condition of the ordinary Muslims will NOT improve. If Muslims WANT to be beggars, they will remain beggars. Asking for government handouts is just another form of begging.

Other religious minorities such as Sikhs, Parsis and Jains are doing quite well without the support of the government, thank you very much.

urstruly,

On the other hand, have you noticed how sore losers these hindu religious nuts are?Why drag Pakistanis and Muslims into their internal defeat? Pakistan on the other hand even fixed up cricket matches to give these nutjobs a boost in the election

ha ha, yup pakistan fixed the cricket mathces alright, just as the jews were responsible for 9/11.
After all, wasn`t it a jewish conspiracy, not a single jewish person went to work at the
Word Trade Center that day?
Please keep on fixing cricket matches, it suits us just fine.

correction:
In #53. ``The BJP would have almost certainly gone for the former, except for the fact that Narendra Modi has also substantial support in his home state of Gujarat``
should read, ``The BJP would have almost certainly gone for the former, except for the fact that Narendra Modi has also LOST substantial support in his home state of Gujarat``

Urstruly:
``I think Muslims will face extremely tough times ahead, especially, with a proxy PM such as Manmohan Singh, not that the Gandhi family are angels of mercy for them either.``

I wish I could outrightly reject your fears, but I cannot. All I can say right now is that it is too early to tell. The BJP will soon take stock of the situation on how to revive its fortunes. It has two alternatives: to continue ABV`s attempts to enlarge its tent to attract minorities into it, which is essential if it wants to lay claim to be a governing party; or, to polarise the society by a more militant hinutva represented by Narendra Modi. The BJP would have almost certainly gone for the former, except for the fact that Narendra Modi has also substantial support in his home state of Gujarat. So, his brand of politics of polarisation, too, yielded only short-term gains.
Check with me in six months` time!

Dost # 42

No it didn`t help. Though I thank you for at least being civil - must have been really hard to write such a post. I appreciate the effort.

Your post didn`t help because I beleive that every madness has a reason. The reason these religious nuts are acting and they are dragging everything un-related into accusations is that they are preparing the groundwork for their retribution against Muslims for not voting for them. I think Muslims will face extremely tough times ahead, especially, with a proxy PM such as Manmohan Singh, not that the Gandhi family are angels of mercy for them either.

Time someone wrote about Shahbaz Shreef`s Pakistan Yatra - called `Tronsit` (transit) by Sheihk Rasheed.

veeresh sahib -- quite typical of you to go on and on, and digress and deflect when you have no arguments to offer -- naheen veeresh sahib, i dont think i have an interest in hino buses as abiding as yours so i think i will give the bonnet-checking a miss -- and again you misquote me/twist facts -- i never taunted urdu journalists anywhere in my posts -- you keep mentioning them -- as for the daily times piece veeresh sahib -- even if it was published before your piece came out, you seem to fit the type of indian visitor najam sethi is talking about -- of course, this i say based on your articles and the tone and tenor of much of your posts on this site -- AND, that is my opinion, kindly dont bombard me with theories, explanations or further references to your rather brief visit to the land of your forefathers --

i think i could tell the sarcasm implied in your questions sadna -- as for your post #39 -- i dont demand that readers take what journalists write as the gospel truth -- as far as opinions are concerned everybody has a right to hold them but one shouldn`t impose them on others -- as far as cases where facts are considered, what i find here is that some people, even when the facts are presented to them, insist on their version -- and by the way im not talking about myself -- sadna, if for example you have been a teacher for say 15 years I would give some credence to your views on education and teaching -- i wouldnt hold them as gospel truth but i would think that you have some idea of what your talking about -- i dont know which `well-known` columnists you`re talking about -- but columnists, opinion writers and commentators are bound to hold strong views and opinions -- after all that`s what they are, in a way, paid for -- to write down their views and opinions -- as for them not responding well to disagreement well sadna in case you didnt notice this isnt a newspaper or a tv channel -- in any media organization feedback is quite regulated and if feedback is personal then more often than not the columnist or editor is quite entitled to either not respond to it or respond to it tersely -- in dawn today and yesterday, there were two very critical letters against one of Pakistan`s best-known columnists, Ardeshir Cowasjee -- and he had not responded to them, so far -- but i`m sure when he does he will be civil -- the reason for that is the newspaper`s policy which strongly discourages personal attacks -- the same, however, cannot be said for this website which often seems to allow violations of its stated policy -- and when it is pointed out to them that such violations are happening frequently then for some inexplicable reason invalid extrapolations are made as if it is being suggested that interactors be banned -- and actually in newspapers, personal attacks are never, or should be never, published -- im afraid, sadna, you totally overlook the fact that a lot of the responses by readers are themselves personal, insulting and slanderous -- but i suppose that reflects on those who come and interact on chowk