The Abu Ghraib Scandal: Who’s Shame is it?

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#62 by Saminasha on May 25, 2004 9:57am PT

”Are you implying that the US`s mainsteam media provides a comprehensive forum for all of the viewpoints on the war?
When was the last time you saw Gore Vidal, Noam Chomsky, Susan Sontag, the journalists at Al Jazeera on mainstream tv?”

I have been hearing this or things similar to this from so many of terrorist apologist/Leftwing cuckoos that it is not even funny anymore! These people have no understanding and knowledge of how media works and most like have no clear definition of “Main Stream” media.

The media includes all print and electronic media and now Internet has become a major source of news too. In reality all current surveys find that people are relying more and more on Internet for news.

There are more than 10 big news and other channels in the US now along with many regional and big city media outlets so to define mainstream would be a pain in the butt.

The complaint is not against all main stream media channels, the complaint is against the TV/cable channels. As Chomsky, Susan and Gore Vidal are published in major newspapers, and on the Net regularly. Susan Sontag wrote a power full piece which has appeared in Guardian recently. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1223273,00.html.

But no! these fickle brain want her to appear on the TV otherwise the main stream media is not independent.

Cho-tia-msky has appeared in many newspapers and so has Gore Vidal. Gore Vidal is such a huge cultural icon that nobody can dare ignore him. But whenever he appears on the TV, all he is talking about is diehard leftwing propaganda. How much value that has for any TV outlet on a daily basis?

Cho-tia-msky wrote a popular book in the 1960s perhaps. He is just putting out the same book in different wrappers. Who long people are going to listen to the same old crap?

If Cho-tia-msky would like to be heard he can always go to the insane people’s corner in the Hyde park and there will be some to pay attention to him.

This main stream or whatever it is, is located in the US and it caters to people in the US not in the Middle East. It addresses to what the “most” people of the US would like to hear not what fickle brains would like to hear. To these lames, media is not independent, if it does not present their weird theories and these theories represent a microscopic minority.

Now what is media independence? People and Corporations buy media outlets to present their thoughts, viewpoints and to support their side of the story. If you don’t like what they are saying don’t listen to them or read them or do whatever the hell you wanna do. In the US, all you have to do is to be a citizen to start a media channel, why this moaning and bitching crowed, not go out and start their own something if they are not happy with what they hear?

”Are you implying that the US`s mainsteam media provides a comprehensive forum for all of the viewpoints on the war? “

Media is under no obligation to provide a comprehensive forum to all. Freedom of press is no legislation. Freedom of speech is protected and everybody is free to define how much and what form they would like to use.

Stuka

I am flattered but frankly I have no idea how I have manipulated the number of Iraqis murdered by Americans. The news source that I have put a link to is white man`s own news source. White man`s news media tell everyday that 30-40 Iraqi are being killed daily. Don`t you listen to CNN. In Falluja alone, according to CNN, 700+ Iraqis were masacared in last month alone.

Honestly, I think white man`s media is telling white lies again as it always has. I think the number of Iraqis masacarred by Americans is at least four fold of the AP figures.

Malik:

Urstruly has cleverly used percentages and limited parameters. One can take a city block in the Brnx and say that US is worse then Rwanda. I am not a fool, please do not take me for one.

I am having serious doubts on your claim to be American. If you are truly an American, the Patriot act seems to make so much more sense.

Harish,

Are you implying that the US`s mainsteam media provides a comprehensive forum for all of the viewpoints on the war?

When was the last time you saw Gore Vidal, Noam Chomsky, Susan Sontag, the journalists at Al Jazeera on mainstream tv?

god there`s so much anger and frustation among some of the people who come on chowk that they cant resist turning everything into a pakistan-india thing --

#51 by Saminasha on May 25, 2004 5:17am PT

Even though as you say everyone knows the answer, let me spell it out once more for you.

It is the A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N-S. It doesn`t matter if they are Indian-Americans or Paki-Americans.

While I do agree Americans by and large defended the invasion, there are many who opposed it. I`m not saying America doesn`t have it`s share of warmongers, but that there are others who think quite the opposite.

And that`s the beauty of multi-racial and multi-ethnic societies like America. Even though I`d like to think I`m the harshest critic of the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib (and the invasion too), equally, I appreciate the fact that there are concerned Americans who blew the lid off the whole sordid episode. And that is something every American can be genuinely proud of.

Here, I have a question. What is it that makes societies like America? Could it be something to do with democracy where alternative POVs are accommodated and anyone who has dissenting views can air them without fear of retribution as is common in most dictatorships/Islamic states?

I`d like to hear your take on that.

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Stuka # 40 - You doubted my claim that Americans are doing far worse than Saddam. I was looking for the stats that came out the other day in AP News. Thankfuly, Urstruly has posted them in his post # 53. Please read them. It indeed is an eye opener. And interestingly, you will notice that these news are not from terrornews.com or any such source.

This american lie, repeated by the whores amongst us, that Iraqis are ``better off`` without Saddam is laughable if it were not so tragic.

By the way, did anyone notice that during last night`s speech, Mr. Bush stumbled several times on the word ``Abu Ghraib ? He called Abu Ghbor, Abu Ghrom a couple of times.

Now, here is a man who supposedly has apologized for the torture that occured in that prison and he can`t even pronounce it. I can bet you that he will NEVER mispronounce ``Aushwitz`` concentration camp. His handlers and advisors will make sure of that.

I agree with Urstruly..


After all Berg was wearing a dress like the one they prisnors at Guntama Bay

wear...

Anjum Niaz paints a full picture of abuse in DAWN MAGAZINE at:


http://www.dawn.com/weekly/dmag/dmag3.htm

AN EYE OPENER:

During one year of Iraqi occupation the number of Iraqis who fell victim to American Democracy is approx. 5,558. And that number is just for three provinces.

During Saddam Rule in 2002 the average homicide rate per month in Baghdad= 14

After Americans Democratization of Iraq the average Iraqis murdered in Baghdad by Americans = 357


Associated Press:

http://www.napanews.com/templates/index.cfm?template=story_full&id=ECC45ED7-5F88-45B5-B7E8-4B63ADABBAD6

If Iraqis can fake the wedding video as Americans allege then by the same token why can`t Americans fake the beheading video; after all it is Americans who have been lying all along on every matter.