A Bold Agenda for United Progressive Alliance (UPA)
Dost Mittar May 19, 2004
#52 Posted by anil on May 20, 2004 4:05:48 pm
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#51 Posted by dost_mittar on May 20, 2004 2:27:14 pm
sadna#44:
I left DSE before Manmohan Singh went there, so I do not have any personal knowledge although I do know one or two persons who know him. So, most of what I know about him is through the media. (incidentally, this friend thought that he could never become PM because he was a sikh!).
I understand that he was a typical Nehruvian economist of the Oxford brand of the `50s, who had his conversion on the road to UNCTAD. He is not a diehard free-marketeer or globalist and is likely to deal with each issue/policy on a case by case basis. I remember that he refused to float rupee while he was the Finance Minister as he thought it entailed too many potential risks. On PSUs he is on record saying that he is not in favour of selling profitable units. I hope that he will modify his position to ensure that only those commercial PSUs are kept that have a competitor and not profitable merely because they are a monopoly. For example, Maruti was an efficient enterprise, even though it was publicly owned, since it had to compete with the private sector enterprises.
..and he comes from the same potohar region of Pakistan that my parents do.:-)
Re. Sonia Gandhi, I think it will take some time before we know the whole story. Personally, if I were her and had closed my eyes, I would have had nightmares thinking about the cut-and-thrust of the Indian Parliament while dealing with the maharathis on the other side.
``Moreover lot of minority stakeholding in `power and privilege` comes from such provisions. If the majority had such provisions too, the main purpose of the provisions would be lost.``
You have raised some valid points and also answered some of them yourself. The problem with the asymmetric secularism is that it gives rise to a backlash in the majority community, which defeats the very purpose of those safeguards.
``With the DMK, Samajwadi Party, Ram Vilas Paswan and Laloo in government and efforts to get Mayawati/BSP too, do you really expect this to happen?``
I believe there has been some talk already about economic-based reservations.
``Any laws are only as good as their implementation. It was found that the highest number of detainees under the POTA in a particular year were Gujarati(Hindu) farmers because the then Gujarat CM didnot like their agitation.``
I am not a fan of POTA. As I said to someone else, the idea is to bring about a change in people`s attitude towards hate crimes; the inumerable task forces since independence have failed to do that.
``As for the education-related ideas, IMO, it has not been the lack of funds but the lack of quality control which has been the problem. This problem requires political will to solve, not money.``
I had the impression that the resources were a problem too. I have read reports about schools without black board or one teacher for the whole school. But dont you think that empowering Panchayats with funds for schools will also improve the quality of education?
I left DSE before Manmohan Singh went there, so I do not have any personal knowledge although I do know one or two persons who know him. So, most of what I know about him is through the media. (incidentally, this friend thought that he could never become PM because he was a sikh!).
I understand that he was a typical Nehruvian economist of the Oxford brand of the `50s, who had his conversion on the road to UNCTAD. He is not a diehard free-marketeer or globalist and is likely to deal with each issue/policy on a case by case basis. I remember that he refused to float rupee while he was the Finance Minister as he thought it entailed too many potential risks. On PSUs he is on record saying that he is not in favour of selling profitable units. I hope that he will modify his position to ensure that only those commercial PSUs are kept that have a competitor and not profitable merely because they are a monopoly. For example, Maruti was an efficient enterprise, even though it was publicly owned, since it had to compete with the private sector enterprises.
..and he comes from the same potohar region of Pakistan that my parents do.:-)
Re. Sonia Gandhi, I think it will take some time before we know the whole story. Personally, if I were her and had closed my eyes, I would have had nightmares thinking about the cut-and-thrust of the Indian Parliament while dealing with the maharathis on the other side.
``Moreover lot of minority stakeholding in `power and privilege` comes from such provisions. If the majority had such provisions too, the main purpose of the provisions would be lost.``
You have raised some valid points and also answered some of them yourself. The problem with the asymmetric secularism is that it gives rise to a backlash in the majority community, which defeats the very purpose of those safeguards.
``With the DMK, Samajwadi Party, Ram Vilas Paswan and Laloo in government and efforts to get Mayawati/BSP too, do you really expect this to happen?``
I believe there has been some talk already about economic-based reservations.
``Any laws are only as good as their implementation. It was found that the highest number of detainees under the POTA in a particular year were Gujarati(Hindu) farmers because the then Gujarat CM didnot like their agitation.``
I am not a fan of POTA. As I said to someone else, the idea is to bring about a change in people`s attitude towards hate crimes; the inumerable task forces since independence have failed to do that.
``As for the education-related ideas, IMO, it has not been the lack of funds but the lack of quality control which has been the problem. This problem requires political will to solve, not money.``
I had the impression that the resources were a problem too. I have read reports about schools without black board or one teacher for the whole school. But dont you think that empowering Panchayats with funds for schools will also improve the quality of education?
#50 Posted by dost_mittar on May 20, 2004 1:56:56 pm
jang#42:
``What about a wholistic energy policy? A growing poor economy like India without a wholistic energy, (and environement/water etc) policy will implode india and possibly the world.``
I did mention biomass energy, didn`t I?
I agree. Environment issues are a luxury for the developed world; but not for a poor country like India. If a woman has to walk two miles to get drinking water, it is a real cost even if it doesn`t show up in GNP. Same with the lowering of subterranean water levels.
yogacho#45:
``in my opinion due to these actions of BJP it lost its USP, that of being a party of hindus and for hindus. BJP was left nowhere as hindus saw it playing the same appeasement games that congress used to play and muslims were never going to vote for BJP.``
And therein lies the danger. As its policy to woo muslims has failed, the extremist elements within the party will now seek to consolidate its core support group.
``What about a wholistic energy policy? A growing poor economy like India without a wholistic energy, (and environement/water etc) policy will implode india and possibly the world.``
I did mention biomass energy, didn`t I?
I agree. Environment issues are a luxury for the developed world; but not for a poor country like India. If a woman has to walk two miles to get drinking water, it is a real cost even if it doesn`t show up in GNP. Same with the lowering of subterranean water levels.
yogacho#45:
``in my opinion due to these actions of BJP it lost its USP, that of being a party of hindus and for hindus. BJP was left nowhere as hindus saw it playing the same appeasement games that congress used to play and muslims were never going to vote for BJP.``
And therein lies the danger. As its policy to woo muslims has failed, the extremist elements within the party will now seek to consolidate its core support group.
#49 Posted by dost_mittar on May 20, 2004 12:13:58 pm
kaurasach:
``The same congress also supported Tytler and Sawan Kumar - known lowlifes who led anti sikh mobs.``
I think that you mean Sajjan Kumar. I do hope that they are not given a ministeria berth and Manmohan Singh will resign if asked to do so.
yogiraj#40:
``Do you know education is a state issue and taxing it by FEDs will need constitutional changes? And if you open this (I mean constitution for amendmend), why not one man / one woman? Why not... well.``
I believe that it is a concurrent subject. Although primary education is a responsibility of the state governments, the Centre plays a role there as well through agencies like NCERT and adult literacy programs. I believe, through imaginative schemes, the Centre can find a mechanism of giving funds directly to panchayats through a cell in the planning commission and creating centre-state body.
``The same congress also supported Tytler and Sawan Kumar - known lowlifes who led anti sikh mobs.``
I think that you mean Sajjan Kumar. I do hope that they are not given a ministeria berth and Manmohan Singh will resign if asked to do so.
yogiraj#40:
``Do you know education is a state issue and taxing it by FEDs will need constitutional changes? And if you open this (I mean constitution for amendmend), why not one man / one woman? Why not... well.``
I believe that it is a concurrent subject. Although primary education is a responsibility of the state governments, the Centre plays a role there as well through agencies like NCERT and adult literacy programs. I believe, through imaginative schemes, the Centre can find a mechanism of giving funds directly to panchayats through a cell in the planning commission and creating centre-state body.
#48 Posted by dost_mittar on May 20, 2004 12:05:05 pm
ballukhan#31:
``This is the hackneyed solution- we need to be more innovative on this- perhaps allow government schoools to be adopted by the private ones like Pakistan has done- the problem is not merely of education resources but of its improper utilization.``
What would be the incentive for them to do so? I propose giving the funds to the panchayats; they are in the best position to look after the educational interests of their children.
````- POTA-type legislation -``
No!!!! this is incorrect identification of the problem- riots do not occur because the Acts and Legislations are weak. The riots can only be deterred by ensuring that the law enforcement officials, the police, is properly trained and sensitized to handle riots ``professionally`` , without going into the politics of riots. ``
I am aware of this and have said so previously. The intent here is to give a shock treatment to bring about attitudinal changes; to make the point that communal criminals are no less danger to the society than the terrorists. In fact I am against POTA as well as it can and has been abused. In any case, it seems that POTA will soon be history.
arjunm:
``And Amartya Sen`s businesses have created jobs for how many people?``
...the same number as that created by Milton Friedman!
``This is the hackneyed solution- we need to be more innovative on this- perhaps allow government schoools to be adopted by the private ones like Pakistan has done- the problem is not merely of education resources but of its improper utilization.``
What would be the incentive for them to do so? I propose giving the funds to the panchayats; they are in the best position to look after the educational interests of their children.
````- POTA-type legislation -``
No!!!! this is incorrect identification of the problem- riots do not occur because the Acts and Legislations are weak. The riots can only be deterred by ensuring that the law enforcement officials, the police, is properly trained and sensitized to handle riots ``professionally`` , without going into the politics of riots. ``
I am aware of this and have said so previously. The intent here is to give a shock treatment to bring about attitudinal changes; to make the point that communal criminals are no less danger to the society than the terrorists. In fact I am against POTA as well as it can and has been abused. In any case, it seems that POTA will soon be history.
arjunm:
``And Amartya Sen`s businesses have created jobs for how many people?``
...the same number as that created by Milton Friedman!
#47 Posted by sadna on May 20, 2004 11:56:51 am
arjun_m #34
Amartya Sen`s ideas have been incorporated into the way international bodies look at poverty and development. There are many ways of being productive.
Amartya Sen`s ideas have been incorporated into the way international bodies look at poverty and development. There are many ways of being productive.
#46 Posted by dost_mittar on May 20, 2004 11:54:09 am
avkrishna#27,28:
Bihar and MP are behind but even they are starting to make some progress in this area.
``I wonder how you are so certain?``
I am sure that the media would be full of complaints if it were not so!
Urstruly#30:
I only believe in one ideology: What works! What Pakistan is doing can only scratch the surface of the problem; some poor children in some cities might be helped, presuming that the intent is not frustrated through corrupt practices. But how will it help the rural masses. Re. bureaucracy, I said specifically that I am against creating any new bureaucracy and would liket the funds to be reallocated directly to local bodies based on some formula.
nasah:
I am relieved but would not sing praises of the electorate as you do. As someone pointed out, all states where governments had initiated some progress have witnessed the ruling party defeated, including the Congress in Karnataka and Kerala. On the other hand, corrupt, lawless and totally incompetent governments, such as those led by Rabri Devi of Bihar have been reelected. It seems that the poor do not mind being mired in poverty as long as nobody else is prospering either. It is the classic syndrom of misery loves company.
Bihar and MP are behind but even they are starting to make some progress in this area.
``I wonder how you are so certain?``
I am sure that the media would be full of complaints if it were not so!
Urstruly#30:
I only believe in one ideology: What works! What Pakistan is doing can only scratch the surface of the problem; some poor children in some cities might be helped, presuming that the intent is not frustrated through corrupt practices. But how will it help the rural masses. Re. bureaucracy, I said specifically that I am against creating any new bureaucracy and would liket the funds to be reallocated directly to local bodies based on some formula.
nasah:
I am relieved but would not sing praises of the electorate as you do. As someone pointed out, all states where governments had initiated some progress have witnessed the ruling party defeated, including the Congress in Karnataka and Kerala. On the other hand, corrupt, lawless and totally incompetent governments, such as those led by Rabri Devi of Bihar have been reelected. It seems that the poor do not mind being mired in poverty as long as nobody else is prospering either. It is the classic syndrom of misery loves company.
#45 Posted by yagacho on May 20, 2004 11:34:01 am
dost mittar,
you mention that `` majority community feel that the minority community has been spoiled by the “pseudo-secularism” of the Congress and left parties``.
i think in this election BJP practiced ``pseudo-secularism” much more than any other party. vajpayee in green pagdi meeting with maulanas, mukhtar naqvi as BJP spokesman, peace talks with pak,..... list is pretty long.
in my opinion due to these actions of BJP it lost its USP, that of being a party of hindus and for hindus. BJP was left nowhere as hindus saw it playing the same appeasement games that congress used to play and muslims were never going to vote for BJP.
you mention that `` majority community feel that the minority community has been spoiled by the “pseudo-secularism” of the Congress and left parties``.
i think in this election BJP practiced ``pseudo-secularism” much more than any other party. vajpayee in green pagdi meeting with maulanas, mukhtar naqvi as BJP spokesman, peace talks with pak,..... list is pretty long.
in my opinion due to these actions of BJP it lost its USP, that of being a party of hindus and for hindus. BJP was left nowhere as hindus saw it playing the same appeasement games that congress used to play and muslims were never going to vote for BJP.
#44 Posted by sadna on May 20, 2004 11:29:50 am
dost-mittarji
Wish you would share with us what you think of Dr Manmohan Singh and/or his school of economics/development philosophy :).
``She realized that her prime ministership would polarize the country and the parliament, with a real possibility of the NDA members boycotting the parliament. ``
The NDA had announced that they would not boycott Parliament if Sonia Gandhi became Prime Minister, they would be a `responsible` opposition. It was clarified to the press that the boycott threat was only for the swearing in ceremony.
IMO, Sonia Gandhi realised that her own personal inclinations did not extend beyond safeguarding the family legacy. Having a good record of being PM of India is a very hard thing for anyone. I am glad she realised this, for whatever reason though BJP came out of it looking very bad. If Congress wins another election in the future, she may become PM then, who knows?
``All discriminatory provisions of the constitution with regards to religions should be removed. The same provisions should govern educational and religious institutions irrespective of whether the institution belongs to a religious majority or minority.``
This will require major constitutional amendments. The founding fathers decided against legislative measures to protect minority identity and rights, and offered this sort of autonomy to protect them from being overrun by the majority religious community. Reworking that consensus will be really difficult.
Moreover lot of minority stakeholding in `power and privilege` comes from such provisions. If the majority had such provisions too, the main purpose of the provisions would be lost.
No question that this issue needs to be addressed somehow, because where the contradictions of this `minority-majority` approach are felt to be severe, thats where you see shishu mandirs, Vanvasi ashrams and Ekal vidyalayas springing up. Basically minority religious and educational institutions can freely exist as private corporate entities, even global private corporate entities, while majority religious and educational institutions cannot.
I used to believe the best solution is for minority religious and education institutions to be run as public trusts, just like majority religious and education institutions, in a way that need not lessen minority autonomy. But perhaps this too can be judged unconstitutional.
``- A certain percentage of caste-based reserved seats, say one-fourth, should be changed into income-based reservations, so that others, especially religious minorities can benefit from them;``
With the DMK, Samajwadi Party, Ram Vilas Paswan and Laloo in government and efforts to get Mayawati/BSP too, do you really expect this to happen?
`` A POTA-type legislation should be introduced to deal with communal riots and other hate crimes;``
Any laws are only as good as their implementation. It was found that the highest number of detainees under the POTA in a particular year were Gujarati(Hindu) farmers because the then Gujarat CM didnot like their agitation.
After every riots episode, implementation of the various recommendations on police reform is urged. In 1996 when Inderjit Gupta of the CPI was Union Home Minister, he took interest and wrote to all states about this. If he is going to be Home Minister again, what better time to press for this again?
A major recommendation, which is hardest to push through involves creating and sustaining structures to make the state police free of political interference. AK Anthony in Kerala for example, had been attempting this which is virtual political suicide for him - so it requires public support and central government willingness not to play politics with it.
http://law.indiainfo.com/miscellaneous/police-reforms.html
As for the education-related ideas, IMO, it has not been the lack of funds but the lack of quality control which has been the problem. This problem requires political will to solve, not money.
Now there is a further `complication`. If I understand it right, previously a child had to be enrolled in a school/curriculum which fulfilled certain norms to be classified as enrolled.
Now under the `Sarva Shiksha Abhiyaan`, the norms for quality control have been made even looser, with the definitions of `education` and `school` and `enrollment` thrown to the winds(IMO). The `Sarva Shiksha Abhiyaan` which is now in force includes new classifications for schools such as `education guarantee scheme` or `special school` to be funded by the government.
The `education guarantee scheme` might be only a black board in the shade of a tree and anything may or maynot be taught, but any child in the neighbourhood whose name is added to the list of such a school is deemed by the government to be `enrolled`. This was not so pre-Sarva Shiksha Abhiyaan.
Hence, officially, as of 2003, only 10 million Indian children were `unenrolled`. What connection this sort of enrollment has with the child becoming literate and getting an education is unclear(IMO). This sort of reclassification may be a huge scam on quality norms to assess how well the goverments are doing wrt basic education. We need some nonideological knowledgeble people to let us know if this is so.
Wish you would share with us what you think of Dr Manmohan Singh and/or his school of economics/development philosophy :).
``She realized that her prime ministership would polarize the country and the parliament, with a real possibility of the NDA members boycotting the parliament. ``
The NDA had announced that they would not boycott Parliament if Sonia Gandhi became Prime Minister, they would be a `responsible` opposition. It was clarified to the press that the boycott threat was only for the swearing in ceremony.
IMO, Sonia Gandhi realised that her own personal inclinations did not extend beyond safeguarding the family legacy. Having a good record of being PM of India is a very hard thing for anyone. I am glad she realised this, for whatever reason though BJP came out of it looking very bad. If Congress wins another election in the future, she may become PM then, who knows?
``All discriminatory provisions of the constitution with regards to religions should be removed. The same provisions should govern educational and religious institutions irrespective of whether the institution belongs to a religious majority or minority.``
This will require major constitutional amendments. The founding fathers decided against legislative measures to protect minority identity and rights, and offered this sort of autonomy to protect them from being overrun by the majority religious community. Reworking that consensus will be really difficult.
Moreover lot of minority stakeholding in `power and privilege` comes from such provisions. If the majority had such provisions too, the main purpose of the provisions would be lost.
No question that this issue needs to be addressed somehow, because where the contradictions of this `minority-majority` approach are felt to be severe, thats where you see shishu mandirs, Vanvasi ashrams and Ekal vidyalayas springing up. Basically minority religious and educational institutions can freely exist as private corporate entities, even global private corporate entities, while majority religious and educational institutions cannot.
I used to believe the best solution is for minority religious and education institutions to be run as public trusts, just like majority religious and education institutions, in a way that need not lessen minority autonomy. But perhaps this too can be judged unconstitutional.
``- A certain percentage of caste-based reserved seats, say one-fourth, should be changed into income-based reservations, so that others, especially religious minorities can benefit from them;``
With the DMK, Samajwadi Party, Ram Vilas Paswan and Laloo in government and efforts to get Mayawati/BSP too, do you really expect this to happen?
`` A POTA-type legislation should be introduced to deal with communal riots and other hate crimes;``
Any laws are only as good as their implementation. It was found that the highest number of detainees under the POTA in a particular year were Gujarati(Hindu) farmers because the then Gujarat CM didnot like their agitation.
After every riots episode, implementation of the various recommendations on police reform is urged. In 1996 when Inderjit Gupta of the CPI was Union Home Minister, he took interest and wrote to all states about this. If he is going to be Home Minister again, what better time to press for this again?
A major recommendation, which is hardest to push through involves creating and sustaining structures to make the state police free of political interference. AK Anthony in Kerala for example, had been attempting this which is virtual political suicide for him - so it requires public support and central government willingness not to play politics with it.
http://law.indiainfo.com/miscellaneous/police-reforms.html
As for the education-related ideas, IMO, it has not been the lack of funds but the lack of quality control which has been the problem. This problem requires political will to solve, not money.
Now there is a further `complication`. If I understand it right, previously a child had to be enrolled in a school/curriculum which fulfilled certain norms to be classified as enrolled.
Now under the `Sarva Shiksha Abhiyaan`, the norms for quality control have been made even looser, with the definitions of `education` and `school` and `enrollment` thrown to the winds(IMO). The `Sarva Shiksha Abhiyaan` which is now in force includes new classifications for schools such as `education guarantee scheme` or `special school` to be funded by the government.
The `education guarantee scheme` might be only a black board in the shade of a tree and anything may or maynot be taught, but any child in the neighbourhood whose name is added to the list of such a school is deemed by the government to be `enrolled`. This was not so pre-Sarva Shiksha Abhiyaan.
Hence, officially, as of 2003, only 10 million Indian children were `unenrolled`. What connection this sort of enrollment has with the child becoming literate and getting an education is unclear(IMO). This sort of reclassification may be a huge scam on quality norms to assess how well the goverments are doing wrt basic education. We need some nonideological knowledgeble people to let us know if this is so.
#43 Posted by yogiraj on May 20, 2004 11:29:28 am
D-M
Sirjee.
Major disagreement.
Your basic tenet is, populist and targeted to just get popularity with chowk posters.
Better ManMohan or Sonia leave it the way it is. Rather than thinking of one paisa more tax on education.
Sushama Swaraj knew/knows it, so did/does Uma. That exactly is the reason they do not want outsiders to meddle. You or Sonia.
You sir are so much popular with chowk, you will get away with this and much much more snafus.
Asking you a question.
Do you know education is a state issue and taxing it by FEDs will need constitutional changes? And if you open this (I mean constitution for amendmend), why not one man / one woman? Why not... well. Those are not the question. I ask only one
Not expecting any answers.
Who ask question is important not the question.
Long live Italy. Long live Canada.
Yours truely
Yogiraj Patil
Sirjee.
Major disagreement.
Your basic tenet is, populist and targeted to just get popularity with chowk posters.
Better ManMohan or Sonia leave it the way it is. Rather than thinking of one paisa more tax on education.
Sushama Swaraj knew/knows it, so did/does Uma. That exactly is the reason they do not want outsiders to meddle. You or Sonia.
You sir are so much popular with chowk, you will get away with this and much much more snafus.
Asking you a question.
Do you know education is a state issue and taxing it by FEDs will need constitutional changes? And if you open this (I mean constitution for amendmend), why not one man / one woman? Why not... well. Those are not the question. I ask only one
Not expecting any answers.
Who ask question is important not the question.
Long live Italy. Long live Canada.
Yours truely
Yogiraj Patil
#42 Posted by mohar11 on May 20, 2004 11:29:28 am
continued...
nasah
Get off your high horse - your ``india`s shining democracy`` chant is a pretention of the worst kind ..... it`s a big lie. Just like Bjp`s ``india`s shining economy``.
No country will ever shine in anything ... when people keep electing pretenders and phonies with proven track records of inefficiency and incomptence ... where people prostrate and wail and show extreme servility before a politician for no good reason whatsover.
This has been proven .... again and again ... over last 50 years.
The fact that India got a technocrat as a PM is a small consolation. It`s still a back-door entry for a very capable and deserving guy - because capable people like him can hardly aspire to get thru the front door. That speaks volumes about democracy as practiced in india.
nasah
Get off your high horse - your ``india`s shining democracy`` chant is a pretention of the worst kind ..... it`s a big lie. Just like Bjp`s ``india`s shining economy``.
No country will ever shine in anything ... when people keep electing pretenders and phonies with proven track records of inefficiency and incomptence ... where people prostrate and wail and show extreme servility before a politician for no good reason whatsover.
This has been proven .... again and again ... over last 50 years.
The fact that India got a technocrat as a PM is a small consolation. It`s still a back-door entry for a very capable and deserving guy - because capable people like him can hardly aspire to get thru the front door. That speaks volumes about democracy as practiced in india.
#41 Posted by jang on May 20, 2004 11:29:28 am
What about a wholistic energy policy? A growing poor economy like India without a wholistic energy, (and environement/water etc) policy will implode india and possibly the world.
#40 Posted by plats8 on May 20, 2004 11:29:28 am
Arjun_m #34,
``And Amartya Sen`s businesses have created jobs for how many people?
Oh wait...I forgot..He`s a freeloader.``
Amartya Sen a freeloader indeed. Never worked for a thing in his life.
``And Amartya Sen`s businesses have created jobs for how many people?
Oh wait...I forgot..He`s a freeloader.``
Amartya Sen a freeloader indeed. Never worked for a thing in his life.
#39 Posted by mohar11 on May 20, 2004 10:09:06 am
nasah
//..US Electorate -- take note of it -- follow India...//
Yes - follow India - and vote commies and cronies into power .... whose claim to fame after 50 years of rule is distribution of poverty.
So yes - follow India .... soon enough - you will become a great shining democracy , where poor will be well-served by Laloos and communal harmony will be maintained by the window of the guy who once said ``when a big tree falls - the grass gets trampled`` - meaning since his big mama was killed - the sardars must pay for it by getting massacred.
And those lowlives who murdered thousands of sikhs are elected by ``THE MOST ENLIGHTENED -- the MOST TOLERANT -- THE MOST PROGGRESSIVE`` elctorate by a thumping majority.
So Yes - follow India.
What cr@p!
//..US Electorate -- take note of it -- follow India...//
Yes - follow India - and vote commies and cronies into power .... whose claim to fame after 50 years of rule is distribution of poverty.
So yes - follow India .... soon enough - you will become a great shining democracy , where poor will be well-served by Laloos and communal harmony will be maintained by the window of the guy who once said ``when a big tree falls - the grass gets trampled`` - meaning since his big mama was killed - the sardars must pay for it by getting massacred.
And those lowlives who murdered thousands of sikhs are elected by ``THE MOST ENLIGHTENED -- the MOST TOLERANT -- THE MOST PROGGRESSIVE`` elctorate by a thumping majority.
So Yes - follow India.
What cr@p!
#38 Posted by Maharana on May 20, 2004 9:35:57 am
kaurasuch #33,
Had the same thing been written by an indian, he would have been trashed as a right wing hindu fanatic.
kabuliwalah #6,
And this is supposed to be a victory for the secularists.
Adios
Had the same thing been written by an indian, he would have been trashed as a right wing hindu fanatic.
kabuliwalah #6,
And this is supposed to be a victory for the secularists.
Adios
#37 Posted by subroto on May 20, 2004 9:05:42 am
``The following is a proposed agenda for the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government to initiate this process. The agenda deliberately focuses on a few areas so that the government’s energies are not frittered away in chasing too many unrealistic goals.
Before I outline this proposed agenda.....``
Was this a part of the ``The things I will do if I am made the Prime Minister of my country`` essay in school? Or have you been hired as a speechwriter for Dr Singh?
Arrragh...runs away screaming vowing never to return to this web site..........for the time being :-) ..... arragh....
Before I outline this proposed agenda.....``
Was this a part of the ``The things I will do if I am made the Prime Minister of my country`` essay in school? Or have you been hired as a speechwriter for Dr Singh?
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