Luring Muslim Vote

please...articles such as these sure raise my ire...i`m sick and tired of how muslims should be treated and how ``influential`` they are,sic.....why don`t you accept that you or your forefathers are economic migrants either searching for a better standard of living or the desire to be part of the western world and just BE...I live in newyork and pakistanis and bangladeshis are the two communities with the proverbial ``chip`` on their shoulder always telling all and sundry how wonderful their countries are and how devout they are as muslims...Lo and behold , last april the most immigrants deported from the US were from pakistan and bangladesh, both of whom were on the list of 25 countries, deemed a risk by the US govt....India has more citizens who are muslims than any other country in the islamic world , yet india was not on the list of countries deemed a threat by the US...get the point.??...if you`re from pakistan i guess you won`t...listen, britain is a small ,piddling little land and space is gonna be a problem very soon and guess whose asses are gonna get thrown out first???....look me in the eye and answer me...I hope you will take a lesson out of india`s page...By and large, religion in india is where it should be, in the private domain, between me and my god....the state should not interfere in the faith that a citizen chooses to profess nor should a citizen demand that the state support his faith...separation of church and state....the reason why the islamic world is in such a mess is `cause the line between church and state got blurred.Seats indeed??.what next..Buckhingham palace??.ye people sure have balls...i grant ye that

``“Britain is stronger for the major contribution made to it by those of an Islamic faith,” said the Labour leader while describing the UK as a “truly multi-faith, multiracial and multicultural society”.

Now let`s hear something akin to the above paragraph from a Muslim leader of a Muslim country -- about building in his or her OWN country: a “truly multi-faith, multiracial and multicultural society”.

This article is bull because it sounds like a Labor Party pamphlet!!

I am sick and tired of reading fukking Indian elections. Couldn`t people write on anything else for crying out loud? Here is a prediction. Manmohan government is expected to last 15 months no more no less. Now there you have it - the gypsy curse.

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# 3 stuka, you are quite right, this article does sound like a pamphlet from Labour Party.

And #1 niranjan, it is true that Pakistanis and Bengalis were deported etc and that India is not on the list of potential terrorist-harboring countries.

However, India is FAR from practising secular administration. Religion is at the core of personal life as well as businesses in India. It would be foolish to take lessons from India that has failed to handle its internal terrorism and conveniently blamed it on Pakistan and other factions.

It seems that you have been out of touch with the internal affairs of India. Let me give you a refresher.

Are you aware of the atrocities commited to the sikhs after indra was assasinated? Thousands of innocent sikhs were tortured and detained (not to mention killed).

Have you heard of the mass graves and torture cells that have been operated by the indian troops in Jummu?

Have Indian muslims no spine that they allowed the Ayodhia mosque to be razed to the ground, or was that part of becoming secular in india?

Did you hear about the riots in 1992 (dont remember exact date) in Bombay that left thousands of muslims homeless and hundreds dead, while the Bombay police silently watched?

And yes, the more recent one. Gujrat incident?? Ring a bell??

And this is your secular India??? You gotta be kidding.

The lesson we can learn from India is that it harbors many cultures and religions that have very different believes and history of conflict. It cannot manage them fairly. But it certainly knows how to sugar-coat itself for the benefit of the world.

The reason Indian does not come across as a bully or rogue state is due to its superb international diplomacy. Additionally, it has produced men (and women) of distinction that have created a good name for their country. India had long been considered a country of fascination and charm by many naive westerners. Not any more, even though it has support from the media.

Around most campuses in US I visited as a grad student, I was told ``never ever work with a chinese or indian``. What does that tell you?

Many of my American friends who are fond of indian food and clothing have very poor opinions about Indian people in general. Many people who appreciate Indians are the ones who see them from a distance. Again its the Indian diplomacy that comes to rescue. And its easy to give illusions to the spiritually hungry westerners.

We all heard about the great hospitality that the Pakistanis showed to Indians at the cricket matches in Pakistan. Do you think that Indians would ever be so gracious to Pakistanis? Never. Why? Because Indians are too arrogant and malicious by nature.

I am from Indian origin, but I prefer to tell people that I am Canadian. And many Indian muslims I know share similar sentiments esp after gujrat incident.

The only religious minority that enjoys favor in India is christians. Otherwise, its basically a hindu land. Its about time Indian muslims realize that.

If the best the Lib dems have in manchester is Qassim Afzal..I say be afraid..be very afraid!

Personally speaking the Muslim vote will NOT be voting Labour this time, despite admittdely the good the party has done. Politics is not always about give and take, sometimes it`s just raw emotions and the mood amongst the Muslims is very very angry.

#6 by shehryar
//...Do you think that Indians would ever be so gracious to Pakistanis?...//

That will depend on where pakis cross the border. Those who cross LOC will be sent to heaven - to meet the huris and gillmans.

Those pakis who cross at wagah with a visa - they can visit whatever dargah or tomb or madrassa. But in general they will be ignored. There will be NO outpouring of ``hospitality``. Considering the way the world treats pakis these days and terrorism and hate campagn that they have executed against Indians - that`s more than what you could expect.

#6 by shehryar
//...Do you think that Indians would ever be so gracious to Pakistanis?...//

That will depend on where pakis cross the border. Those who cross LOC will be sent to heaven - to meet the huris and gillmans.

Those pakis who cross at wagah with a visa - they can visit whatever dargah or tomb or madrassa. But in general they will be ignored. There will be NO outpouring of ``hospitality``. Considering the way the world treats pakis these days and terrorism and hate campagn that they have executed against Indians - that`s more than what you could expect.

to urstruly...i`m sick of hearing about the indian elections too...governments come and go...anyone remember deve gowda as prime minister of india...why all the brouhaha now...i`m an indian american and this is the first time the american media has given extensive coverage to the indian elections too...

shehryar #6

The reason Indian does not come across as a bully or rogue state is due to its superb international diplomacy.

And why are Pakistanis incapable of `superb international diplomacy?` Is it something to do with birth defects? :)

#6 shehryar...i never said everything is peachy in india and all communities love each other...if you`re of indian origin the tone of your interact would have been different...problems will arise in a multicultural society and fundamentalists of all hues will be prevalent but it is the majority that always prevails...and, the majority in india is by and large peaceful and committed to a democratic,multicltural society...the richest indian today is an indian muslim...i rest my case...the point i was trying to make is that , what has being muslim got to do with worship, residence in an alien land or one`s profession??..why is it so that muslims always have to assert their ``muslimness`` over their ``humanness``..why the proverbial ``chip` on their shoulder, if i may ask??...i`m curious...if almost 200 million muslims can claim India as their motherland and make a mark for themselves in the world stage from ustad vilayat khan,zakir hussain,ismail merchant(of merchant and ivory fame),president dr.apj abdul kalam,cricketeers zaheer khan, irfan pathan and mohammed kaif,actors shah rukh khan,aamir khan,shabana azmi et al..i could go on and on...these are some of the proud indians who have made a mark for themselves in their country regardless of their race, religion or national origin...that`s why india is respested...`cause despite ugly incidents created by a few the majority is secular and ultimately prevails...

You cannot be of indian origin or you wouldn`t belittle your country...i studied in a US campus too and all indians stuck together regardless of which ethnic community we belonged to or language we spoke or religion we professed....

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This is a Labour Manifesto and a lot of Junk...

Labour has done nothing more than the absolute minimum any govt would do for any minority. The photo shoots by the PM and the various ministers are as much a justification for their cruelties around the world as a cover up to show how much they care about muslims whilst they bomb them all over the world. Labour and all its cronies are a bunch of con artists.

RESPECT headed by George Galloway is the only Party that really consider Muslims and their issues and George Galloway has proven this by his actions. He has fought for the Muslims whilst our Muslim MPs and Lords are running up to support the Govt in all their attrocities. Vote for RESPECT, Vote for Galloway..

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Religion and politics are so intensively entangled together in Pakistan that our country is stuck in the rut and is hardly going anywhere when we compare it to India. When we Pakish come abroad, we bring the same religious loaded mentality with us carrying religion on our shoulders wherever we go and pitch in religion in almost every issue we encounter.

Religion is a private mind and soul relationship between an individual and God. Islam is very dear to me; I like to keep it in my heart, I like to worship it in my house, I like to worship in my mosque. I do not like to externalise my Islam because the moment I do so it gets associated with Bin Laden and others which people in the world hate and despise.

Mr Straw said what he said because we wanted to hear what he said, and he said because he wants our votes. Mr Straw could go next door and say exactly the same to Hindus or any other minority community in the country to sway their support. Therefore to dance with glee because of Mr Straw saying so is naivety and I see no wisdom in author writing this article. All he has done has externalised Muslimism and we could see the criticism streaming out from #1 niranjan and others.


However, I agree entirely with #1 niranjan and I am glad that he aired his honest views trying to put some sense into our Pakish heads.

K. Malik